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You should start your own sprint car series and rival the Outlaws.  Pay them the same purse, points money, and give them tow/show-up money.   Then, allow them to race wherever they want all season as long as it doesn't interfere with your shows.  Then, you can sit there scratching your head as to why your stands aren't full when your series rolls into town.  Maybe because fans can see those drivers anywhere?   Afterall, your show isn't special anymore.  

Also---great argument comparing them to the All-Stars.  I forgot the All-Star's offer the same amount of money to run as the Outlaws, right?  Oh, nevermind.  

Nascar?  Their stands are 1/3 - 1/2 full at best.  Great comparison.  You're kinda making my point for me.  If I can go see Kyle Larson at Knoxville, why would I pay stupid money to see him at Kansas or Bristol?  If he races all over CA, why would I pay for a ticket at California Speedway?  

And, by the way, I didn't say everyone had to like the rule.  I am just baffled at how many think the WRG is bad at business.  They appear to be brilliant at business.  

So what happens if most or even all of the platinum drivers decide to run all of or at least 9 of the High Limit shows?   And none are eligible for the championship?   I know it won't happen like that but it could if they stuck together. 

How is 2nd an increase of $45k when the 2nd place guy will get $210k this year as opposed to $140k ish last year? Gravel said in the last podcast they made about $40k in bonus money in addition to $100k point fund money. 

I know it's unlikely to happen----doesn't make financial sense to run all WoO races and not be a platinum member----do you have to be a platinum member to accumlate points and win the title?  There are over 300 drivers annually on the WoO points list.  

Funny stuff!!!!    They went from greedy to barely squeaking by!!!!    HAHAHAHA!

You don't have to be a member to accumulate points, but to reap the benefits of those points through the point fund, you need to be a platinum member In good Standing. 

When I started working for the company I work for, I had to sign a non-compete clause and employee agreement. Basically they say that I cannot go work for a competing company until an alotted amount of time, and I also cannot do any private/side type of work with any of our suppliers or subsidaries as it is a conflict of business. That means I cannot have a consulting company on the side using those companies or even asking them to sponsor any of my son's extracurricular activities, or even ask any of those reps to buy candy for a school fundraiser. Its called a conflict of interest.

My company also pays me well, treats me with respect, gives me great benefits, perks, bonuses, allows me a certain amount of freedom to do my work, etc. If I had thought any of those things would not have been possible I could have gone to another company or stayed with my previous. Otherwise, I am satisfied staying with my current and if at anytime I become unsatisfied, I can go to one of the millions of other companies around. Same thing with the Outlaws, if racers feel this deal suits them then they can go race. If not, race allstars or whereever you want no one is holding a gun to their head. But if you decide to race with a group or by yourself you lay in the bed you make and play by whatever rules are layed down. 

Keep in mind, this is a guy who thinks you can't have a big race without the outlaws. Go figure.

A

This has always been worded "not so good"
Anyone with a more clear explanation?

"World of Outlaws drivers or teams will now be able to race four non-World of Outlaws nights without restrictions as long as they are outside of 48 hours or a 100-mile radius on either side of a scheduled event."

The July 13th Million Dollar race is both inside of 48 hours and within a 100 mile radius of Friday's WoO race at Eldora.

So I interpret that as they can not race July 13th period. No?

The High Limit races appear to be scheduled 48 hours after or before from a Woo event therefore they can run up to four of those without penalty. No?

I believe your interpretations are correct.  But I believe all the teams will get freebies from WRG for the Wed/Thur Eldora (where you finish wednesday determines where you start in the heats Thursday for the million to win) and for the Cappy at Knoxville and Front Row Challenge (maybe/maybe not), just a guess, we shall see.  

Why would anyone sign the agreement if it prevented them from racing for a million? Whether those 2 events count towards the 4 exempt races is another story. 

Bobby Davis Jr. wins the title?

I think everyone is igible for the title with the new system 

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Its simple. If someone can see the same teams on a weeknight, close to home, why bother traveling several hours to a WoO race on the weekend?

Duh....

As usual, you don't WANT to "figure it out"...

So the organization:

1.  Has the best drivers

2.  Packs the stands at almost every venue  (even with DV)

3.  In your words---went from a "struggling" organization to what appears to be a very successful organization--judging by what it costs to schedule them at a track

BUT---they're still bad at business?  You are a hoot!

Dont know if this has been said but heres my take on this:  Teams dont have to run the Outlaws.  But when they SIGN the contract and get travel money etc, in that contract it says where they cant run.  To avoid this all they have to do is NOT sign the contract.  Outlaws are a business and most successful businesses look out for their interests.  I have no issue with their stance on this.  Seems some of the teams want the tow money etc but do not want to be told what to do.  Then dont sign.  Simple

You might not agree with how WRG deals with their contacted drivers but the measuring stick for good business vs bad business is whether they're turning a profit.  The Outlaws pack the stands from coast to coast and as far as anyone knows they're making money.  The argument here centers on people's philosophy about Whether they should protect their "brand".  Their product is being able to offer the greatest show on dirt and guarantee that their contracted drivers will show up as advertised which is huge for promoters spending advertising dollars.

David Gravel had Brad Sweet on his YouTube channel and went live last night.  Brad made the counter point that corporate sponsors like NAPA want to see their cars on streaming broadcasts.  That point makes sense and I can understand both sides of this debate.  The way I look at it, I worked for the railroad before retiring and had to belong to a union as a condition of employmen.  My job as a Sprint Car fan is to get the most bang for MY buck and attend/stream the best racing possible.  If my company was in contract negotiations that would give me a raise so I could attend more races nobody at WRG cared about my personal circumstances and how much I made.  My only concern was covering admission, gas, meals and motels.  I understand the concerns on both sides but at the end of the day I am a fan of the entertainment called Sprint Car racing and my ability to follow the sport is my main concern.  I don't own, drive or sponsor a car and I stay in my lane regarding the financials.  My career was in transport accounting and I go to races to have fun.  Worrying about the racers and WRG bottom line would be akin to reliving my accounting career.  

Trust me, the races are a lot more fun when we stay in our own lane and approach ithem as another entertainment option.  Probably after going to races since 1960 and getting older forms my opinions as well.  Aside from the tracks still being dirt and the cars front engine open wheel everything else about racing is different than when I started watching them.  

Stan Meissner

Agree 100%

He was talking about the average fan. 

He was not talking about you:  Super fan, business motivational speaker, CFO, and track prep specialist.  He meant people with average intelligence like myself.   

Sounds like smart people making smart business decisions......................