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September 28, 2011 at
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 28 2011 at 10:36:48 AM
I was thinking about the Stone Trucking car. The cage looked like it had been added on and was made out of angle iron, I think it was painted yellow.
I have some questions about it: When and where did it compete? Who drove it? Wasn't Tommy Vardeman SR good friend of Raymond Cates?
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I'm thinking the old car should have been green since the company trucks were dark green. I didn't notice Vardeman having a regular ride after 1963, but he seemed to always get into some ride. He was a "hot head" willing to fight it out on or off track which limited his ride choices I'm sure. He borrowed Angelo's #7 sedan in 1964 and wadded it up at Tulsa, later about 69 or 70 was in Cate's #2 at Muskogee and tore it up pretty bad. That's the last I knew of him driving. I knew he was fearless in midgets, and I actually like the "rough tough" drivers who were always having to make up the difference with guts and driving talent when driving mediocre equipment. Some of those I ranked in that category were Harvey Shane, Vardeman, Bill Dillard, Stan Schoenberg, many more. There were brass balled drivers with this same talent who mostly had top rides, and records to prove their abilities, but I appreciated the long haul, home built and budgeted attempts of those "barnstormers" who gave many fond memories to us all even if they didn't win, some of us recognized the effort and ability.
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September 29, 2011 at
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Posted By: studieman on September 28 2011 at 08:14:15 PM
I'm thinking the old car should have been green since the company trucks were dark green. I didn't notice Vardeman having a regular ride after 1963, but he seemed to always get into some ride. He was a "hot head" willing to fight it out on or off track which limited his ride choices I'm sure. He borrowed Angelo's #7 sedan in 1964 and wadded it up at Tulsa, later about 69 or 70 was in Cate's #2 at Muskogee and tore it up pretty bad. That's the last I knew of him driving. I knew he was fearless in midgets, and I actually like the "rough tough" drivers who were always having to make up the difference with guts and driving talent when driving mediocre equipment. Some of those I ranked in that category were Harvey Shane, Vardeman, Bill Dillard, Stan Schoenberg, many more. There were brass balled drivers with this same talent who mostly had top rides, and records to prove their abilities, but I appreciated the long haul, home built and budgeted attempts of those "barnstormers" who gave many fond memories to us all even if they didn't win, some of us recognized the effort and ability.
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Thats what I remember about Tommy Vardeman, do you remember Garland Shepard, i saw him in a fight in 1968 or 69 and man was he going, I ran into hem several years later a car lot he was the salesman and did not want to talk about his racing career. did the Stone Trucking car have a roll cage on it?
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September 29, 2011 at
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Posted By: Bkcr on September 29 2011 at 10:01:47 AM
Thats what I remember about Tommy Vardeman, do you remember Garland Shepard, i saw him in a fight in 1968 or 69 and man was he going, I ran into hem several years later a car lot he was the salesman and did not want to talk about his racing career. did the Stone Trucking car have a roll cage on it?
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Shepard was Tulsa's Rookie champ in 64 driving a Hudson coupe that dominated on the small track. That was as far as Hudson could go against the overhead valves!
My favorite "scuffle" was I think 68 one Saturday when it rained all afternoon, but with lots of work the track was barely good enough for having a show. Many spin-outs to the bottom left stranded cars stuck and restarts. In one Super heat Jr. Taft and either Pete York or Bob Ballard (sorry I can't remember, and they both didn't take much crap off anybody) lock bumpers going into #1. Taft was in front, with a stalled motor making the back car have to back up in deep mud and go around. As he was wallowing around Taft, his car started and he pulled back in front of the lumbering #2 car locking up again. Seems like one more attempt was made of #2 car to get untangled with Taft having an attitude of "Oh well, so what"! Taft,s car was the narrowed sedan when the first year of chopped bodies was allowed, and he sat in the center with easy access for driver, and in this case angered competitor. #2 driver gets over to Taft and sticks his head wearing a silver open faced Bell into the cockpit and is swinging without much effect. Taft, still belted in grabs the helmet and pushes it away effectively controlling any fist action aimed his way. Pushing the head toward his thigh open another "can O worms" allowing #2 driver to bite Taft in the thigh. I saw him being led back to the pits limping and a bloody leg on his Henchman suit. At his pit his crew pulled his pants down, and Jr. was yelling "SOB bit a chunk out of my leg" and now trying to get him thrown in jail.
I hope someone remembers this, and straightens me out on #2 driver. Either one was capable of that kind of reaction, and I apologize if this hurts someone related to anyone mentioned here. Remember everyone of these old racers were part of what made our favorite memories of our past!!
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September 29, 2011 at
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Posted By: studieman on September 28 2011 at 08:14:15 PM
I'm thinking the old car should have been green since the company trucks were dark green. I didn't notice Vardeman having a regular ride after 1963, but he seemed to always get into some ride. He was a "hot head" willing to fight it out on or off track which limited his ride choices I'm sure. He borrowed Angelo's #7 sedan in 1964 and wadded it up at Tulsa, later about 69 or 70 was in Cate's #2 at Muskogee and tore it up pretty bad. That's the last I knew of him driving. I knew he was fearless in midgets, and I actually like the "rough tough" drivers who were always having to make up the difference with guts and driving talent when driving mediocre equipment. Some of those I ranked in that category were Harvey Shane, Vardeman, Bill Dillard, Stan Schoenberg, many more. There were brass balled drivers with this same talent who mostly had top rides, and records to prove their abilities, but I appreciated the long haul, home built and budgeted attempts of those "barnstormers" who gave many fond memories to us all even if they didn't win, some of us recognized the effort and ability.
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There you go talking about Harvey???? Shane...The fastest race i ever seen Harvey Shane run was when he was trying to KILL Jack Belk,,but he never could catch him to do it,...I think that may have been how Jack Belk got so fast because he knew if Harvey ever caught him he was wreaked.,Harvey said it openly and told Belk he was going to kill him and was very clear about it.,,,,,,,,,,,One night in Topeka Harvey got so mad at Belk he pulled into the infield and stoped on the front straight and waited for Belk,, and then pulled his front end out infront of Belk and fliped him all the way down the front straight ,,Belk was running about 120mph he woke up about an hour later...Being Jack Belks son and seeing this happen i really think it just made Belk even faster..He had no fear in a Race car,,but Harvey got his attention and it made him faster.
One night in the car going home my mom said Jack if Harvey ever catches you you have had it.Jack Belk said Harvey will never catch me ,,the only problem is to pass him on the outside you cant let him know you coming you got to go by FAST..Harvey alway over drove the car,,you could take him in to the corner as fast as you wanted and he would always over drive and run up the track..If you got under him it was easy.The fued between them really never ended just one year Harvey wasnrt around any more..Like on guy he drove for said will you forget about Belk and try to win the Race.Car owners would hide from Harvey if he came into the pits looking for a ride for the night.
Shane and Belk went to fists city one night in the Pits at Joplin, dust flew,,Harvey was walking away with Belk still standing with fist drawed...Harvey didint want no more becuase it was as easy as he figured it would be ....Thats why he went after Belk on the track,,becuase he could not wope him or intimadate him.I really hated that guy..But the fans loved it,,Belk would aways start in the back with Shane ahead somewhere..The crowd would go Woooo,when Belk would go by most of the time him went by in Traffic.
Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot
harder to stay there.
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September 29, 2011 at
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Posted By: redbandana on September 29 2011 at 04:20:55 PM
There you go talking about Harvey???? Shane...The fastest race i ever seen Harvey Shane run was when he was trying to KILL Jack Belk,,but he never could catch him to do it,...I think that may have been how Jack Belk got so fast because he knew if Harvey ever caught him he was wreaked.,Harvey said it openly and told Belk he was going to kill him and was very clear about it.,,,,,,,,,,,One night in Topeka Harvey got so mad at Belk he pulled into the infield and stoped on the front straight and waited for Belk,, and then pulled his front end out infront of Belk and fliped him all the way down the front straight ,,Belk was running about 120mph he woke up about an hour later...Being Jack Belks son and seeing this happen i really think it just made Belk even faster..He had no fear in a Race car,,but Harvey got his attention and it made him faster.
One night in the car going home my mom said Jack if Harvey ever catches you you have had it.Jack Belk said Harvey will never catch me ,,the only problem is to pass him on the outside you cant let him know you coming you got to go by FAST..Harvey alway over drove the car,,you could take him in to the corner as fast as you wanted and he would always over drive and run up the track..If you got under him it was easy.The fued between them really never ended just one year Harvey wasnrt around any more..Like on guy he drove for said will you forget about Belk and try to win the Race.Car owners would hide from Harvey if he came into the pits looking for a ride for the night.
Shane and Belk went to fists city one night in the Pits at Joplin, dust flew,,Harvey was walking away with Belk still standing with fist drawed...Harvey didint want no more becuase it was as easy as he figured it would be ....Thats why he went after Belk on the track,,becuase he could not wope him or intimadate him.I really hated that guy..But the fans loved it,,Belk would aways start in the back with Shane ahead somewhere..The crowd would go Woooo,when Belk would go by most of the time him went by in Traffic.
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Tim, I was aware of Shane being disliked especially in Tulsa. Al Lemmons was the target of Shane's threats, and he made good one night in 1964 near the end of a season Lemmon's was leader in points. It could have killed Lemmons and maybe someone in the stands. It was a proper call to ban him for life! One of my disappointments was never meeting your Dad! I started driving in the big class at 18 in 1971 and had plenty of disappointing attempts at succeeding as a driver. I knew that it wouldn't happen overnight, and I always started in the back to avoid messing up in front of "real drivers" which I've never regretted. One night in Tulsa I lost it in #2 and stalled. When I restarted and got going again I pulled out near the backstretch rail and heard the pack coming hard. I heard a single motor back off which was you Dad in the lead in #88 and he nodded to me as if he was acknowledging me or giving me encouragement. He won that heat, but I was too embarrassed especially that night to say "Hey" to him and apologize. He always seemed like a kind, quiet man with obviously lots of talent and courage. Seems like a week or two later we learned of his fatal accident in Topeka, and as I recall the track announcer had a moment of silence which proved his popularity with the Tulsa crowd.
Another threat made good was in OKC when Leep was having a point race with a Lawton driver A J Little who called Leep out and said if he had to he would wreck him. I wasn't there, but Leep bested him in a turn throwing Little into the marbles and stalling. He got going again and waited for Leep letting him go to the outside enough to push Leep into a stalled car in between #3 & 4 wrecking him severely. There was pictures in the newspaper showing Leep climbing out of the Cate's #2 Chevy with broken arms. I think that was 1970 or 71
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Posted By: studieman on September 29 2011 at 05:32:42 PM
Tim, I was aware of Shane being disliked especially in Tulsa. Al Lemmons was the target of Shane's threats, and he made good one night in 1964 near the end of a season Lemmon's was leader in points. It could have killed Lemmons and maybe someone in the stands. It was a proper call to ban him for life! One of my disappointments was never meeting your Dad! I started driving in the big class at 18 in 1971 and had plenty of disappointing attempts at succeeding as a driver. I knew that it wouldn't happen overnight, and I always started in the back to avoid messing up in front of "real drivers" which I've never regretted. One night in Tulsa I lost it in #2 and stalled. When I restarted and got going again I pulled out near the backstretch rail and heard the pack coming hard. I heard a single motor back off which was you Dad in the lead in #88 and he nodded to me as if he was acknowledging me or giving me encouragement. He won that heat, but I was too embarrassed especially that night to say "Hey" to him and apologize. He always seemed like a kind, quiet man with obviously lots of talent and courage. Seems like a week or two later we learned of his fatal accident in Topeka, and as I recall the track announcer had a moment of silence which proved his popularity with the Tulsa crowd.
Another threat made good was in OKC when Leep was having a point race with a Lawton driver A J Little who called Leep out and said if he had to he would wreck him. I wasn't there, but Leep bested him in a turn throwing Little into the marbles and stalling. He got going again and waited for Leep letting him go to the outside enough to push Leep into a stalled car in between #3 & 4 wrecking him severely. There was pictures in the newspaper showing Leep climbing out of the Cate's #2 Chevy with broken arms. I think that was 1970 or 71
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Best ban they ever did was to get rid of Harvey Shane...I know he traveled around using different names to race at places after he was ban ed from Tulsa...Dad ran into him when he was using a different name a few more times in Arkansas when he drove some one shot deals in the mid 60s,,..
Win as if you are use to it.And lose as if you enjoyed
it for a change.Its hard to get to the top and alot
harder to stay there.
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