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Just wondering the viability of either of these 2 being able to open & having the tech infrastructure in place to do a ppv stream & race with no fans.  Could they make enough to at least make it viable?  Those are the 2 that I think would be the most likely to be able to pull it off in the dirt track world.

All or virtually all of their events are streamed & in this event starved time we are living in, the demand may be way higher than normal.  I have Dirtvision & Flo already so would get these events.  I'd be willing to pay a little extra on top to help them cover costs if that were to be an option.

Just curious what the rest of the forum thinks.  I think the top line pro leagues can "exist" as a tv show with no fans.  Of course not as profitably as normal, but still turn a little profit.   

No. I don't see it happening.  

You'd have to agree with the drivers on a cut of the gross. I don't know if anyone would want to post a fixed purse as you'd not have any idea how many people would buy the service and you wouldn't have concessions to offset any of the costs. 
 

That being said, if we still don't have racing by the summer, I'd expect someone would try it. 

Listen to this week's  Winged Nationpodcast and see what you think about what Tmac is trying to do.  

 

Just let me go to the track.... It's my choice if I want to risk it and yours if you want to stay home and not. I'd rather die knowing I lived my life than having lived but hadn't done anything. Results coming back show the flu is still just the flu and it's every bit as deadly (or not as deadly) as it's always been. Contagious? Sure is and I'll get it in due time or I've already had it which is more likely. We're creating a new standard for life and don't get me started on the world's economic problems on the horizon. Shortages at the store, especially at the meat counter, are coming. But you know keep listening to the head of the CDC who is funded by big pharmaceuticals who are drooling to sell you some untested vaccine.

Sorry for the rant. Going a little crazy with cabin fever and supposed to snow 12" and I need to be farming. It's a rough time for all I know.

If scientists, epidemiologists, health experts, etc say that it is best that people continue to do what we are doing, then that is what we do. They have no agenda except for the health & safety of each person in the country. They have said that this is not like the flu, it is something completely different. I don't know what they have to say, do, or show people to prove this but they have nothing to gain by lying about this, plus a lot of other countries had to do basically the same thing so this is no conspiracy. And the CDC is not funded by big Pharmaceutical companies, it is funded by the Office of Management & Budget which advises any sitting President on the Budget, so basically tax payers. And they cannot sale you an untested vaccine as any vaccine has to go through several trials, testing, and FDA approval process. I get people are getting stir crazy but this is not a conspiracy, this is science, and the welfare of more than just a few people that go to a race track.

Back to the original question. Racing at those tracks could be TV only type show but I doubt it will be. That would be setting a precedent in the future for sharing all revenue and I doubt any of the parties wants to do that. Only way it could work is if they get paid by Fox or FS1 or NBC Sports to televise the races and that offsets all the costs & pays the purse. Could happen since I am sure those networks are looking for content to produce and since they are televising Iracing of dirt track races it could lead to something. But if it stays the current way, I doubt it happens as all parties just my write off this year and cut their losses

Thanks for the feedback so far.  Those are the only 2 & maybe Lucas Oil Speedway with their connections to Mav could try something similar.  About only places I could think of in the dirt world.  

Not going to argue which way we should go to control the virus because everyone has made their mind and are sure they are right. I do wonder what the Dr's opinion would be if people have to start paying them with a chicken, a hog, or produce from their garden. And to the original question, no.

Still my right to choose but when it comes down to it really we don't have any rights. Look how fast they went. You do realize scientist can be wrong. Like very wrong. The models have been wrong all along. The estimates of infections and deaths... also wrong. For an intellectual person like yourself who can't have blind faith in God, how can you have blind faith in scientists in the WHO whose number one donor is Bill Gates? Have you read what he has been suggesting lately? You want to sit at home until 2022 until his funded vaccine is ready? By then we have umpteen different bird flu s, virus, h20nwhatever's.... Your a smart guy. So are scientists. Everyone can be wrong. This flu isn't anything different than what has been seen in the past and will be seen again.

You still have rights, no body has taken away your rights but that is based on individual perception. I do not feel any of my rights have been infringed on just because some Doctors who are smarter than anyone on this board have said we should limit our space. This isn't just about you, or me, or people on this board, racing, state, country, its about the whole planet so people need to stop being selfish about crap they don't know anything about and listen to the pros. Scientists never have said that this is or is not anything, they made estimates based on the data & evidence that they had at that time which was limited based on circumstances. Models were wrong because as we found out some countries did not do proper reporting & other factors came into play like testing. Scientists said based on what we know NOW, this is how we feel. When more evidence, data, and research is done then models change. It does not take a rocket scientist to imagine what the numbers would look like if the precautions were not taken. Blind faith in any diety is not going to take care of it, however people that actually have a physical hand in it to say I think this will help and have the answer be yes and if it is no then they rule it out and try something else. Yeah we could have a lot of bird flu things but again this is NOT the flu. Imagine if you have 20,000 people at Eldora for Kings Royal, people traveling from all over. It probably would not be out of the realm of possiblity that say 5-10 people have this and do not know it. They go to the bathroom, concession stand, sit around other spectators, those people do the same thing, who knows how many people get it and then take it back to where they live. With everything that we do know there is not going to be a, "oh hey this really wasn't as bad as we made it out to be, our bad we overdid it," considering this is now global.

I would much rather watch a race on tv at this point until we beat this thing, than have to worry about it in my every day life for the next 50years. But I doubt they will get sprints on tv unless some real outside the box thinking is done. I get that it is inconvientant and not what we want, but there is no agenda, there is no going away in the near future. Here in Ohio we have been under some type of lockdown for about a month & the curve is flattening. It is working, it just takes time and I know it is annoying but it will work out.

Well said.  

Picking off the top my right to assemble has been fully taken away in any form of above 10 people. I am sorry that this virus would haunt you for 50 years. That's a scary worldview to have and not one I share. It's not about being selfish but if some are willing to take the risk why can't they. I didn't say you can't stay home for the next 50. The government is apparently willing to throw whatever money they don't have your way if this is your choice. Newly unemployed people in my neck of the woods have been congregating like crazy. They have nothing to do today, or tomorrow so let's all meet up and have a few drinks. Can't blame them. And yes I'd go to that King Royal race situation you suggest because I am willing to take the risk and am not scared of getting the virus. As stated before, cats out of the bag, nothing will stop the spread except maybe complete starvation of the human race. So give it to me and let's me on.

People who are still trying to compare this to the flu are just uneducated. 

Truth enlighten me... what's the flu?

You do have freedom to assemble but there is nothing that says how many. One thing that many people forget about rights is that they are part of Citizenship, and with Citizenship comes responsibilities as well. Posted those below straight from U.S Citizenship & Immigration site, if you were born here you get both of these automatically. And no I don't have to stay home the next 50years, that was just a scenario and one I don't think any of us would want just on a whim because we cannot keep ourselves entertained. I never asked for the government to send me a check and that is a separate issue completely than the virus, and lets not get into an economics discussion. If people are congregating like crazy in the woods, they are selfish, and stupid, and part of the problem. We all have a responsiblity to make sure that we do not compromise the health & safety of any other human being. Which is why laws are put into place to protect people from other people and themselves so that people do not gather and stop the spread. And yes, the spread can be stopped and the numbers can be reduced. My state has flattened our curve in a matter of weeks, if everyone did the same and had it started when it should have months ago, we may not be in this position or as bad. Racing will be back eventually, until then there is a lot of things people can do to stay entertained, but I wouldn't suggest reading conspiracy theories as too many people seem to be doing that as of late.

I paid $150 plus tax for a year of Floracing so I could follow the IRA, All Stars and USAC.  I recognize that what we're going through was a game changer and they would need additional revenue if no fans are allowed in the stands.  On the other hand I'm retired and sold my wife on getting the service at the listed price.  I'm not sure what the fine print in their agreement says and if they have an out so they can change their end of the agreement after purchase.  I'm not singling out Flo, they're a great service but I purchased what I could afford so if the price point is changed I will have to fold and lick my wounds.

This brings up an interesting question.  Normally racing is a pretty big pie and there is room for a bunch of PPV services that specialize in whatever series and track they enter into a partnership with.  If the PPV race is a WoO race it would be the same situation for Fast Pass subscribers and likewise the other services that partner with other series.  How can they change their price point to cover expenses and charge subscribers additional fees for reduced content (for example one race per month when they promised several each week)?

My wife is not a racing fan and compares the value of racing PPV to the services she is familiar with.  Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc.  That is why she would hit the ceiling if I had to pay additional charges after selling (more like begging) her on my purchase.  The usual arguments about racing would not resonate and she refuses to see why "my little sport way out in the sticks" should be priced higher than premium movie services.

Stan Meissner

I have never purchased a PPV race nor do I intend to. I do see enough complaints about streaming that I would like for someone to tell me which service could handle the volume if enough people purchased a broadcast to make it profitable.

I used to feel that way as PPV was pretty sketchy at first but nowadays most of us have cut the chord and are streaming all of our entertainment.  PPV has gotten pretty good these past few years so if you have decent internet speed I wouldn't hesitate to try it.  I'm pretty thankful for it because my traveling days are pretty much over.  Traveling alone footing the whole bill and the night driving took me out of the race chasing game.

Stan Meissner

Freedom to worship as I wish... hmmm well I can't. Less than 10 people doesn't work for my church so back to square one. My rights have been taken away.

The curve flattened when the number of tests flattened.

I don't need laws to protect me from "myself." Intellects call that Darwin awards or natural selection. Let me do as I wish without harming others.

Nick I'm having fun with you. In person you'd see my responses are well thought out and respectful but also in jest As we view this very differently. But everything I have written I pretty much do believe and stand behind. Right or wrong is to be seen, but please do honestly keep an open mind about things and I will do the same.

I'll end with one of OUR responsibilities: Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others.

Let me say that I totally understand where IADIRT is coming from, and I myself have some skepticism about the WHO, CDC, and some of our medical experts.   I've seen interviews with some leading epidemiologists who say a vaccine is the only answer, and I've seen other interviews with noted epidemiologists who say a vaccine won't even work.   It's hard to know what to believe, which is one of the reasons I've largely quit watching news.

I will say this though, while I have my skepticism I still kind think that maybe we've been doing the right things.   I live in Dallas County, which has a population of roughly 2.6 million people.   As of today we only have about 2,000 cases and about 200 deaths.   Maybe it's about to get worse here, I really don't know.   So far it has not been that bad down here though.  Is it because our leaders had us sheltering in place for the last 3 or 4 weeks?   Is it because gatherings of more than 10 people have been banned, including worship services?   Is it possible that these things have been only a small factor and that we're not hurting as badly because of a warmer climate?   Are maybe all of these things factors?   I don't know any of this for sure, these are things I just wonder about.    I think we'll all be a little happier soon and maybe some things can take steps back towards normal.  Meanwhile, we should really just try and be supportive of each other.   Us arguing and disagreeing isn't going to make this go away any faster.