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From what I took away from both interviews of Rico Abreu and Corey Day one thing was apparent...they BOTH think the High Limit Series is for the racers. Having both Sweet and Larson controlling the series, knowing what drivers go through on a daily basis, knowing the rigors of the road, I feel the HL series is a drivers series moreover as a series just looking to make money like the Outlaws. Dont get me wrong, Sweet and Larson as well as Flo is looking to make bank but the HL Series seems to be catering to the drivers, teams and fans!

Proudly supports:

Logan Seavey, Brent Marks and "Big Sexy" Brandon Overton

Pretty sure the WoO personal know what it is like on the road. They are on the road as much if not more than the teams. They have vehicles to wash and tents, banners and other things to set up and tear down. Yes everyone is out to make money. 

Gary Allbuagh

That's a lititle scary. I said the same thing aloud, almost word for word before I opened the tread.

This thread is a bit different. Compare the similarities and differences 

will HL use Ascoc qualifying or change to the Woo style?

Payouts? HL $12g to win right? Did woo up theirs to $12,000 or leave it at $10,000. 
 

shorter schedule and freedom to race anywhere compared to a contracted driver. Woo can guarantee cars. HL can promise. 
 

Does NAPA go with Sweet or stay with the WoO?

Do HL really have freedom? HL made it clear if you don't run 100% of the races for 2 years you will not get a charter. I thought guys were able to run whereever they wanted, doesn't sound like it to me. Since HL has conviently set their schedule to allow all their teams to run all high dollar Woo shows at Eldora, Husets, Williams Grove, Knoxville, and Charlotte most of the HL guys will end up running close to 80 nights anyway. Plus the Woo gets the benefit of having both Woo and HL cars in attendance at their big shows.

After the charters get gobbled up in a couple years and those owners with a vested stake in the seres start wanting to swing their weight around, things will get interesting. 

Just some thoughts on the HL info made public to date.

Whilst HL allows the freedom for competitors to "race anywhere and with any sanctioning body", it is a stipulation that to gain one of the 10 free charters attendance must be 100%. This is very similar to the historical WOO requirements.

Once HL's newer traveling teams are out of the chance in the points for a free charter, teams dropping off the tour will eat into the high number of teams signed on to travel.

I am not sure the charter model translates to sprintcars, the first big difference when comparing to the NASCAR model (and I think it is fair to say Kyle and Brad may have loosely based their business model on that of NASCAR's), NASCAR does not have a national series to compete against. WOO is an option for disgruntled HL teams/drivers.

Lastly, when signing on with WOO teams know exactly how much money they will receive, profit sharing firstly assumes there will be profits. And let’s not confuse gross turnover with profit. I find it interesting that based on the 12 races last season sanctioned by HL, some figures have not yet been passed around regarding Streaming Profits for HL races. It’s also no-one’s business to know this stuff.

Hopefully the positives outweigh the negatives, I guess one positive is drivers like Cory Day have committed to racing a national series.

Bidenomics for ya! 

Same as other years. You can race all or some of the schedule but the potential earnings decrease the more you miss. They have the freedom to run any WoO show or local show they want. That sounds like freedom to choose. 
 

The WoO have benefitted with the Ascoc showing up to their grand events for years. Seems to me that the Ascoc clearly left weekends open so their regulars could go cherry pick. Seemed like an honest arrangement to me. If the Ascoc aren't offering $100,000 shows to win it seemed mighty kind to me to leave the schedule open those weekends for the Ascoc regulars. 
 

but really how can you suppress your regulars from stepping out to compete with the bigger better richer series. 

Lets just quit kidding ourselves here.......... the BIG CAT and NASCAR LARSON are trying to make $$$$$, plain and simple! Nothing wrong with that, just quit trying to dress it as something its not! Larson wants to run sprintcars but cant because of crapcar obligations, soooo we create a midweek points fund so Kyle can go play and get paid! Sweet is just along for the ride with broinlaw driving for a former Crapcar driver. Its already stated the drivers in HL can run anywhere anytime, EXCEPT when we have a race scheduled, to be eligible for the "BIG BENEFIT" the charter, you must run 2 years at EVERY HL race. Not much different than being a platinum member with  the "GREATEST SHOW ON DIRT". the Outlaws have the better business model and the best $$$ of the 2!  The teams will eventually figure out what they want and will go with one or the other. I as a longtime fan have to dance with the one that got us here, the WoO! The best thing for sprintcars in the last nearly 50 years! You can go play with the "cool kids" Larson and the Cat, or you can go with the proven and steady! Long live the OUTLAWS!!!!!

rs

Yeppers, seen that $hit destroy a few good racing clubs. 

Can you let us know why WoO never had a traveling safety team ?

People have been calling for that for years and HL will have one in their second year of touring.     I can't blame folks for being excited the HL ownership investing back into sprint car racing with things like that.   

My guess is there are 2 reasons the Woo does not have a traveling safety team, 1) Liability and 2) Cost. I am sure the lawyers have reviewed the liability if it your own employee who makes a mistake saving someone vs the tracks responsbility. As for cost to staff a full time team of 6-8 individuals with salary, benefits, etc and with the amount of travel you would not be able to have another job it would be expensive. I will be curious to see how many full time Med-Star employees are traveling with HL and how many day workers do they add at each event to support them.

Underrated post, sir. 

Lets wait and see how many "fulltime" safety people travel with them fulltime and how many track medics they recruit at each track. HL is not transparent with everything they say!

What happens if less than the desired number of cars make enough races to get a charter?  Will there be extras available if more want them? Can one buy their way in later?

I don't think they planned on it being a problem, maybe they shoulda put out a handbook of rules or the commandments of HL.

"Guaranteed charters" have already been given to some teams to join.

Interesting statistic- only 3 drivers competed in every WoO race last year, and Brad Sweet wasn't one of them. 
 

I think that even most HL non-fans would agree that the HL series is a work in progress, subject to revision. I could see the 100% race attendance to qualify for a charter provision being dialed back to something a little more realistic, like 90% or so.

Pretty sure Brad had 100% attendance may not have made every feature though.