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Just saw in Greg Wilsons post that he will return for year two with the Outlaws that makes 14 regulaes plus both of the Masdens for alot of the bigger shows looks like a good feild .

Would be great to see Shedon mahe it 15 if he gets the backing?

May make more Outlaw shows this year just wish they would go back to the old format.

So here is the 14 full timers for Woo I have. Missing anyone? Looking like a solid year for the Woo.

Donny Schatz - 15

Daryn Pittman - 9

David Gravel - 5

Brad Sweet - 49

Joey Saldana - 17w

Shane Stewart - 2

Jason Johnson - 41

Logan Schuhart - 1s

Jason Sides - 7s

Paul McMahan - 4

Greg Wilson - 20w

Jacob Allen - 1a

Clyde Knipp - 13

Brent Marks - 19

How does that list look after drug testing?

Good people on that list with so much disappointment that any of them will challenge the 15 cause they won't.

15 car will have another title rapped up by memorial weekend so in the end what you have here is disapointment.

you can get excited if you want for the 2017 season but until the 15 goes down we have a shit series and it's the truth.

nobody can challenge the 15 and it sucks...........long live Steve and Sammy cause they had each other to deal with and all the 15 has is lapped traffic to deal with and if people were not hopefulls And we're honest then you would recognize that is the truth and it just plain ole sucks but hey go pay the overpriced money and support tsr racing and Schatz and have a great new year same result 2017

Granted the 15 is the car to beat but to call it a shit series is a little extreme. The 15 won 25-26 shows last year which left 50 or so for the rest. Didn't Steve win 50+ a time or two?

You're correct.  Too bad its not like the glory days of the WOO in the 80's and 90's when it was wide open and you had no idea who was going to win it.  

(Sarcasm for those of you that didn't pick it up--just have to be clear)

As good as Sammy is/was....how often was he ever a real challenger for the WoO title to Steve.  I mean, the guy won 20 of them and that was even with a year or two off the full tour in his prime.

Yeah your right, the other 13 drivers should just quit trying and drop off the tour and go find a track or tour they can dominate instead of trying to get better. If you want to be the best you have to beat the best. Fortunately the other 13 WoO drivers and teams feel that way. I'm happy to pay the extra money to see the best of the best from across the country try to beat Schatz. Nobody stays on top forever,, these other 13 teams are hard at work trying to take the title and if they can't do it this year they will try again next year and eventually someone will improve their game enough to take the title. Seeing Schuhart get his first win and beat the super teams anything but sucks my friend, don't get hung up on the championship there are plenty of great WoO races and yes Donny does lose from time to time.

All passed, except you.

Agree Stagger.  Though bold, I will stick with my June or July prediction of Gravel winning 15 races and the title next year (or very soon).  Schatz will not win the next 15 World of Outlaws titles.  There are going to be other winners and at some point one of these young guns will get it done.  

No guarantee Schatz will win the title. But it's probably a safe bet. He's still young enough, in shape, still has the desire, and is with the team to beat. Like Kinser, having longevity with a team and the funds to compete are an edge. Steve had Karl as we all know, and Karl's right hand man when Steve came back from NASCAR. Steve never really had to undergo any extreme changes. There are some real threats creeping up on Schatz. Good strong well funded teams. So if not this year.....another new champion probably not too far down the road, if those current teams stick it out and fully develope to their full potentials. That in all decades of the WoO has been a problem. Too much starting over for drivers and teams. Threats to a throne don't succeed that way.

1980-1999, five drivers won the WoO title...... 2000-2016, five drivers have won the WoO title. I know (circumatances).....just having some fun with you.....In my humble opinion, two sets of glory days!  And two deserving, dominating Champions!

I think the real question should be, "how many times did Sammy actually run the full season when Steve or anyone else won the title?"  One thing is for sure, every title Sammy won, Steve was running full time... how many times did Steve win the title with Sammy running full time?

Inquiring minds want to know.

It's great to see such stability in the WoO line-up.

Outside of the WoO it's been carnage this silly season with more splits than the entire history of The Bachelor.

I wonder if the benefits of Craftsman Sponsorship have contributed to the stability this off-season? 

The WoO has more talent top to bottom now than it had throughout most if not all of the "Big 3" era. Lots of very well funded teams these days too and we even have a low buck team starting to make some noise. Let go of your hate for Donny and look at it objectively. He does dominate but thanks to the fact that he isn't a strong qualifier, he often times has to pass cars to get to the front which is good for us fans. Back in the day, I remember the 11 winning A LOT of races by starting on the pole and driving off into another zip code. Donny is no doubt that best right now but don't sleep on veterans like Shane Stewart, Pittman (who just won a title a few years ago) and Saldana. They can still get it done and could possibly dethrone the 15 if they get going like they're capable of doing. Then you have Gravel, Sweet and Schuchart which are young guys still on their way up. Gravel had a damn good year last year and if he can put together a season from start to finish that's as good as the last half of last season was, he might win 10+ races and could even end up winning the title. If nothing else, I'll still enjoy going to WoO races and seeing the best driver of our generation in his prime. Donny is probably the cleanest driver in the sport and is one of the classiest as well. He deserves every win and title he gets because believe it or not, he has to bust his ass on and off the track (he spends a lot of time working out to keep himself in such good shape) to do what he does. Getting to the top is hard, but staying there is even harder and the 15 team has been the ones to beat for the last decade and that's anything but easy. There aren't any participation trophies in sprint car racing. The 15 teams has earned everything they've got.

You must not be going to Outlaw races at the right tracks. Last year I saw Schatz win 1, Dewease win 2, Pittman win 1, Dietrich win 1, and Shuchart win 1. Gravel is going to be tough this year, and I would look for the KKR teams to challenge for the points as well. Schatz is still the car to beat but this year looks like it is going to be the toughest challenge in quite a while for him. 

Right tracks for who? LOL!  Donny did win 24 other WoO Features, or don't you count them because you didn't see them? If they ran the entire season on the tracks you saw those wins on you refer to, Schatz would still win the title. He and the #15 team would have those tracks figured out and covered in no time. Hell, running out there a couple times a year he's done pretty damn good over the years.

I counted 9 times that Kinser won when Sammy was in the Top 7 in points. A couple times he was 9th or 10th, not sure if he hit all the shows then or not.

We usually see things pretty close to the same, so I'm not going to argue the difference in talent levels from then 'til now, but I think the equipment today is the difference. It is more of an equilizer. The equipment today is off the shelf stuff, and set up properly today's sprint car behaves too often like a slot car. No driver forgets how to race from one day to the next, but hitting the set up has always been key to winning or running up front. Unfortunately the larger the budget, the more parts in the trailor, the easier it is to hit the set up. And too, what you bring to the table as a driver besides ability often times lands a driver a ride. Don't get me wrong.....not saying there isn't some great talent today, but the boys today only run at nights, so comparisons are really not that practical. 

I'd have to look at the points, but I think from 1978-1984 Sammy was pretty much a full time guy. From 1985-1992ish he was a pick and choose guy with the one USA year where neither of them followed the WOO.