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Ok if you are gonna black flag him for 2 cautions what happened with the other 5-7 cars that were in the same 2 cautions? And He did not cause either one but he was penalized ... Please some one explain this crazy Call to me it was nuts then to escort him away for simply asking and yes he just asked not threatened... just asked and that is against the law of Mr. Baggett ... who might I remind all was just a racer also and I saw him throw a fit my first year out at the track. I sincerely hope the 26 lost no points for that crap call. In the same race a car got black flagged for bumping but it never occurs in the Grand American Modified race when a certain car drives through people and purposely wrecks them and the officials kiss his butt end ... this track has too much favoritism at it I miss SFS ... Please someone anyone explain this call so I can understand it ... It is something that is just unbelievable to me

Clinton would love to have you come race there. You wont have that BS man.

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I am not a racer but a fan but I was raised around racing and have never seen such a BS bunch of calls ... Hope to get to go watch a race at Clinton soon but need to get a starter for my car so I can go and not worry about getting back early enough for hubby to get to work in his truck

he got black flag because tyler webb was also involve in the first wreck. This is the second time i seen this happen. the other one was when david carpenter bump another texas driver about a month ago.

Thanks for the support. I must say that:

1. I should have gone off the track when I was told

2. I should not have gotten out of my car and walked to the flagstand.

With that said, I want to explain why my better judgement did not prevail over my frustration. I want to race. I spend a ton of money and time to do this. It is incredibly frustrating to get caught up in two wrecks before even completing a lap and then being told I am being disqualified for my misfortune. Racing gets my adrenaline pumping. I already have difficulty managing my anger sometimes. This was one of those times. It just seems unfair to invest all the time and money during the week into getting a car out there to have fun and help the track put on a show only to be told you can't do it because of a formality. I am sure there will be further consequence for doing what I did and sobeit. However, if it initiates discussion and a push for a rule change (or tweak), than it will be worth it. In my opinion, the rule should be "2 unassisted yellows." The track should still be able to accomplish their objective but not create a situation where a competitor gets disqualified for something in which they had no control.

Well, i know that at I-44 our rule is 2 unassisted yellows. That way if you get taken out,, yes you will have to go to the back. But it doesnt count agianst you if you spin out later on in the race. I know that doesnt help you out for your situation, but i think every track should have that rule other wise people can just take a person out twice and have him get black flagged for having been in 2 cautions.

David Foley

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First of all the #26 never hit the #56 car tyler broke on his own and went to the pit to fix the rear end .So u must have been looking threw your beer can on that one.And if you were looking better we had hafe of lawton working on his car not texas folks.I have been around lawton alot and i know for the last five years or longer two yellows no matter what your done .The #56 car has been there before also and it does suck but that's the rules .Now for the flagman he does not know how many times your in a yellow he is told by the infied or press box when that happens they make the call .He is just doing his job.Ok one more thing i just talked to the #18 david carpenter two weeks ago and i was told he got blackflaged for touching the #33 NOT FROM TEXAS.So please come to the races have fun and watch what realy happenes thank you this messages payed by #56 crew.

Why you ask? Because regardless of who caused the caution the rules state and have for sometime that if your in 2 cautions your done for that race. (Weither we like it or not or weither its far or not thats the rules) Most of the other cars involved never came to a complete stop or they pulled off.

Mr. Baggett does not make many of the calls and he didn't make this one... He waives the flags and counts laps!!!

Which year was your 1st year at the track? As matter of fact he has thrown many of fits and was barred for them..Whats your point? Everybody has there moments...

Kelly Baggett

Tyler had nothing to gain, So come up w/a better answer....Hmm please do give us the other Texas drivers name....

Not to beleaguer the point but I read over the entire rule sheet for every class on the L/S website and I saw nothing that states this rule. According to Todd, this is an "unwritten" rule.

As for Tyler, I have no beef with him. In fact, I have gotten on here and praised him in the past. I do not support what was said about him. I will say though, we did make contact, pretty hard actually. My torn up RR quarter will prove it... lol.

Mr. Baggett said if any of ya'll are interested in flagging you can meet him at the flag stand Saturday night, He would be more than happy to let you try. So until you been in his shoes don't be so quick to judge...

Someone is always gonna bitch and complain about something...You can't please everybody!!!!!!!!!!

Well I am going to be off this week due to my actions detrimental to stock-car racing. Maybe he will let me try? Not because I think he is not doing a good job, just that I always thought it would be fun. Maybe the hot laps?

Umm what rules does the flagman not have a handle on?

I guess I assumed it was in the rules because Lawton has had that rule for quite some time.

And I know you have never had a problem w/Tyler and you've had nothing but good things to say about him....And Thank you for that. I watched the Video on thrillerphoto.com and there was contact but it didn't look to hard but then again I wasn't in the car so I couldn't tell ya, Tyler's car had 2 little hole in the door from it.

Well it certainly wasn't the same contact that the 14 made with me! He apparently did not see the trouble happening in front of Tyler and I.

On the rule, I just hope that this rule can get changed. We need support for this. This rule is not good for anyone; fans, drivers, officials, owners, etc. What did they accomplish by disqualifying me? Does this make the show run faster? Was I a hazard out there because I am all of the sudden prone to getting caught up in cautions? I genuinely cannot come up with one good reason why this rule (as is stated is states) is a good one. I can however, think of one reason it is good for the track: they save $25 in payouts. It is funny though how a rule can be ignored by everyone until it affects them. All of those people who are saying "well a rule is a rule" surely would feel a little differently if this happened to you or your driver. We need to initiate change before it happens again.

OK, I have debated on even posting on here, but its getting pretty busy on this thread so I thought I would go ahead. First off, Chris none of what happened was your fault and you had to pay for it and I know that sucks and I dont blame you for being upset. Please know I am not on here saying what I think is right or wrong as far as rules are concerned, or if certin rules are posted or not posted. I will say that I know of other tracks that I have been to also use the 2 cautions verses the 2 unassisted cautions because it eleminates any human error, granted it can be bad for a guy in this particular situation. I dont know if this is the reason Lawton uses this rule, but I know others have in the past for that reason. I have watched the video many times and I know there was a bunch of cars involved in both accidents, but the fact is, a person is only charged with being in that accident if they come to a complete stop. On the video in the first wreck the 012, 924, 74 & 26 all came to a stop and in the second accident the 16, 02, 1 & 26 came to a stop. I know it sucks, but the only one that came to a stop in both wrecks was the 26 and that is why he was the only one sent to the pits. Again this is not directed towards Chris or anyone in particular, but a few people think there were more cars in the wrecks, and all I am saying is why it came down like it did. Also I think you guys need be a little easy on the flagman, thats a hard job and the fact is if you dont see it, you cant call it and if a call comes down from up top then it kinda brings up the old saying "dont shoot the messenger" I am not saying anyone is wrong here or right for that matter, but simply stating the facts.

OK Michael, you are not my friend anymore! ...j/k. I watched the video too and could not see anyone else who came to a complete stop either. However, I will say that this rule does not eliminate human error. With that many cars someone could have easily not been noticed as having stopped in both. I think the reason it was so easy to count me twice is because my car stalled both times and I could not get it re-fired It would not be right, but if I would have just plowed through the 1 car when he blocked me in, I would have been fine.