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90sam
October 09, 2008 at 01:22:26 PM
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Posted By: brian26 on October 09 2008 at 09:47:11 AM

Update-

Just got 2 e-mails indicating interest. One guy is a well known street rodder in these parts as well as a former driver of sprints and midgets. He has indicated one midget to show, another for go.

Our own rustyrail from the KAR group is sending me pics of his flathead rail. I'm thinking this is an early Kansas super? Cacklefest or hardcore races, everyone likes the sound of a flathead.

As it is in this world for all of us, schedule permitting.

Based on what we've read here, and those I've met in the last 18 months as well as their associates who would come if this is for real, including myself with at least 2 cars- we have 17 to 28 cars of serious interest! I do know 22 of those cars run or could in short order just by completion. then add another 15 VERY STRONG possibles. Half of these are show only by conservative estimate. I try be conservative on my estimates, they could be more and still be truthful but I want to keep this as close to reality as possible. Not all cars are going to be there, but we might be surprised who and what shows up. So far we have interested parties wanting to bring cars from Coupes/sedans, supermodified, 6 cylinder modifieds, midget,sprint, and Silver Crown. This is by Thursday morning! The biggest number being from the supers.

We could use a few old tri-5 hobby stockers or anything that ran in that class. Update 10-23-08- Since there has been no interest shown either on this site or in the backchannels, any and all full fendered cars owners will need to submit a picture and a solid description of a car they wish to bring. It has been noted that we will avoid metric/late model style chassis with vintage stock car bodies placed over them. The idea for this group is based on those cars that raced until 1980. Metric chassis will not be allowed this year.

We need to figure out what the cutoff year should be or if we need one. If there is no cutoff year decided here, the heavy emphasis still needs to be put on Vintage Race Cars. What do you guys think?



Lonnie colville promoter at enidspeedwaypark in enid okla. would like to hold a meet, If someone would make contact with him about next year, I'm sure it could happen. Phone # is 1-580-234-4488 or e-mail at [email protected]



brian26
October 09, 2008 at 03:39:58 PM
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Man I'd love to see Enid Speedway again.



a500tt
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October 09, 2008 at 05:04:24 PM
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Posted By: brian26 on October 09 2008 at 09:47:11 AM

Update-

Just got 2 e-mails indicating interest. One guy is a well known street rodder in these parts as well as a former driver of sprints and midgets. He has indicated one midget to show, another for go.

Our own rustyrail from the KAR group is sending me pics of his flathead rail. I'm thinking this is an early Kansas super? Cacklefest or hardcore races, everyone likes the sound of a flathead.

As it is in this world for all of us, schedule permitting.

Based on what we've read here, and those I've met in the last 18 months as well as their associates who would come if this is for real, including myself with at least 2 cars- we have 17 to 28 cars of serious interest! I do know 22 of those cars run or could in short order just by completion. then add another 15 VERY STRONG possibles. Half of these are show only by conservative estimate. I try be conservative on my estimates, they could be more and still be truthful but I want to keep this as close to reality as possible. Not all cars are going to be there, but we might be surprised who and what shows up. So far we have interested parties wanting to bring cars from Coupes/sedans, supermodified, 6 cylinder modifieds, midget,sprint, and Silver Crown. This is by Thursday morning! The biggest number being from the supers.

We could use a few old tri-5 hobby stockers or anything that ran in that class. Update 10-23-08- Since there has been no interest shown either on this site or in the backchannels, any and all full fendered cars owners will need to submit a picture and a solid description of a car they wish to bring. It has been noted that we will avoid metric/late model style chassis with vintage stock car bodies placed over them. The idea for this group is based on those cars that raced until 1980. Metric chassis will not be allowed this year.

We need to figure out what the cutoff year should be or if we need one. If there is no cutoff year decided here, the heavy emphasis still needs to be put on Vintage Race Cars. What do you guys think?



Would a 1974 mccarl sprinter be concidered vintage to you racers in ok? I have been talking to a few of the vintage club guys here and i beleive a few would make the trip. Might even be able to get a real offie midget to show up. I know the pepsi challeger car that emmet had comes to iowa for the vintage meet and maybe more. I hope this deal turns in to something . Anything I can do from my end just let me know. I also buy and sell a few parts so if anyone needs something i may have and idea where to find. You just never know. Here is our website and you are all to come to iowa for oue vintage club meet. http://www.vintagegarage.com/MVVRCA/index.html


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brian26
October 09, 2008 at 06:15:24 PM
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This message was edited on October 09, 2008 at 06:16:38 PM by brian26

Yes sir, That would work just fine!

Let's keep in mind there are a few of us, me included, who have an 80's frame dressed up like a 70's car. It is terribly hard for some to find or even get 'period correct' pieces. I am responsible for 2 period correct cars here. Yet the car I actually 'own', is a later model frame. Still it is a non-downtube car that is 24 years old. I am redoing it per Randy Willinghams suggestion that it needs to be a race car. I think he is right, it's mine and I would have a blast doing a few laps.

The side panels are gone, correct ones in place, ugly lime green seat is in the dump, and new pics will be up soon,



brian26
October 09, 2008 at 06:19:30 PM
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This message was edited on October 09, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM by brian26

Also here is another version I find pleasing, apparently a mid 80's Stanton sprinter done in a 70's mode, yet easy to change back if needed. There are a lot affordable rollers out there when we open the tolerances a bit.

Naturally, period correct cars should be noted for their historical value and preservation. Sometimes though, this is all a man has to work with. These are good for just having a blast and adding to the car count. The NE dirt/asphalt modifieds have had to go this route for flexibility. Other vintage shows are allowing these also for added car count. Diversity within a set of parameters , along with enthusiastic people made the cars we are into such a big deal.

Should we get a crowd, and I think we can, 90% of those people won't know the particular differences like we do. There are those out there who want to build period correct frames, but the spark for making that a great idea out of a good idea-comes from what we do here.



brian26
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a500tt
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Sounds like a great plan. I hope it all happens. Good luck


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brian26
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This message was edited on October 10, 2008 at 12:02:04 PM by brian26
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Posted By: brian26 on October 08 2008 at 11:26:17 AM

I know this guy could be interested. This is i think the last car Pat Patterson drove? Only a few times,

 



This car was built using plans from George Bignotti's Silver Crown car in the early 70's according to the owner last year. The tubing was from Witchita, the same place many got theirs. Also the air cleaner rise on the hood was added on by taking an oil drain pan and using it for a fiberglass mold. Patterson only drove it a few times and it is in great shape for it's age.

 

By the way, my e-mail is [email protected]




roostasix
October 11, 2008 at 10:39:04 PM
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Yes, Dad did go get a BBQ sandwich in the racecar... He also drove it through his neighborhood about a month ago before his heart surgery, there's nothing like the sound of open headers in a residential area!

With my new job and Dad's health we didn't get the car to many shows this year, but hopefully it will go better next year. He should be able to drive the wheels off of it with the new heart valve.

Kyle



brian26
October 12, 2008 at 05:34:43 PM
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Once again I was informed to wait until the season is completely over for Lanny.I went to OkC Friday and it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize that getting some laps in on a regular show would be tough since there are so many classes.

A display would be easy to do but running some laps on a friday night poses serious logistical problems due to the time constraints. I urge any of you closer to the scene with Lanny or even with promoting experience to pursue this event. I have no real experience as to putting on an event like this and wish not to ruin this chance for everyone. I will do what is asked of me in the interest of advancing this if possible. If no one steps forward, I will keep asking. Like many of you I have a few cars that can't run anywhere. This movement is growing every year, yet the real drivers who made it huge to us are slowly dying off. Putting things off until next year makes no sense any longer. More cars are going to be refurbished or built entirely.

 



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October 12, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM
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Posted By: brian26 on October 12 2008 at 05:34:43 PM

Once again I was informed to wait until the season is completely over for Lanny.I went to OkC Friday and it didn't take a rocket scientist to realize that getting some laps in on a regular show would be tough since there are so many classes.

A display would be easy to do but running some laps on a friday night poses serious logistical problems due to the time constraints. I urge any of you closer to the scene with Lanny or even with promoting experience to pursue this event. I have no real experience as to putting on an event like this and wish not to ruin this chance for everyone. I will do what is asked of me in the interest of advancing this if possible. If no one steps forward, I will keep asking. Like many of you I have a few cars that can't run anywhere. This movement is growing every year, yet the real drivers who made it huge to us are slowly dying off. Putting things off until next year makes no sense any longer. More cars are going to be refurbished or built entirely.

 



Brian; you are correct about having a companion show, the K.A.R. went to Dodge City, Ks last weekend. We ran 6 laps of warmups we were mounted up to run our heats, weather came in they pulled the plug on us. They had to get there points races in, pulled 400 miles, one night of motel,and two days of towing. There was a 3 day show in Wichita, Ks. they had 31 cars compared to 46 last year. Nobody wants a car show they want track time. If everybody wants a show than get behind the ones that are there. This is not a spectator thing on a stand aloan show, been to too many and have not seen a crowd yet. Old timer nights are great but you are still at the mercy of the promoter. There is so much to putting on a show, just come to a K.A.R. event and follow Tom Barclay around to see what I am talking about. Dwane




brian26
October 13, 2008 at 10:38:13 AM
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On NSRA sw Nats weekend there is an almost captive audience.



brian26
October 14, 2008 at 01:34:39 PM
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Wonder if this car is still in OkC? 1/4 mile survivor, it was rebodied and restored in the 90's.

 



brian26
October 15, 2008 at 01:22:18 AM
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Two cars that will be there barring family emergency are from Harold Lindsey of Texas. The red #5 is close to ready if needed and the white 80's super NEEDS the stale air blown out of it. A serious minded participant who needs a car might look into talking to Harold about any old race cars he could want to sell.

 




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This message was edited on October 15, 2008 at 01:33:03 AM by brian26

Here are a few examples of the supermodifieds KAR has in their group, many of you have seen them here or on the main page-I LOVE the lines of that 84 car



brian26
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This car could be a big draw these days. Flathead powered by Henry and company, it was noted on the RFTP main site to be a car that never raced due to an inhospitable better half.

This car is an example of what a man had to do in order to race and still not break the bank. Todays "traditional rodder" would be keenly interested in the performance and unique engineering ideas found here. There may have been a time when a car like this might have gotten a smirk or two, but today it is no joke, simply a rolling archival example of 'shoot from the hip' American ingenuity.

 

 




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This message was edited on October 15, 2008 at 03:01:26 AM by brian26

A question came up as to who I could be 'working' for. Possibly pushing this ideer for someone else to help sell items or a show or maybe both. The answer is simple,

I work for this niche of the hobby we have. I am basically unaware of the issues that have accumulated through the years and wish for those to set aside their differences for a time so that we might -ignite- the vintage race car movement south of OkC. Naturally a strong contingent there could only help those in the north.

Saturday nights at Lawton Speedway in my childhood were the greatest times of my life. I have had a lifelong affection for the cars, people and history of bygone days. Never made any money at this, and looking at my pile of parts and lack of room, I don't expect to.

But I have seen people pass up $50k-$100k street rods just to look at an old supermodified/sprint car/midget more than once in the last ten years.Sometimes that car they came to look at was mine(yes, the goofy white tractor). There is a common thread with those people since many were in years past spectators or even racers. Passion adjusted by time and change brought those people to the kind of car they drive or look for at a show these days. Yet they never forgot the sights, sounds or smells. One location, where they could have it all, might be a winner.

On the West Coast there is a show called 'Goodguys-Pomona'. The big draw is of course the Goodguys rod and custom car show that I'm sure brings in an excessof 2,000 cars . The added attraction there is a Nostalgia Drags event. I've been told it is a success.

If you've ever gone to a Goodguys show at a major speedway like Texas, there are NASCAR type speedway cars going around frequently to advertise what they are all about and add to the atmosphere at around 160mph.

The SFS venue is the first I know of that could hold a Nostalgia Dirt event right alongside a nationally recognized street rod show-fairgrounds atmosphere, 3/8 mi track. Combined with the location it could make for a show larger than Latimore Valley in PA, or juuuuuuuussssstttttttt maybe someday even rival Knoxvilles vintage meet. The idea is for the first year to be good enough to build a case for a second year and so on.....Yes there is more potential on the table, but that is for another time. And remember, I try to curb the positive figures so that they are not embellished. The higher the potential, the better the reality that could be had.

Personally I like the name-Red Dirt Nationals. Simple, mentions dirt, and sounds Oklahoman. Got a better name? Throw it in for discussion.

As always, thoughts and criticisms are welcome so that feet are kept firmly on the ground. I do think it is important to have it scheduled 5-6 months in advance so that the unfinished cars have a chance to get ready.

Also, please e-mail me with your pictures if you can't get them on here, I can resize them so they'll work. I'll post them for you if the car pictured is one you intend to bring should this happen.

Thanks, brian26





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