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ColtanW
December 12, 2019 at 08:30:13 AM
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This message was edited on December 12, 2019 at 08:32:05 AM by ColtanW

https://sprintcarandmidget.com/world-of-outlaws-sprint-cars/trd-set-to-design-world-of-outlaws-engine/


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Moparcar250
December 12, 2019 at 10:23:14 AM
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We need Mopar to get back into it now !!!

YATYAS
December 12, 2019 at 11:05:15 AM
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This message was edited on December 12, 2019 at 11:16:04 AM by YATYAS

How much more will they cost than others?  Will this only drive up the already crazy cost of the sport?  

If it is anything like Nascrap Toyota will compete/exceed if they are going to do it.  Issue will be is if the blocks/motors will come at a significant cost.  

Rk Manufacturers Wins
1 Toyota 19
2 Ford 10
3 Chevrolet 7



El Wingador
December 12, 2019 at 02:40:58 PM
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In the press release it says TRD  is working with Speedway and Rider to build the engines. No doubt that Chris Bell is running a Speedway engine, plus he already has ties with TRD.  Question is, which driver that runs a Rider are they working with ??? 



armyduke
December 12, 2019 at 03:17:08 PM
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Impossible.  Just last week, the experts on hoseheads board told everyone that there was no way Toyota would do this because they were too big to get into this niche sport. 



MandGRacing96
December 12, 2019 at 03:23:06 PM
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Posted By: armyduke on December 12 2019 at 03:17:08 PM

Impossible.  Just last week, the experts on hoseheads board told everyone that there was no way Toyota would do this because they were too big to get into this niche sport. 



Will be anxious to see if they get the same runaround Ford did.  And people said Fords were gonna be spendy.  Total guess that Toyota will be more?  But hey they totally outspent everyone in Midgets.  Why not sprints too




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I would think that having 3 engine bases to choose from would drive prices down. Its competition , why wouldnt pricing become a factor in their marketing. It's tough to sell a new product when people are very committed or trusting of the old product. New products come with price incentives to counter loyalty all the time. I think it is good both for rivalries and bragging right but also competetive pricing.


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Sprinter#4
December 12, 2019 at 03:37:51 PM
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In the press release it says TRD  is working with Speedway and Rider to build the engines. No doubt that Chris Bell is running a Speedway engine, plus he already has ties with TRD.  Question is, which driver that runs a Rider are they working with ??? 



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Murphy
December 12, 2019 at 04:37:55 PM
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I would think that having 3 engine bases to choose from would drive prices down. Its competition , why wouldnt pricing become a factor in their marketing. It's tough to sell a new product when people are very committed or trusting of the old product. New products come with price incentives to counter loyalty all the time. I think it is good both for rivalries and bragging right but also competetive pricing.



    Would you be interested in the cheapest engine, or the fastest engine?




RodinCanada
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Fastest for sure. No doubt about it but if they all are reasonably equal in power and reliability then its cost or availability.

I'm wondering if they end up with extreme different power and torque curves would teams have a certain manufacturer for certain tracks and a different brand for long tracks etc. Where it could become an advantage. 

 


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Murphy
December 12, 2019 at 06:37:35 PM
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Fastest for sure. No doubt about it but if they all are reasonably equal in power and reliability then its cost or availability.

I'm wondering if they end up with extreme different power and torque curves would teams have a certain manufacturer for certain tracks and a different brand for long tracks etc. Where it could become an advantage. 

 



     That's a big 'if'.


I don't think speed equipment is marketed that way. I doubt the folks at Toyota said to themselves "We can build a motor just as good as anyone else, but cheaper!"



RodinCanada
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December 12, 2019 at 06:50:06 PM
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The article mentions Toyota supplying castings and pieces for the current builders to use so the power and torque would still be in the hands of the guy who ports,polishes chooses the cam and pistons would it?

Or is Toyota gonna put a part number on the assembly and market it thru a retail dealership like Chevy crate engines?


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cheroger
December 12, 2019 at 07:37:55 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on December 12 2019 at 04:37:55 PM

    Would you be interested in the cheapest engine, or the fastest engine?



It appears that the two most used and successful engines for the Midgets are the Esslenger and the Toyota.  What is the cost of each including all parts?



El Wingador
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i know, i know, i know...........



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i know, i know, i know...........



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El Wingador
December 12, 2019 at 11:55:49 PM
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A a Ron?



Maybe, he does run Rider engines ....



egras
December 13, 2019 at 02:01:39 AM
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Posted By: YATYAS on December 12 2019 at 11:05:15 AM

How much more will they cost than others?  Will this only drive up the already crazy cost of the sport?  

If it is anything like Nascrap Toyota will compete/exceed if they are going to do it.  Issue will be is if the blocks/motors will come at a significant cost.  

Rk Manufacturers Wins
1 Toyota 19
2 Ford 10
3 Chevrolet 7


Yes----press release:  Toyota will become the first company to drive up the costs of racing in the last 50 years.  



bgtexpress
December 13, 2019 at 08:39:03 AM
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Yes----press release:  Toyota will become the first company to drive up the costs of racing in the last 50 years.  



The price of a Toyota midget engine just about killed the long running ARDC club on the east coast....Amazing how much money is spent to run the Chilli Bowl.....hundreds of midgets run one race a year, then.... poof, they all disappear back into garages, never to be seen again until the following January.....Wonder what long term effect this will have on sprint car racing in terms of costs?




heinen81
December 13, 2019 at 12:43:46 PM
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Posted By: armyduke on December 12 2019 at 03:17:08 PM

Impossible.  Just last week, the experts on hoseheads board told everyone that there was no way Toyota would do this because they were too big to get into this niche sport. 



I was one. Not because they were too big to have interest in entering this niche market, but because the cost to R&D and develope a new engine package would be a hard investment to create a sizable return on. Too late to the game if trying to compete in the local or regional open market unless you find a way to somehow maintain or increase performance at a lower cost. Not likely.  Fords RY45 program along with their 360 ASCS engines were aimed at the open market and admittidely didnt prove profitable. I stand by my theory that Ford and Toyota needed to develope these engines for their Nascar contracted owners and drivers that still participate in dirt. I am sure it killed Ford to have TSR still running a Chevy, and Toyota the same. Would have been like Nike watching Jordan wear, and win in, Reeboks in summer leagues. A few might trickle out there to local or regional drivers with a strong allegiance to either company, or in the second hand market down the road... but I dont think either Ford or Toyotas goal here, is to make a cost effective engine option to compete for sales against whats already out there. We'll see, competiton drives the cost down in almost anyting except for racing lol.



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Posted By: heinen81 on December 13 2019 at 12:43:46 PM

I was one. Not because they were too big to have interest in entering this niche market, but because the cost to R&D and develope a new engine package would be a hard investment to create a sizable return on. Too late to the game if trying to compete in the local or regional open market unless you find a way to somehow maintain or increase performance at a lower cost. Not likely.  Fords RY45 program along with their 360 ASCS engines were aimed at the open market and admittidely didnt prove profitable. I stand by my theory that Ford and Toyota needed to develope these engines for their Nascar contracted owners and drivers that still participate in dirt. I am sure it killed Ford to have TSR still running a Chevy, and Toyota the same. Would have been like Nike watching Jordan wear, and win in, Reeboks in summer leagues. A few might trickle out there to local or regional drivers with a strong allegiance to either company, or in the second hand market down the road... but I dont think either Ford or Toyotas goal here, is to make a cost effective engine option to compete for sales against whats already out there. We'll see, competiton drives the cost down in almost anyting except for racing lol.



Toyota proved in Nascar they are more than competitive with their engine design.Speedway,Rider and AllPro will find a way to get a little more which costs more money.I know its been said many times but the easiest way to increase power is more cubic inches.The rule book has kept the wings from adding what they are capable of and tires are same for everybody.We have seen engine prices rise faster than purses.Sprint car engines are a small market compared to crate engines that Ford,Mopar,and Chevy sell a large amount of.





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