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September 23, 2011 at
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All this great talk about engines, and trivia, made me think we needed to combine both in a quiz
For over thirty years the offy motor dominated sprint car racing.
1 Name the first driver to win a USAC Sprint Car title driving a Chevy, and the year?
2 Name the first driver to win a IMCA Sprint Car title with a Chevy, and the year?
3 The block that Chet Wilson used in his first Chevy Sprint Car came from what
passenger car?
4 In the late 1960's what engine replaced the Offy as the most dominant engine in Midget racing?
5 In 1973, what engine would debut in midget racing, to later become the most dominate
midget engine of the 1970's?
6 Name the man who owned the first car to race with this motor, and his driver?
Hint (They won a USAC Midget race at 81 Speedway in 1973 and 74.)
7 Who was the first driver to race Chet and Jerry Wilson's V4 Midget engine?
8 The "Belle of Belleville" raced and won races in the 1950's with what
motor, against the vaunted Offies?
9 The Ranger motor, the only engine to win against the Offies in IMCA in
1955, (before the Chevy Motor came along in 1956), Was developed orginally for what purpose.?
10 What owner and driver won the last WOO title with a Ford Motor?
11 What was the name of AJ Foyt's racing engines that he ran with in the 1960's and 1970's
in Indy cars and Dirt Cars.?
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Posted By: racee14 on September 23 2011 at 05:35:53 PM
All this great talk about engines, and trivia, made me think we needed to combine both in a quiz
For over thirty years the offy motor dominated sprint car racing.
1 Name the first driver to win a USAC Sprint Car title driving a Chevy, and the year?
2 Name the first driver to win a IMCA Sprint Car title with a Chevy, and the year?
3 The block that Chet Wilson used in his first Chevy Sprint Car came from what
passenger car?
4 In the late 1960's what engine replaced the Offy as the most dominant engine in Midget racing?
5 In 1973, what engine would debut in midget racing, to later become the most dominate
midget engine of the 1970's?
6 Name the man who owned the first car to race with this motor, and his driver?
Hint (They won a USAC Midget race at 81 Speedway in 1973 and 74.)
7 Who was the first driver to race Chet and Jerry Wilson's V4 Midget engine?
8 The "Belle of Belleville" raced and won races in the 1950's with what
motor, against the vaunted Offies?
9 The Ranger motor, the only engine to win against the Offies in IMCA in
1955, (before the Chevy Motor came along in 1956), Was developed orginally for what purpose.?
10 What owner and driver won the last WOO title with a Ford Motor?
11 What was the name of AJ Foyt's racing engines that he ran with in the 1960's and 1970's
in Indy cars and Dirt Cars.?
Ray C
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I will take a wild guess at a few
Chet Wilson got the first Chevy engine from a Corvette
The VW was the dominant midget engine in the 70s
Chet's first driver was either Frankie Lies or Walt Mcwhorter
Dave Blaney driving the Casey Luna Ford was the last WoO Ford Champ
AJ bought the 4 cam V-8 from Ford, were they called Foyt/Fords?
Ray
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What was the name of AJ Foyt's racing engines that he ran with in the 1960's and 1970's
in Indy cars and Dirt Cars.?
Coyote
That is a lot of questions for our old minds to comprehend in one reading, LOL
Warren Vincent
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 23 2011 at 06:28:47 PM
I will take a wild guess at a few
Chet Wilson got the first Chevy engine from a Corvette
The VW was the dominant midget engine in the 70s
Chet's first driver was either Frankie Lies or Walt Mcwhorter
Dave Blaney driving the Casey Luna Ford was the last WoO Ford Champ
AJ bought the 4 cam V-8 from Ford, were they called Foyt/Fords?
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Bkrc you did well on the ones you answered.
Chet Wilson did use the Chevy Corvette block for the Chevy Sprint Car Engine
that he first raced in 1956, with Walt McWhorter behind the wheel. They won the UMCA
title (Jack Merrick), and won the first major race for a Chevy at Belleville, KS in
a IMCA race.
The VW was the dominate midget racing engine of the 1970's. Will see if anybody
remembers who raced and won with it first in 1973. The Owner was from the
family that won 2 USAC midget titles that decade. The driver later won the
USAC dirt car title, and the CRA title.
Chet's first driver was Frankie Lies in his sprint car in 1953, when it used a Ford V8-
60 motor. But he wasn't the first driver to race with Chet's midget engine the V-4
in 1974.
Before Dave Blaney went to Nascar he did win the 1995 WOO title for Casey Luna
in his Ford Powered Sprinter. (You guys might remember that Sammy Swindell
was driving NASCAR Trucks, and Steve KInser started the year driving in the
Nascar Sprint Cup series before both drivers returned to the WOO during the 1995
season).
Yes, AJ Foyt bought, and then made some changes to the Ford motor, and later
changed the name to FOYT, his chassis design was called the COYOTE,
and when he won his fourth 500 in 1977, they called the car the Foyt Coyote.
No answers yet for some of the other questions, hints
The first driver to race the V4 Midget engine was a multi time NCRA Champ.
The first driver to win a USAC title in Sprint Cars with a Chevy, also won the Indy 500.
and won a IMCA race in Hutch, before crashing his car at Muskogee, Pete Forshee
helped fix his car in Wichita before he returning to Hutch, where he got beat by Dale Reed.
(Harold Leep won the Muskogee race I believe.)
The driver that won the first IMCA title for Chevy, was known as one of the original outlaws,
and hails from the great state of Texas, Waco Texas to be exact.
The Ranger motor was developed by the Ranger Company for a use other than in
cars.
The racing motor used by the Goodrichs in the "Belle of Belleville" wasn't a fat head
motor it was a................. For you guys from Oklahoma, the "Belle of Belleville"
in the 1960's won at OKC in 1960 with Jerry Shumaker, in 1964 with Dale Reed,
and in the team car, Clara's car in 1967 with same guy that won the first IMCA title
in a Chevy. (By the 1960's the Goodrich's had changed from the motor that
brought them so much success in the 50's with track roadsters and sprints,
to the Chevy like everyone else).
Ray C
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on September 23 2011 at 10:53:01 PM
What was the name of AJ Foyt's racing engines that he ran with in the 1960's and 1970's
in Indy cars and Dirt Cars.?
Coyote
That is a lot of questions for our old minds to comprehend in one reading, LOL
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Warren,
You guys are to good with the easy questions, thought I would turn it up a little.
Remember the Coyote logo? It was one of the coolest ones in racing.
Ray C
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Posted By: racee14 on September 24 2011 at 12:04:29 AM
Warren,
You guys are to good with the easy questions, thought I would turn it up a little.
Remember the Coyote logo? It was one of the coolest ones in racing.
Ray C
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I had one on the back of my topper back glass on my 67 Chevy pick-up. They were made by Lowen Sign Company in Hutchinson, KS. Some I got were rejects but you really had to look to see the defect. At one time all of AJ's decals were made in Hutchinson.
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Posted By: racee14 on September 24 2011 at 12:01:33 AM
Bkrc you did well on the ones you answered.
Chet Wilson did use the Chevy Corvette block for the Chevy Sprint Car Engine
that he first raced in 1956, with Walt McWhorter behind the wheel. They won the UMCA
title (Jack Merrick), and won the first major race for a Chevy at Belleville, KS in
a IMCA race.
The VW was the dominate midget racing engine of the 1970's. Will see if anybody
remembers who raced and won with it first in 1973. The Owner was from the
family that won 2 USAC midget titles that decade. The driver later won the
USAC dirt car title, and the CRA title.
Chet's first driver was Frankie Lies in his sprint car in 1953, when it used a Ford V8-
60 motor. But he wasn't the first driver to race with Chet's midget engine the V-4
in 1974.
Before Dave Blaney went to Nascar he did win the 1995 WOO title for Casey Luna
in his Ford Powered Sprinter. (You guys might remember that Sammy Swindell
was driving NASCAR Trucks, and Steve KInser started the year driving in the
Nascar Sprint Cup series before both drivers returned to the WOO during the 1995
season).
Yes, AJ Foyt bought, and then made some changes to the Ford motor, and later
changed the name to FOYT, his chassis design was called the COYOTE,
and when he won his fourth 500 in 1977, they called the car the Foyt Coyote.
No answers yet for some of the other questions, hints
The first driver to race the V4 Midget engine was a multi time NCRA Champ.
The first driver to win a USAC title in Sprint Cars with a Chevy, also won the Indy 500.
and won a IMCA race in Hutch, before crashing his car at Muskogee, Pete Forshee
helped fix his car in Wichita before he returning to Hutch, where he got beat by Dale Reed.
(Harold Leep won the Muskogee race I believe.)
The driver that won the first IMCA title for Chevy, was known as one of the original outlaws,
and hails from the great state of Texas, Waco Texas to be exact.
The Ranger motor was developed by the Ranger Company for a use other than in
cars.
The racing motor used by the Goodrichs in the "Belle of Belleville" wasn't a fat head
motor it was a................. For you guys from Oklahoma, the "Belle of Belleville"
in the 1960's won at OKC in 1960 with Jerry Shumaker, in 1964 with Dale Reed,
and in the team car, Clara's car in 1967 with same guy that won the first IMCA title
in a Chevy. (By the 1960's the Goodrich's had changed from the motor that
brought them so much success in the 50's with track roadsters and sprints,
to the Chevy like everyone else).
Ray C
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The first V-4 midget could only be the great Harold Leep
I think the first Chevy USAC champ was Parnelli Jones
Ray
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 24 2011 at 08:11:09 AM
The first V-4 midget could only be the great Harold Leep
I think the first Chevy USAC champ was Parnelli Jones
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Bkrc,
Your right again, Parnelli Jones won the first USAC Sprint Car title in 1960
with a Chevy, winning the midwest title. The next year he won the first national
championship for USAC Sprint Cars in 1961 when they combined the East and Midwest Titles
together. He raced in IMCA in 1959, and thats when he came back and raced all across the
heartland in his Fike Plumbing Sprinter. Parnelli would late win the Indy 500 in
1963, and almost win in 1967 in the STP Turbine. Both of his sons raced in the Chili
Bowl, and his son Page won the Belleville Midget Nationals in 1993.
The driver that raced the first V-4, raced for Lloyd Stephens in the OFIXCO Super
Modified.
Ray C
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Posted By: racee14 on September 24 2011 at 01:09:41 PM
Bkrc,
Your right again, Parnelli Jones won the first USAC Sprint Car title in 1960
with a Chevy, winning the midwest title. The next year he won the first national
championship for USAC Sprint Cars in 1961 when they combined the East and Midwest Titles
together. He raced in IMCA in 1959, and thats when he came back and raced all across the
heartland in his Fike Plumbing Sprinter. Parnelli would late win the Indy 500 in
1963, and almost win in 1967 in the STP Turbine. Both of his sons raced in the Chili
Bowl, and his son Page won the Belleville Midget Nationals in 1993.
The driver that raced the first V-4, raced for Lloyd Stephens in the OFIXCO Super
Modified.
Ray C
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It has to be Jerry Stone in the Jelly midget, they won a USAC indoor race at the Seattle Kingdome in January or February of 1977. I still have the speed sport with their picture of that win in the garage
Ray
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Driver that won the first Chevy title for IMCA Sprint Cars ,,could that be Gordon Wooley,,maybe 1963 i dont think it was 62..
Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed
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Driver that won the first Chevy title for IMCA Sprint Cars ,,could that be Gordon Wooley,,maybe 1963 i dont think it was 62..
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Yes,
It was Gordon Woolley in 1963, Johnny White won the last IMCA title for the Offies
in 1962 driving for Dizz Wilson. In 1963 Gordon won races in three different Chevy Sprint
Cars on his way to the IMCA title. Gordon won in Chet Wilson's Offy Killer, the Calvin/Young
Sprinter, and the Weinberger Mobile Homes car.
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 24 2011 at 01:27:20 PM
It has to be Jerry Stone in the Jelly midget, they won a USAC indoor race at the Seattle Kingdome in January or February of 1977. I still have the speed sport with their picture of that win in the garage
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Yes,
It was Jerry Stone that first raced the V4 engine in his midget in 1974 in USAC .
He best finish would be a third place run at 81 Speedway that year in a USAC race.
In 1975 they took Stoney's Pony to the Indy Speedrome, where they finished in second place
in a USAC race. During the 1976 season Stoney's midget owned by his father Melvin was destroyed
in a wreck at Belleville.
For the 1977 season a brand new chassis was built for the V4 by Jelly Wilhelm.
They travelled to the Seattle Kingdom in March where Stoney would win won of the biggest
races of his career taking the 100 lap USAC feature over the best midget drivers of the day,
including, Mel Kenyon, Sleepy Tripp, Johnny Parsons, and Gary Bettenhausen.
Stoney told me they won over 2,000 dollars for the win, which was a big pay day in 1977.
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Posted By: racee14 on September 23 2011 at 05:35:53 PM
All this great talk about engines, and trivia, made me think we needed to combine both in a quiz
For over thirty years the offy motor dominated sprint car racing.
1 Name the first driver to win a USAC Sprint Car title driving a Chevy, and the year?
2 Name the first driver to win a IMCA Sprint Car title with a Chevy, and the year?
3 The block that Chet Wilson used in his first Chevy Sprint Car came from what
passenger car?
4 In the late 1960's what engine replaced the Offy as the most dominant engine in Midget racing?
5 In 1973, what engine would debut in midget racing, to later become the most dominate
midget engine of the 1970's?
6 Name the man who owned the first car to race with this motor, and his driver?
Hint (They won a USAC Midget race at 81 Speedway in 1973 and 74.)
7 Who was the first driver to race Chet and Jerry Wilson's V4 Midget engine?
8 The "Belle of Belleville" raced and won races in the 1950's with what
motor, against the vaunted Offies?
9 The Ranger motor, the only engine to win against the Offies in IMCA in
1955, (before the Chevy Motor came along in 1956), Was developed orginally for what purpose.?
10 What owner and driver won the last WOO title with a Ford Motor?
11 What was the name of AJ Foyt's racing engines that he ran with in the 1960's and 1970's
in Indy cars and Dirt Cars.?
Ray C
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The answers
1 Parnelli Jones 1960
2 Gordon Woolley 1963
3 Corvette
4 SESCO
5 VW
6 "Red Caruthers" owner, Bobby Olivero driver
7 Jerry Stone
8 Mercury Flathead V8
9 Airplanes, including fighter planes for WW II
10 Casey Luna and Dave Blaney 1995
11 Foyt engine, Coyote chassis, Foyt/Coyote
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#3 What difference would it have made had it been from a Corvette? No difference in performance between an Impalla block and a Corvette block. Blocks are blocks. Heads, cam, induction would be a different story.
#9 God help a pilot flying combat in an "fighter plane from WWII" powered by a Ranger aircraft engine. They were used in PT19 (Primary) Trainers.
#10 Question could have read "only" WoO championship won by a Ford.
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#3 What difference would it have made had it been from a Corvette? No difference in performance between an Impalla block and a Corvette block. Blocks are blocks. Heads, cam, induction would be a different story.
#9 God help a pilot flying combat in an "fighter plane from WWII" powered by a Ranger aircraft engine. They were used in PT19 (Primary) Trainers.
#10 Question could have read "only" WoO championship won by a Ford.
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Yard Fun,
Sounds like your a true engine man. The block question was just for the purpose of
a simple trivia question.
(Here's a paragraph from the new book, coming out in December of 2011)
The Offy Killer
Chet Wilson - The Man Behind The Legend
Written by Chet's daughter Donna, from Chet's son Jerry Wilson's reflections
on their Dad's very first version of his sprint car engine.
" He was able to locate a 265 cubic inch Chevy V-8 block from a 1955 Corvette,
at a local iron yard that had been scrapped by a Chevy dealership. "
Later stating, " He ground one of his special grind cams, over-bored the cylinders
to 272 cubic-inches, and ported & polished the heads. It was then assembled with
Jahns high compression domed racing pistons, three stromberg 97 carburetors,
and Edelbrock intake manifold. Chet fabricated his own headers, and with a Harmon Collins
magneto (salvaged from the Ford 60), and Corvette valve covers, it was ready for the car."
Chet would later win that year (1956) at Belleville, KS in a IMCA, race with Walt McWhorter.
The first major win for the Chevy Engine, that would later lead to the car being
called "The Offy Killer". Of course over time the engine would change as they added
fuel injection among other things.
On the Ranger question, poor choice of words calling it a Fighter plane engine.
The V-770 was used for the Fairchild At - 21 Gunnery School trainer aircraft
from 1941-44, 175 were produced during that time.
Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
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Yard Fun,
Sounds like your a true engine man. The block question was just for the purpose of
a simple trivia question.
(Here's a paragraph from the new book, coming out in December of 2011)
The Offy Killer
Chet Wilson - The Man Behind The Legend
Written by Chet's daughter Donna, from Chet's son Jerry Wilson's reflections
on their Dad's very first version of his sprint car engine.
" He was able to locate a 265 cubic inch Chevy V-8 block from a 1955 Corvette,
at a local iron yard that had been scrapped by a Chevy dealership. "
Later stating, " He ground one of his special grind cams, over-bored the cylinders
to 272 cubic-inches, and ported & polished the heads. It was then assembled with
Jahns high compression domed racing pistons, three stromberg 97 carburetors,
and Edelbrock intake manifold. Chet fabricated his own headers, and with a Harmon Collins
magneto (salvaged from the Ford 60), and Corvette valve covers, it was ready for the car."
Chet would later win that year (1956) at Belleville, KS in a IMCA, race with Walt McWhorter.
The first major win for the Chevy Engine, that would later lead to the car being
called "The Offy Killer". Of course over time the engine would change as they added
fuel injection among other things.
On the Ranger question, poor choice of words calling it a Fighter plane engine.
The V-770 was used for the Fairchild At - 21 Gunnery School trainer aircraft
from 1941-44, 175 were produced during that time.
Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
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Now I'm questioning my memory. Does anyone remember an old "Big Car" out of Tulsa owned by Stone trucking? I saw it under a shed at what was left of that company about 1965 and drooled with desires of a young man. I later learned it used a Chevy 4in. bore X 4in. stroke and had that motor in it when it raced in the late 50s. I knew the block could be wet sleeved, but at the time didn't see how a big crank could fit. Bill Stroud told me he saw that car with "knobbies" throw mud on top of Tulsa's old grandstands lap after lap in a practice run. It had spoked wheels and may have been an old "rail" car converted.
Also another question========= I heard of a Kansas driver Geo. Benny who built a car everyone hated, and eventually was banned here. It supposedly had a Hispano-Suiza radial engine and six wheels. The drive wheels were in the middle of the wheelbase, and on acceleration the rear wheels would contact the track.(not sure of the steering) He would blast down the straight, go deep and jam the brakes changing the rear wheels contact to the front wheels. A standard car wouldn't turn like this, and many wrecks and hot tempers was had. Buster Bachtell built and drove a front drive Ford for 2 years in the 60s until it was banned for similar reasons. I think I saw Benny's name listed earlier in Kansas racing and just wonder if that name triggers a responce.
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Now I'm questioning my memory. Does anyone remember an old "Big Car" out of Tulsa owned by Stone trucking? I saw it under a shed at what was left of that company about 1965 and drooled with desires of a young man. I later learned it used a Chevy 4in. bore X 4in. stroke and had that motor in it when it raced in the late 50s. I knew the block could be wet sleeved, but at the time didn't see how a big crank could fit. Bill Stroud told me he saw that car with "knobbies" throw mud on top of Tulsa's old grandstands lap after lap in a practice run. It had spoked wheels and may have been an old "rail" car converted.
Also another question========= I heard of a Kansas driver Geo. Benny who built a car everyone hated, and eventually was banned here. It supposedly had a Hispano-Suiza radial engine and six wheels. The drive wheels were in the middle of the wheelbase, and on acceleration the rear wheels would contact the track.(not sure of the steering) He would blast down the straight, go deep and jam the brakes changing the rear wheels contact to the front wheels. A standard car wouldn't turn like this, and many wrecks and hot tempers was had. Buster Bachtell built and drove a front drive Ford for 2 years in the 60s until it was banned for similar reasons. I think I saw Benny's name listed earlier in Kansas racing and just wonder if that name triggers a responce.
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I made a delivery to Stone trucking when they were at 51st and Union in west Tulsa behind the Warehouse Market, sometime in the 70s and that old car was in the shop corner. It came out to the old track one time and somebody tried to make a few laps in it. I don't know what happened to the car.
When was it built? It looked old
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I made a delivery to Stone trucking when they were at 51st and Union in west Tulsa behind the Warehouse Market, sometime in the 70s and that old car was in the shop corner. It came out to the old track one time and somebody tried to make a few laps in it. I don't know what happened to the car.
When was it built? It looked old
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That was where I remember it! The hot laps I spoke of were at Tulsa's old track before the grandstands burned. I think that was in 1957 or 58. I'm still amazed if it was the 4 X 4 bore & stroke back then. I've known lots of craftsmen in machining who would be over 100 if still living, so I believe it could happened locally back then.----------- Just an idea, I heard back about the time WoO became a name for rag-tag sprint car races there was a race in OKC and some odd old cars came out to test the waters. I didn't go, but I heard Tommy Vardemann's kid brought out an old old rail car with wire wheels and a cage crudely welded on. I don't think it even made the start of any race, but that might have been that old heap.------------------- My other question on the 6 wheel racer was I think the name was George Benning instead of Benny. My old bud Bill Hays who worked for Perfect Circle knew and liked Geo. Benning knowing him from his days of travelling with PC in sales. I'm pretty sure he had a good run from early 50s and prior to that.
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Posted By: studieman on September 26 2011 at 09:28:21 PM
That was where I remember it! The hot laps I spoke of were at Tulsa's old track before the grandstands burned. I think that was in 1957 or 58. I'm still amazed if it was the 4 X 4 bore & stroke back then. I've known lots of craftsmen in machining who would be over 100 if still living, so I believe it could happened locally back then.----------- Just an idea, I heard back about the time WoO became a name for rag-tag sprint car races there was a race in OKC and some odd old cars came out to test the waters. I didn't go, but I heard Tommy Vardemann's kid brought out an old old rail car with wire wheels and a cage crudely welded on. I don't think it even made the start of any race, but that might have been that old heap.------------------- My other question on the 6 wheel racer was I think the name was George Benning instead of Benny. My old bud Bill Hays who worked for Perfect Circle knew and liked Geo. Benning knowing him from his days of travelling with PC in sales. I'm pretty sure he had a good run from early 50s and prior to that.
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Tommy Vardeman that is a name I have not heard in a long time. I remember the car hot laping and his son doing it but I did not start going to the races until 1968 so it must have been after that. I remember the cage and it did not look like it would do any good and the wire wheels. it looked very crude.
Ray
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 27 2011 at 08:29:52 AM
Tommy Vardeman that is a name I have not heard in a long time. I remember the car hot laping and his son doing it but I did not start going to the races until 1968 so it must have been after that. I remember the cage and it did not look like it would do any good and the wire wheels. it looked very crude.
Ray
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I was thinking about the Stone Trucking car. The cage looked like it had been added on and was made out of angle iron, I think it was painted yellow.
I have some questions about it: When and where did it compete? Who drove it? Wasn't Tommy Vardeman SR good friend of Raymond Cates?
Ray
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