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Tell me why Paul Mcmahan with a trailer full of good spare parts last year.  

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Tell me why that car hasn't been worth a shit with anybody in it? Are you kidding me?! You do know the talent of the drivers that has been in that car the last 3 years don't you? Hell, that car wasn't worth a shit on the All Star circuit!  And if you read my first post on the subject, I did say it still takes having the ability to set up and adjust a car properly, regardless of assets. But the right assets do make a difference.

 "Experience and knowledge is how you hit the setup."

Aha.... Davey Brown, Kreitz & DeWease?

Obviously its a combination of both: Equal experience & knowhow, more $$$ wins. Equal $$, more experience & know how wins

You just made my point, if someone knew how to set that car up it would do fine, if Donny and crew had the destiny car it would be upfront because they know how to set up a car

Now you are contradicting yourself, using your logic Donny and TSR should never miss the setup, they have the biggest budget and most parts. Setup is making your car as fast as possible for the current track and conditions. It has nothing to do with budget and parts, if it did Shark racing might as well quit. I'm not trying to start with you but your wrong, it might be the first time in your life, but your wrong.

Well from the very beginning I haven't contradicted myself. Hell, Karl missed set ups....Sammy.....Doug......they all have. I've maintained it takes the full package, starting with a lot of money which attracts or makes buying the talent much easier. Aren't you one of those among us that have lauded what the Shark Team has done with so little? Put Donny in that exact same situation as the Shark Team and he won't win like he has been. Each year the big teams, TSR, KKR and others sell off used parts. Parts that no longer meet the standards they require. They sure as hell aren't selling those used parts to each other. The teams that are buying those parts are doing so because those parts have more life in them than many of the parts they have been using. Plus they cost a lot more than new, of course. Like I said earlier.....ask the guys that are doing it how important fresh parts are to set up and making a sprint car go. If the fresh parts weren't important.....one budget would fit all teams. Hardly the case in sprint car racing. As for your comment about the #7 team and that with the trailor full of parts they shouldn't be missing the set up. Remember what you said about how even with a huge budget you couldn't put Donny up front? That's what the #7 team is facing. It does still take know how! McMahan sure hasn't forgotten how to drive a sprint car. Enough said.....prove me wrong. I've been wrong before, but not this time.

"Unfortunately the larger the budget, the more parts in the trailor, the easier it is to hit the set up"  

That is a quote from your post, and you have not yet explained how parts in your trailer and the size of your wallet helps you hit the setup. If every team on the Woo tour had the same amount of parts and budget the 15 team would still dominate because they hit the setup more consistently than any other team. The 7 car proves it, they have the parts, budget and driver and they can't run up front because they can't or don't have the knowledge to set the car up. If you could buy a good setup things would be more even, right? Jeez sorry to cause you such a headache Blazer, I was not trying to be a dick, knowledge and experience will beat a trailer full of parts and a big budget all day everyday, that's a fact. Have a nice holiday.

Yep, that's my quote and that's the way it is. Your opinion seems to indicate that the #15 car would dominate with less, because of talent alone. Not hardly the case. I agree all things being equal, it then is strictly based on talent and understanding sprint car set up. But all things aren't equal, and I don't use "ifs" in the same manner as you to try and drive home a point. I'm sure you know the old "if if's and buts......."  Along with having the best available at your disposal comes a whole new learning curve and the ability to do more. You have a nice Holiday, also.

Having a trailer full of new fresh parts doesn't make you win races, it makes you finish races.  A great example of this is Shark racing, they have good stuff just not enough of it.  They fall out of races because of thier budget, they run up front because of their talent.  I take a different look at the big budget teams having an advantage.  They have the money to buy the talent.  In my neck of the woods the two best All Star teams had the best hired drivers and wrench's, with the best equipment.  Which equals a front running team.

You could give a new team double $$ of what TSR has for 2017 and they could not beat TSR. 

Big money is only valuable if you have it consistently for a long time. Roth has poured money in but new crew and driver every year,  Schatz has had been on the tour for 20 years with top of the line stuff, not taking anything away as Im a fan but look at his first 10 years vs. the second 10. Saldana & Pittman have been around but not in a steady situation. 

Same goes for Steve, who else had a big name sponsor and ran full time with a full budget that many Years? No one.