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Yes you can still worship whatever/whoever and you going to heaven or hell has nothing to do if you go to a place. And no your rights are not taken away.

Your beliefs are based on your poor inconveniences. The virus & science doesn't care about your beliefs. And you can do as you wish but when it could harm others is when measures are taken. A majority of the population are not educated enough to understand the ramifications of their decisions, that is why measures are taken. Instead of trying to understand, most are trying to find ways to justify not listening to experts which is stupid. I'll take your word on the well thought out statement as I have my doubts on a lot of it. I do keep an open mind but I'm not taking the words of another ordinary yokal on a message board to heart. I'll listen to people who again are not funded by big pharma.

I do respect rights & beliefs of others. Just don't agree with them & if something is said that doesn't make sense, I'll speak up.

The government way over stepped and they are way out of bounds on this one.   They should never ever shut down the country.  There are a lot of precautions we can take and still have our freedoms.  If you're that afraid self quarteen till this is over.  If you want to go out and work and or play I say go for it. I can't stand the nanny state gov. Wolfe in sheep's clothing put us in here in PA.  Probably the worst Governor we have had in my lifetime. 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

You're not even worth the time to correct

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I like the cut of your jib.  Nice work

Truth.  It is amazing the lack of concern for fellow man because some rights have been taken away.  

Bingo

Wow, this thread went from Knoxville to Eldora, to PPV revenue sharing, to heaven and hell and back with stops in China, the WHO and CDC with some personal freedoms protests thrown in for good measure.

So what does everyone think?  Is there a way for racing to find a path to get underway and we can agree about something?  Oh, wait a minute, even if we're on topic there's bound to be a pissing match about wing vs non-wing. 

Stan Meissner

Too much time on our hands Stan!   That being said I'll go ahead and get things started.   Non wing racing is exponentially better than winged racing, and Sammy needs to hang it up cause he's so slow he can't get out of his own way...

But winged racing creates an updraft thus lifting viruses above the crowd making it much safer for fans and able to be started sooner.

I suppose all eyes will be on TMac's show in Park Jefferson SD next weekend to see how everything goes down before considering options

Like I said the government way overstepped there bounds.  If you as a person can't figure out what you are comfortable with or not and depend on the government to help or tell you what is best. My hope will never be in the government it is in a much, much higher power.  I know you can't handle the truth.  

China didn't lie either. China has been telling falsehoods ever since this started.  The woohan virus was not handle correctly by the lab.  

Let we the people decide if you want to self quarteen or not.  That is none of the governments business....end of story.

The most terrifying words in the English language..... Hi, I am from the government and I am here to help.  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Again, you're not worth the time, energy, or brain power to have a discussion with. I just see your name replying to my post & I know not to read it because it will just lower my IQ level like every other incoherent post you make. Run along & blabber about something else Ernest T Bass

Let's apply some other topics to this.

Let we the people decide if you want to rob people or not

Let we the people decide if you want to murder people or not. 

All the people that disagree can just refrain, right? 

If you as a person can't figure out why sacrificing short term to preserve the long term is a good idea, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't think you're of low intellect by any means, but I believe you're incredibly dense if you think going back to norrmal is the right move here.

It's your choice to go to the track, but for you to do that requires the track owner to put multiple employees at risk because YOU want to.. what if some owners/promoters aren't willing to take that risk (and the subsequent bad press) for your entertainment? 

I get this is frustrating.  I'd love nothing more than to watch live racing as opposed to iRacing, but the best way to do that is to stay home longer so this gets tamped down.  Otherwise all we're doing is racing towards a second wave of this.  

I am shocked and disappointed at TMac's efforts, even with limiting the crowd size in the stands and restricting access to the pits.  These events require medical staff (that could be used elsewhere if needed) and they can't physically distance during accidents.  There is just no reason to do this right now.  

Here is a great article with someone that actually did the research.  Unlike most of the us press.

President Trump wisely has taken his first steps to reopen America, and has just as wisely reminded the nation’s governors that the ball is in their court. This is not just wise, it’s brilliant: if people are torqued at government restrictions, they will not have the president to blame. Their beef will be with their governors and their governors alone. 

I’ve argued from the beginning of this manufactured crisis that far more damage will be done by the panic than by the virus. It turns out I was right. And now a prominent Israeli professor is confirming what I have said all along. 

Yitzhak Ben Israel of Tel Aviv University, who is on the research and advisory board for one of the leading pharmaceutical companies in the world (Teva), has concluded that all the lockdowns, all the shutdowns, all the closing of churches, schools, beaches, businesses, restaurants, and parks was nothing more than economy-destroying madness. It has all been unnecessary because coronavirus runs its own course no matter what governments do or do not do. 

Professor Ben Israel plotted the rates of new coronavirus infections in the U.S., the U.K., Sweden, Italy, Israel, Switzerland, France, Germany, and Spain - the countries that most resemble the United States in culture and governing structure. He discovered an amazing and even astounding thing. It didn’t matter whether a country pursued a severe incarceration-in-place policy like Israel, or went about business as usual like Sweden, coronavirus followed precisely the same pattern. In the words of columnist Medina Melvin of Townhall, “coronavirus peaked and subsided in the exact same way. In the exact, same, way.” (Emphasis mine.) 

Dr. Ben Israel’s research showed that all countries experienced identical patterns of disease progression. Infections grew steadily, even exponentially, until they peaked in the sixth week, and began to rapidly subside by the eighth week. 

Israel has imposed strict quarantines. It does not allow residents to even leave their neighborhoods to buy food. Beyond that, they are only permitted to leave their homes for essential work and medical care.  

These restrictions applied even during Holy Week, when just a handful of worshipers were allowed at the Western Wall (the holiest site in Judaism) during Passover, and Easter Mass was performed at a nearly empty Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built on the site where Jesus was crucified. 

In Stockholm, by stark contrast, cafes and restaurants are open. Kids are going to school and to soccer practice. Parks are full. Sweden, in other words, is open for business. People are practicing some social distancing, and gatherings of more than 50 people have been suspended. 

But the disease has followed the same arc in both places, which means Israel - and the United States - locked everybody down for no good reason. 

Professor Ben Israel says the virus follows its own fixed pattern, which is not dependent on how much or how little freedom citizens are permitted to enjoy. “There is a decline in the number of infections even [in countries] without closures, and it is similar to the countries with closures.” While the “expansion (of coronavirus infections) begins exponentially” it “fades quickly after about eight weeks,” for reasons still unknown to epidemiologists. The virus seems to have its own life cycle. 

Italy has an unusually high mortality rate, but Ben Israel attributes that more to Italy’s substandard health system, which also collapsed in 2017 because of the seasonal flu. 

The professor believes this evidence - actual evidence and data, not the projections of some model - indicate that there is no need for either quarantines or economic closures. 

So what’s behind all the quarantines and lockdowns? Said Professor Ben Israel, echoing my words from the very beginning of this crisis, “I think it’s mass hysteria. I have no other way to describe it. 4,500 people die each year from the flu in Israel because of complications, so close the country because of that? No.”  

Remember that our own mass hysteria was triggered by Dr. Fauci running to President Trump with the hysterical predictions Professor Neil Ferguson of the UK. Ferguson projected that 2.2 million Americans would die from coronavirus. That number has now been ratcheted down, by the University of Washington model Dr. Fauci now embraces, to about 61,000, the number of Americans who die in a bad flu season. Ferguson has now reduced his projected death toll in the UK to 20,000, just four percent of his original prediction. 

Ferguson predicted in 2001 that mad cow disease would kill 150,00 in the UK. The actual death toll? One hundred and seventy-seven. Why anybody gives Ferguson’s numbers any credibility at all, let alone histrionically closes down the most successful economy in history, is one of the mysteries of the ages.  

So, the Israeli professor has demonstrated that our coronavirus closures were a disastrous, colossal, catastrophic mistake. Americans have lost jobs and businesses because of this, and some of those jobs and businesses may not come back for a long time. It will take us a decade to repair the damage we have done in just one month of cravenly surrendering to panic and fear.  

Here’s hoping - and praying - that every governor in America will reopen his state so that America can get back to being America again. 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

I can't take the blame for your IQ level....you should have paid more attention while you were in school.

I know that you can't handle the truth. The truth is we should have never been shut down in the first place.  Stay at home and self quarteen if you don't want to go out into the public and or work.  Just don't stop the people that want to work.  And I would feel that way if I got covid19 and were sick.  I would self quarteen with my wife and children for the time I was sick and contagious.   Then it would be back to work for me.  Yes, I have been working this whole time since it started at my workplace as I am not staying home.  We are an essential business according to the government.

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Still not reading your B.S. so don't know why you're still replying. You're just wasting your time. Now make like a Malaysian Airplane & disappear.

There's more than just you involved in this, and that is the problem.  It's not fair to allow a few dumb people ruin the lives of those who can be impacted by this like the elderly, the health care providers, etc.  So no, this isn't just about those who can "figure out what you are comfortable with or not".  That why the restrictions are needed.  

By the way, what the government has done, is completely within their "bounds"  

What's going to happen some day if the H5N1 bird flu gets crankin' around the globe?  Everyone gonna ignore it while 20-25% of the population disappears?  This could be the biggest blessing in disguise ever.  At the very least, the world is going to be better prepared for the next one.  Hopefully, it won't happen for another 100 years or so-----but that is not likely.  Hopefully it won't be more deadly------that is not likely either.   

Dryslick, I think all of the things you list have contributed to the low number of cases.  It is pretty obvious the spread has not been anywhere near as bad in areas that have had sustained warmth.  I know some of the lower states have had spread, but a lot of this can be contributed to very large groups of people like Mardi Gras and spring break and also large numbers of travelers from northern states.  

No worship services, festivals, sporting events, etc. have all led to a much lower rate of spread.  I don't know how it couldn't have made a big difference.  I'm convinced the school closures and pro sporting event cancellations alone have been the biggest factors in squashing the spread of this thing.  

I went to a Chicago Blackhawks game about 1 week before the earth was shut down.  I thought long and hard about going as sustained spread was already beginning in Chicago----or, at least they finally recognized it.  I would be willing to bet those last 2 Blackhawk games were petri dishes for that virus.  20,000+ fans packed in an arena in the dead center of the Chicago hot spot.   True, only dozens of cases were reported at that time, but the information was coming in so late at that point.  Guaranteed it was running rampant through the crowd that day as the state shut down 5 or 6 days later.  

Maybe I already got it?