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Topic: 410s going to 16" d20 ASCS Hoosier tIre?
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October 10, 2012 at
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Sounds like Knoxville might be considering going to the ASCS tire.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 10, 2012 at
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They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 10, 2012 at
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"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 03:42:46 PM
"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
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I agree and take out 10% of the wings and side panels. It would negate the need for more HP and put more emphasis on the driver. That being said, I don't want to go back to non wing racing.
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 03:42:46 PM
"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
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Jeff has always been known for saying exactly what he thinks. He's not wrong either. I'd love to see smaller and harder tires. I'd like for a tire to be competitive more than 1 or 2 nights too. That would save the local racers a ton of money. I'd also like to take our chances with setup and driving rather than hammer down motor deals. Maybe it'd mean less rubber down tracks too. Stock cars do it, why can't sprints?
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: budz76 on October 10 2012 at 04:11:12 PM
I agree and take out 10% of the wings and side panels. It would negate the need for more HP and put more emphasis on the driver. That being said, I don't want to go back to non wing racing.
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Just take the wings off.
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October 10, 2012 at
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One problem to being able to run a tire more than one night, is the cost of the tire will go up. They have to recoup cost from lost sales. In the end it won't save anyone money
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October 10, 2012 at
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the imca /ump style mods basically have no cubic inch limit because more horsepower can simply can not hook up with the small tires they run . unless the track is a half mile or longer a 377 / 383 will run with a 406 or or 434 small block . on the big tracks with the long straights the bigger motors have the advantage but on a 3/8th mile ....not so much
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October 10, 2012 at
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Removing the wings will never happen. USAC is there if that is your choice. Making the wings smaller and removing panels isnt the answer either. It is the tire. Smaller and or a harder tire equals less hook up and less rubber down tracks. Its an equalizer to the deep pocket engine owners. As an owner and driver I am bored with the front row local, and WoO races. Sure there are some races you see passing but many are just 100 mph parades until lap traffic becomes involved. The post above is correct. The mods all compete no matter how much money you have in your racing budget. Brings the set up and driver back into the results.
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 03:42:46 PM
"I didn't see a big problem when we had to put on the 16" (wide right rear tire) for the ASCS show. I think 16" is a move in the right direction, but it plain and simply is not enough. The tire companies will probably freak out on this, but I believe we need to cut the left rear width back to around 12" to help take some of the drive out of the car. Less tire, less power needed." - Jeff Swindell
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Most racers hate to slow down, they want to go. I would rather see 410 start with injector stack restrictures, that does not cost much. A harder right rear. Changes cost money, if you go to a smaller wing, you may have 5 obsolite wings at home. If you go to a narrower tires, and you have rims of 15 inch, 17 inch and 18 inch. Rims are about $450 each. On rules I would sort of go slow with just 1 change ever 1-2 years.
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Posted By: linbob on October 10 2012 at 05:43:25 PM
Most racers hate to slow down, they want to go. I would rather see 410 start with injector stack restrictures, that does not cost much. A harder right rear. Changes cost money, if you go to a smaller wing, you may have 5 obsolite wings at home. If you go to a narrower tires, and you have rims of 15 inch, 17 inch and 18 inch. Rims are about $450 each. On rules I would sort of go slow with just 1 change ever 1-2 years.
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Wheel halves are $115.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: dollansky_7_fan on October 10 2012 at 04:47:38 PM
One problem to being able to run a tire more than one night, is the cost of the tire will go up. They have to recoup cost from lost sales. In the end it won't save anyone money
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Dirt late model driver Brian Birkhofer won 5 - $10,000 to win races with the same rt rear tire a couple years back. I bet that tire didn't cost 5 times what a softer tire that would be bald after one race cost.
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October 10, 2012 at
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Think how cheap xxx could make Wheel halves.
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: brettco on October 10 2012 at 08:54:11 PM
Think how cheap xxx could make Wheel halves.
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Make sure to use Chinese hardware to bolt them together when you go to Eldora.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: oswald on October 10 2012 at 04:41:02 PM
Just take the wings off.
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If that's what you want to see, just go to a wingless show.
Jeff Swindell knows what he is talking about.
The wings for all purposes have not changed much in 25 yrs. The tires are what has changed. Its time to turn the clock back on the tires.
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 10 2012 at 06:51:51 PM
Wheel halves are $115.
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I'm a low budget racer with 3 left rears and 2 right rears. Are you gonna give me $600 to buy new wheel halves?
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Posted By: Pimpmobile38 on October 10 2012 at 11:09:25 PM
I'm a low budget racer with 3 left rears and 2 right rears. Are you gonna give me $600 to buy new wheel halves?
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How often do you currently put new tires on the car?
How much do they cost? L rear? R rear?
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October 10, 2012 at
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The only one who really should be fighting this tire deal is poor Schatz. It took him three years to figure out the Goodyears. Can you imagine how long it will take him to figure out a hard 16" tire...lol? He might as well just retire. Great time to be Posse.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 10, 2012 at
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Posted By: Pimpmobile38 on October 10 2012 at 11:09:25 PM
I'm a low budget racer with 3 left rears and 2 right rears. Are you gonna give me $600 to buy new wheel halves?
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At least they got smart and made it a 5 year deal instead of 3 this time.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: dollansky_7_fan on October 10 2012 at 04:47:38 PM
One problem to being able to run a tire more than one night, is the cost of the tire will go up. They have to recoup cost from lost sales. In the end it won't save anyone money
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If we had a tire that would work for 3 nights do you think it would cost $750? As stated above some late model guys get several nights out of one and I don't think they cost that much. I think multiple night tires would save us all money in the long run. Now if the outlaw guys are going to put on a new tire every time they hit the track then yes it might cost them a little more. But 90% of the sprint cars in the country aren't unlimited budget outlaws. Most are low budget local guys. I'm not worried about what it costs the outlaws. I'm worried about what it costs local guys like us.
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