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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 11 2012 at 09:01:09 PM
Clearly you don't even know what wheel offset is, or how it affects the handling of the car. It's not how offset the wheel is in relation to the frame. That is wheel "spacing". It is how offset the tire is in relation to the hub, and will determine how much the tire rolls under the wheel during cornering.
Perhaps you should get truly "involved" in the sport in the capacity of a driver or team so that you have an understanding of the sport ... and "then" you can comment intelligently. It's a way different world in the pits than in the bleachers.
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I've been racing 30 years. 15" from the center of the tire to the RR torsion arm handles exactly the same whether you do it with a 6 off wheel and 3" of spacers or a 5 off wheel and a 2" spacer. 15" is 15". They teach you that in 3rd grade. Common sense doesn't lie. Neither does a set of scales. Wake up already. You must be a xXx joker.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 11, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 11:21:50 PM
I've been racing 30 years. 15" from the center of the tire to the RR torsion arm handles exactly the same whether you do it with a 6 off wheel and 3" of spacers or a 5 off wheel and a 2" spacer. 15" is 15". They teach you that in 3rd grade. Common sense doesn't lie. Neither does a set of scales. Wake up already. You must be a xXx joker.
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Clearly wheel manufactures must be stupid for making different offset wheels when you can just buy axle spacers
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 11:21:50 PM
I've been racing 30 years. 15" from the center of the tire to the RR torsion arm handles exactly the same whether you do it with a 6 off wheel and 3" of spacers or a 5 off wheel and a 2" spacer. 15" is 15". They teach you that in 3rd grade. Common sense doesn't lie. Neither does a set of scales. Wake up already. You must be a xXx joker.
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Probably one of the most completely incorrect statements I've ever seen on this board. I don't think it's possible for me to make you look any less knowledgeable about Sprint Car racing than you do yourself. Thanks for the laugh.
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October 12, 2012 at
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Do you guys feel like this guy is maybe just an act? No one can possibly be this ignorant and stupid... I think he's f*ckin' with all of us....
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 12 2012 at 12:40:15 AM
Probably one of the most completely incorrect statements I've ever seen on this board. I don't think it's possible for me to make you look any less knowledgeable about Sprint Car racing than you do yourself. Thanks for the laugh.
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You're an idiot if you have enough spline left to tuck the RR in and you dismount a 6 off wheel and mount up a 7 off instead of just pulling a spacer out. Scales don't lie.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: comeon38 on October 11 2012 at 08:50:34 PM
if you have a right rear wheel with the wheel center (or hub if you dont know what a wheel center is) all the way on the outside edge of the wheel it will put more weight on the outside edge of the tire thus flexing the side wall of the tire more than if you had a 0 offset wheel. so yes offset does change the way the tire works moron
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You're completely wrong. Scales don't lie.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 12 2012 at 12:40:15 AM
Probably one of the most completely incorrect statements I've ever seen on this board. I don't think it's possible for me to make you look any less knowledgeable about Sprint Car racing than you do yourself. Thanks for the laugh.
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Unless the wheel itself is flexing I don't see how Cubic is wrong.
Physics says he's right.
As for why a wheel manufacture would make different wheels, they'd build anything somebody would buy.
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: kooks on October 12 2012 at 07:59:50 AM
Unless the wheel itself is flexing I don't see how Cubic is wrong.
Physics says he's right.
As for why a wheel manufacture would make different wheels, they'd build anything somebody would buy.
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The wheel is flexing, the tire is flexing, the axle is flexing, everything on these cars is flexing.
Wheel offsets do make a difference. You can scale the car all you want but when you lean that RR on the cushion with a winged car going 100+ the position of the wheel center in reference to the tire is going to make a huge difference, no matter what the scales say.
These are dynamic racecars not static. You are looking at this from a static point of view instead of dynamic.
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October 12, 2012 at
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http://darynpittman.com/home.html
For a good example of what Pimpmobile38 is referring to, I have posted the above link to Daryn Pittman's website. Please take a look at the Selinsgrove in-car camera video. That is not all just tire flex. That is the wheel flex as well.
Wheel offset does affect how the tire is loaded and how the car handles. We have tested this and my driver can feel the difference.
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October 12, 2012 at
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: Pimpmobile38 on October 12 2012 at 08:21:56 AM
The wheel is flexing, the tire is flexing, the axle is flexing, everything on these cars is flexing.
Wheel offsets do make a difference. You can scale the car all you want but when you lean that RR on the cushion with a winged car going 100+ the position of the wheel center in reference to the tire is going to make a huge difference, no matter what the scales say.
These are dynamic racecars not static. You are looking at this from a static point of view instead of dynamic.
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How long do wheels last before needing to be replaced?
Assuming it is not involved in a wreck of any sort or tire failure.
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: Pimpmobile38 on October 12 2012 at 08:21:56 AM
The wheel is flexing, the tire is flexing, the axle is flexing, everything on these cars is flexing.
Wheel offsets do make a difference. You can scale the car all you want but when you lean that RR on the cushion with a winged car going 100+ the position of the wheel center in reference to the tire is going to make a huge difference, no matter what the scales say.
These are dynamic racecars not static. You are looking at this from a static point of view instead of dynamic.
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Finally a good argument, the rest of these clowns have been talking statically however. They are trying to say if the wheel center is more towards the outside of the wheel the weight itself is more towards the outside of the wheel.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: RunninE on October 12 2012 at 08:33:53 AM
http://darynpittman.com/home.html
For a good example of what Pimpmobile38 is referring to, I have posted the above link to Daryn Pittman's website. Please take a look at the Selinsgrove in-car camera video. That is not all just tire flex. That is the wheel flex as well.
Wheel offset does affect how the tire is loaded and how the car handles. We have tested this and my driver can feel the difference.
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Wheel and axle flex are negligible even in the Pittman video. The camera is mounted to the car which rolls to the left when it goes in the corner, not the other way around, and the tire is rolling under the wheel and moving all around. I'll grant you it's a very good optical illusion. If a wheel moved around like you think, it would break in 30 races like axles. And axles don’t move around like you think either, or people would run 3 off wheels in time trials instead of just spacing the wheel way out on the axle.
Wheels are one of the few things left on a race car that a lot of people still run for years. That’s one of the reasons I know 1 or 2” of wheel offset doesn’t make a difference. I see 358 teams with mismatched 10 year old flea market wheels having to change wheel spacers every time they bolt on a wheel all the time. Every wheel they own is a different offset from the next. None of them can tell a difference and a lot of them are winning races. 1 or 2” of offset is not going to bend a wheel.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 12, 2012 at
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Another example of wheel and hub flex to look for when waking through the pits next time is at the left front brake caliper. Scoring marks on the face of the caliper are the result of the hub flexing under load and the wheel studs gnawing on it.
Take a look inside a torque tube sometime. If you see some shiny marks halfway down it is the result of the driveshaft whipping around inside.
There are alot of things on a sprint car that are moving around a significant amount.
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October 12, 2012 at
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October 12, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 12 2012 at 02:16:52 AM
You're an idiot if you have enough spline left to tuck the RR in and you dismount a 6 off wheel and mount up a 7 off instead of just pulling a spacer out. Scales don't lie.
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This is from an article authored by Wade Huisman, owner of Keizer racing wheels.
Offset is the second factor which changes how your car can react. It is a pretty simple and straight forward concept. Again, in changing offsets you are changing the load point on the wheel. This can be easily seen through your tire wear. The fastest 600cc racers I know pay close attention to tire wear as it is an indicator to your load points. Assuming wheel width and position stay the same, the deeper offset or inner half, the tighter the chassis will act. This is done by moving the load point to the outside of the RR wheel. Likewise, the smaller the offset or inner wheel half, the looser the chassis will be. This is done by moving the load point to the inside of the RR wheel and not allowing for side bite. Here again, a deep inner half will create tire wear on the outside of the tire. A shallow inner half will create tire wear on the inside of the tire.
I guess everyone reading this thread can choose to believe one of the industry leading wheel manufacturers, or someone that watches from the bleachers and rants like a child on topics he has zero knowledge of.
Thanks again for the laughs. Nothing is more comical than watching you trying to ineptly prove your "knowledge" of open wheel racing.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 11 2012 at 08:32:56 PM
The narrower wheel you run for a given tire the more the sidewall flexes you moron. It doesn't matter how you offset the whole wheel on the rear axle, whether you simply use a spacer like 99% of people or you put on a whole different offset wheel.
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The wheel center location in the wheel makes ALL the difference in the world. A RR 5 off wheel at 17" out from the frame is TOTALY different as to a 7" off RR at the same 17" out from the frame. and the same goes for the LR . Wheel offset has LOTS to do with the way the car works and how it loads the chassis weight into the tire.
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 12 2012 at 12:50:29 PM
This is from an article authored by Wade Huisman, owner of Keizer racing wheels.
Offset is the second factor which changes how your car can react. It is a pretty simple and straight forward concept. Again, in changing offsets you are changing the load point on the wheel. This can be easily seen through your tire wear. The fastest 600cc racers I know pay close attention to tire wear as it is an indicator to your load points. Assuming wheel width and position stay the same, the deeper offset or inner half, the tighter the chassis will act. This is done by moving the load point to the outside of the RR wheel. Likewise, the smaller the offset or inner wheel half, the looser the chassis will be. This is done by moving the load point to the inside of the RR wheel and not allowing for side bite. Here again, a deep inner half will create tire wear on the outside of the tire. A shallow inner half will create tire wear on the inside of the tire.
I guess everyone reading this thread can choose to believe one of the industry leading wheel manufacturers, or someone that watches from the bleachers and rants like a child on topics he has zero knowledge of.
Thanks again for the laughs. Nothing is more comical than watching you trying to ineptly prove your "knowledge" of open wheel racing.
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Now you done it. Cubic will never respond on this thread again. There is nothing a "keyboard expert" hates more than facts!
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Is anyone selling popcorn? I've run out. 
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Posted By: fasterin3 on October 12 2012 at 12:50:29 PM
This is from an article authored by Wade Huisman, owner of Keizer racing wheels.
Offset is the second factor which changes how your car can react. It is a pretty simple and straight forward concept. Again, in changing offsets you are changing the load point on the wheel. This can be easily seen through your tire wear. The fastest 600cc racers I know pay close attention to tire wear as it is an indicator to your load points. Assuming wheel width and position stay the same, the deeper offset or inner half, the tighter the chassis will act. This is done by moving the load point to the outside of the RR wheel. Likewise, the smaller the offset or inner wheel half, the looser the chassis will be. This is done by moving the load point to the inside of the RR wheel and not allowing for side bite. Here again, a deep inner half will create tire wear on the outside of the tire. A shallow inner half will create tire wear on the inside of the tire.
I guess everyone reading this thread can choose to believe one of the industry leading wheel manufacturers, or someone that watches from the bleachers and rants like a child on topics he has zero knowledge of.
Thanks again for the laughs. Nothing is more comical than watching you trying to ineptly prove your "knowledge" of open wheel racing.
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He SHOULD know what it actually takes to bend a sprint car wheel. He fabricates them everyday. Our balloon tires will bend inches before a wheel will ever bend enough for any driver to be able to notice it. Most wheels are out of round and wobble side to side from brand new (even Keisers) more than they would ever bend under normal racing conditions and most drivers don't even notice that they are bent from new. The reason 99% of people either own 5 off OR 6 off wheels is because it gives them the SPACING adjustment they want throughout the night. That is only reason they buy a particular offset. We used to need more offsets before they started making longer splined axles. Now people can just use spacers. People running used wheels switch back and forth between different offsets all the time and it makes ZERO difference. A 5 off wheel "handles" exactly like a 6 off.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: Pettas on October 12 2012 at 01:12:00 AM
Do you guys feel like this guy is maybe just an act? No one can possibly be this ignorant and stupid... I think he's f*ckin' with all of us....
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Its not an act or stupidity. Its a sickness. Some people need attention so bad they will do what ever it takes to get it. They know that 1 + 1 doesnt equal 3 but if they say it its a guaranteed response. Then they keep it going for a snowball effect. There are about five or so of them on here and I bet most can figure out who they are.
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Posted By: Twenty8 on October 12 2012 at 04:31:25 PM
Its not an act or stupidity. Its a sickness. Some people need attention so bad they will do what ever it takes to get it. They know that 1 + 1 doesnt equal 3 but if they say it its a guaranteed response. Then they keep it going for a snowball effect. There are about five or so of them on here and I bet most can figure out who they are.
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The only sickness is your perversion for communist made "spint" cars. Watch out, a wheel cover might lop your head off when it flies off because someone runs a little more wheel offset and the whole wheel rolls under the car like all you geniuses keep claiming. A wheel won't roll under when the track is wide open, and it certainly doesn't roll under when it is dead slick when the clueless bolt on 7 off wheels for any other reason than they don't have any spacers left to take out.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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