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Topic: Ford: What Emmett Hahn said; and what Jason Johnson said
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November 21, 2012 at
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We had Emmett Hahn and Jason Johnson on Winged Nation on Tuesday, here is a link to the show and they talked a fair amount about the Ford Engine:
http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/Media-Center/MRN-Show-Archives/Winged-Nation.aspx
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November 21, 2012 at
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Just like NASCAR....nothing but chevies win absolutley everything for umpteen years and thats fine. A Ford dominates for a few months and its got to end. Its very obvious why most true car guys aren't sprint car fans. The ASCS people don't deserve JJR and the quality and engineering at RoushYates.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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November 21, 2012 at
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OK Steve, In this addition I think that Kendra came up with the slogan of the year. At about the 29:30 mark. You should really have a shirt made for her that says "2012, The battle of the 2 Johnsons"
I apologize 
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November 21, 2012 at
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We recommend 8600-8800 rpm max. Some drivers run around 9100. Valve spring and retainers do take a bit more if a beating with more RPM. Even at 9100, the springs and retainers will go 13-14 shows with out a problem. These engines will go well over 22-24 shows before rebuild. The engine that Tony Bruce Jr ran the last two weekends had around 20+ shows on it.
Emmit is a great guy. I'm sure he will do what is right and we will support what ever that is.
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November 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: minthess on November 21 2012 at 09:07:55 AM
Just like NASCAR....nothing but chevies win absolutley everything for umpteen years and thats fine. A Ford dominates for a few months and its got to end. Its very obvious why most true car guys aren't sprint car fans. The ASCS people don't deserve JJR and the quality and engineering at RoushYates.
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Didnt NASCAR allow ford to run one of them good lookin tauruses when they had to get rid of 2 doors a few years back? And oh my; what a sleek ride that turned out to be!!
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November 21, 2012 at
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There is nothing affordable about ASCS sprint car racing at a national level. With that being said the Fords cost no more, and in some cases less than any other competitive engine out there. BTW I speak from experience I've got three. Emmett's comment a about refreshing every 8-9-10 races is simply wrong. 20-25 races is the freshen up cycle. It's a horsepower/torque game combined with a LOT of driver and setup. Jason won 14 races last year. That means he didn't win approx 40. Maybe we should look at those darn Chevys. They seem to have a pretty big advantage. Let's see, cost the same or less, good for the same or more races, and outstanding customer support. Perhaps others should step up there game instead of forcing R/Y to dumb there's down
GO FORD!!!!!!!!!!!
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November 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: mlwspt on November 21 2012 at 03:29:47 PM
There is nothing affordable about ASCS sprint car racing at a national level. With that being said the Fords cost no more, and in some cases less than any other competitive engine out there. BTW I speak from experience I've got three. Emmett's comment a about refreshing every 8-9-10 races is simply wrong. 20-25 races is the freshen up cycle. It's a horsepower/torque game combined with a LOT of driver and setup. Jason won 14 races last year. That means he didn't win approx 40. Maybe we should look at those darn Chevys. They seem to have a pretty big advantage. Let's see, cost the same or less, good for the same or more races, and outstanding customer support. Perhaps others should step up there game instead of forcing R/Y to dumb there's down
GO FORD!!!!!!!!!!!
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I went back and listened and I don't think he was saying the refresh cycle is 8 to 10 races. I think he meant that if the Chevys have to step it up to run with Fords, then it could escalate to where the refresh cycle is 8 to 10 races.
Personally, I agree with another thing he said. Jason would've done the same thing with a Don Ott Chevy. I've never seen Devils Bowl any faster than it was at this years Winternationals, and I don't think Jason has a HP advantage. He was as fast as anyone, but certainly not faster. Otherwise he probably would have won.
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November 23, 2012 at
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I haven't listened to the show yet, i will! I feel builders have a proven chevy program for the application. I can see the expenses rising with more serious r&d work in a ford. I feel maybe ascs is happy with or at its limits with an expense for the owners have in front of them. Maybe im wrong but its up to the rule makers in the end.
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November 24, 2012 at
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Another case of wanting to take away all the hard work & developement of a product that wins a few races. Emmitt said & then you can hear the Ford coming down the chute. Well hell you can hear my Mustang coming down the street, but that is just a by product of Ford being A Ford!!! Please stop the dummy down perception of sprint car racing. Just let em fight it out on the track.
Just another reason why Ford has always been second fiddle to a bowtie. When they finally build something better & competitive the tears start to flow from cry babies who cannot except change.
There was a particular Ford in the mid 60's in Central Pa that totally dominated by winning 88 races in a 2 year period. An owner with 1 motor, a set of Westlake heads & a very heads up driver.
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November 24, 2012 at
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A SPEC header is way past due. 40-50k for a SPEC engine is retarded.
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November 24, 2012 at
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Maybe Rick Hendrick will start building engines for Kahn and Stewarts teams.
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November 24, 2012 at
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Posted By: Apollo on November 24 2012 at 12:50:15 PM
Maybe Rick Hendrick will start building engines for Kahn and Stewarts teams.
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Kinda what I have been thinking. Im afraid that they are to busy with NASCAR to monkey with 360 sprints, but with Tony and Kahne you never know. Be nice to know that they get sick of hearing all the Ford fans beat their drum about the Ralph Yates tech.
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November 24, 2012 at
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It doesn't make any sense to try too hard at innovation in a " Cost Control Racing Series" ( Ha Ha That's Funny) their mandate is to keep the cars uniform so the driver wins the race. I think ASCS has done a fairly decent job of keeping the cars uniform and competitive but, the cost control, well that's something different.
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November 24, 2012 at
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Does Hahn and the other big wigs read this stuff?
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November 24, 2012 at
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And then you have Shane Stewart at the 360 Nationals at Knoxville lap up to12th place, who was next to be lapped? Yep that same 41 car that everybody's bragging about. Finishing 4 seconds ahead of second place? Wow! Oh yeah and a broken RR shock. Last I knew Knoxville is a horsepower track. What does Shane run? Oh yeah, a Chevy.
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November 24, 2012 at
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November 24, 2012 at
07:54:50 PM by Ca Sprintcar fan
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Posted By: Wesmar on November 24 2012 at 03:51:37 PM
And then you have Shane Stewart at the 360 Nationals at Knoxville lap up to12th place, who was next to be lapped? Yep that same 41 car that everybody's bragging about. Finishing 4 seconds ahead of second place? Wow! Oh yeah and a broken RR shock. Last I knew Knoxville is a horsepower track. What does Shane run? Oh yeah, a Chevy.
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3 FK shocks are still better than 4 of any other brand at Knoxville, now a days. I think they swept every main at both Nationals this year.
Hahn said "The Ford sounds different...". So does the Ford Mustang Hobby stock at my local track, but you don't see my local track try to get rid of him, or turn away any other Ford cars who would want to run with them.
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Posted By: Ca Sprintcar fan on November 24 2012 at 07:33:35 PM
3 FK shocks are still better than 4 of any other brand at Knoxville, now a days. I think they swept every main at both Nationals this year.
Hahn said "The Ford sounds different...". So does the Ford Mustang Hobby stock at my local track, but you don't see my local track try to get rid of him, or turn away any other Ford cars who would want to run with them.
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November 24, 2012 at
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My bad, it looks like they had pro shocks at that race.
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November 24, 2012 at
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November 24, 2012 at
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Posted By: Ca Sprintcar fan on November 24 2012 at 09:05:14 PM
My bad, it looks like they had pro shocks at that race.
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The Gold Cup was won using Pro shocks on Paul's car as well.
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November 24, 2012 at
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Here's what I heard...
Emmett understands that the cost to compete is now a threat, but he's not prepared to do anything about it.
Roush/Yates has done a good job of developing their ASCS platform, but at the end of the day, their extra effort is irrelavant. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that $40k-$50k engines are unsustainable. Current pricing is already a limiting factor.
Emmett's lack of leadership will continue to fracture the ASCS. The word "Universal" will soon be a thing of the past. What's even more frustrating is the lack of alternatives.
The Racesaver series is the best alternative that I've seen to date, but I believe it's time to abandon the traditional "small block." We need to find a way to leverage new technologies in order to maintain performance, but more importantly, reduce costs.
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