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Topic: Outaws vs. Posse, again...
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BStrawser26
May 20, 2019 at 11:41:59 AM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on May 16 2019 at 09:10:59 AM

As per usual Strawser, you comment on a race from the comfort of your couch.  I was there, the racing sucked, the track was crap and there was little passing except for Smith and Stewart.  Of course among those passed by the #5 were about four or five cars that got in minor accidents and went to the back soooooo.  Smith was the only one making the high side work at both ends of the track, where pretty much no one else could.  So yeah, watching Dewease slot car it around the bottom sucked, as it usually does.  Most of the night it was a one groove track and if you went out of that groove you were screwed.  The feature had about a lane and a half that you could run but that went away eventually.  And Lincoln has NOT been the best surface in Pa all year. You are only saying that because you constantly bash the other track, which you never go to anyway, lol.  Pretty much week in and week out, the track that you constantly bash, has drivers raving over it. But as usual, you know better, even though you never go, lol 



I never brought up any other track.   Lincoln does have the best surface in central pa.... sorry to disappoint you again.  Not bashing anyone.......

Way to go Dream Team!!!  I never cheered for Donnie, Lance, and Davey.   Together it is really neat to see what they have accomplished.  Go Posse!!


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

blazer00
May 20, 2019 at 01:44:06 PM
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Posted By: crk410 on May 19 2019 at 02:15:03 PM

If you want to talk about perspective at least give it proper context.  Dewease isn't some one trick pony with 1 or 2 outlaw wins.  He has more outlaw wins than all but a few of the current touring regulars.  



You should dig a little deeper if you want to throw Dewease's record against the WoO around. His home track successes are  what carry his numbers for his career, most notably in the past four years w the 69k team. Otherwise there are only a few wins away from home scattered over all his years in his total. That's something many drivers have done from all areas of the country. And of those current Outlaws that Dewease's wins are so much better than, what is the average years on tour or in a sprint car for those you refer to? I take nothing away from what Lance has done at the PA tracks, but when you bring up perspective and proper context, well...................



RodinCanada
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It's pretty hard to compare apples to oranges. Are we trying to decide if DeWease joined the WoO for 3 seasons would he be as successful as Schatz, Allen or Madsen???? My guess from Saskatchewan is somewhere between Madsen and Schatz, closer to Madsen but it wont happen so we wont know.

Could this entire conversation be carried on with the name Dobmeier in place of DeWease if this forum had 30 posters from ND? He wins a lot locally.  I know he travels.i just think the 2 scenarios are incomparable to do justice to either.

 


Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

HoldenCaulfield
May 20, 2019 at 03:18:35 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 20 2019 at 01:44:06 PM

You should dig a little deeper if you want to throw Dewease's record against the WoO around. His home track successes are  what carry his numbers for his career, most notably in the past four years w the 69k team. Otherwise there are only a few wins away from home scattered over all his years in his total. That's something many drivers have done from all areas of the country. And of those current Outlaws that Dewease's wins are so much better than, what is the average years on tour or in a sprint car for those you refer to? I take nothing away from what Lance has done at the PA tracks, but when you bring up perspective and proper context, well...................



Please list some of these drivers that have never raced the WOO tour full time and have as many WOO wins as LD.


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Hooper31
May 20, 2019 at 05:41:33 PM
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on May 20 2019 at 03:18:35 PM

Please list some of these drivers that have never raced the WOO tour full time and have as many WOO wins as LD.



Here's a link.  I see that he's making an argument and chose not to show his work. Make a counter-argument and show your work. 

https://worldofoutlaws.com/sprintcars/history/sprint-car-series/all-time-wins-1978-2018/



IGGR_Snake
May 20, 2019 at 08:05:01 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on May 19 2019 at 08:12:48 AM

The challenge was laid down last night. Let’s get the 69k to Knoxville and we’ll see what happens on more neutral turf. 



NEUTRAL TURF??????  thats a joke !!!!



IGGR_Snake
May 20, 2019 at 08:18:49 PM
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I do beleive one of those OutLaw wins came while he was in the 30c car on National TV and as for winning races outside of Pa,  I'd say he has at least 20 410 sprint car wins outside of Pa.  (dont have the exact number) but to say Knoxville is a nutral track. 



revjimk
May 21, 2019 at 01:44:53 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on May 19 2019 at 12:39:29 PM

Exactly. We have a lot of fans in this area who can't just be happy their local guy won while keeping things in perspective. One victory against the WoO on home turf and they go crazy with stupid comments. Do I think the 69K is capable of going go Knoxville and doing well? I'd be a total fool if I said no but I also know they may struggle. If they show up and hit on something, they will do good but we have no way of knowing for sure how that will go. Heard one guy "guarantee" Lance will win Knoxville. That's just ridiculous. 



One victory? More like 2 out of 3....



revjimk
May 21, 2019 at 01:47:22 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on May 19 2019 at 11:48:58 AM

So challenge not accepted? Lol



Its not up to us keyboard jockeys on HH. Its up to the team

You know damn well all of us want to see them at Knoxville, but we're not 84 yrs. old & doing the work & traveling, OR paying the bills....



revjimk
May 21, 2019 at 01:49:47 AM
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Posted By: Denver724 on May 19 2019 at 04:28:31 PM

Super impressed with Gio Scelzi's run last night. A really rough start coming from the C and ends up 7th in the A (coming all the way from 24th). Such a talent at 17 to consistently run in the top 10 wherever he goes. The sky is the limit and looking forward to see where he eventually ends up. He and Bernie really work well together. 



Yep. Best part of the race besides Lance/ Donnie duel....



revjimk
May 21, 2019 at 01:59:54 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on May 19 2019 at 12:39:29 PM

Exactly. We have a lot of fans in this area who can't just be happy their local guy won while keeping things in perspective. One victory against the WoO on home turf and they go crazy with stupid comments. Do I think the 69K is capable of going go Knoxville and doing well? I'd be a total fool if I said no but I also know they may struggle. If they show up and hit on something, they will do good but we have no way of knowing for sure how that will go. Heard one guy "guarantee" Lance will win Knoxville. That's just ridiculous. 



Ah, lighten up. Of course some Posse fans are dummies, as are some Outlaw fans, Green Bay Packer fans, Steeler fans, etc etc.

Anyone with any sense knows that Knoxville would be a major challenge for the Dream Team. Thats why we want to see it happen, right?



revjimk
May 21, 2019 at 02:00:55 AM
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Posted By: rj34 on May 19 2019 at 07:23:26 PM

Porch honky doin' fine

Beating the Outlaws one day at a time

https://youtu.be/xIAhzRR_I14



I have to admit, thats a damn funny video... thanks! :)



fiXXXer
May 21, 2019 at 07:07:13 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on May 21 2019 at 01:59:54 AM

Ah, lighten up. Of course some Posse fans are dummies, as are some Outlaw fans, Green Bay Packer fans, Steeler fans, etc etc.

Anyone with any sense knows that Knoxville would be a major challenge for the Dream Team. Thats why we want to see it happen, right?



You are 100% right. I wish it didn't get to me but it does. Mainly due to the fact that if they go to Knoxville and finish 2 spots from transferring out of the B, that's still a solid showing for Knoxville yet the naysayers will bash the team instead of the chest thumping morons who bragged them up in the first place with outlandish "expectations." I really wish I was as chill as you are Rev. Maybe I'll calm down with age lol.



J&J
May 21, 2019 at 08:36:32 AM
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Posted By: railfan33 on May 18 2019 at 10:06:15 PM

Last night Gravel started on the pole of his heat, poll of the dash, and poll of tha A main. Pittman led first few laps but Gravel passed him. That’s 0 technical passes, but no comment last night? 



Gravel fell back to third at one point!



J&J
May 21, 2019 at 08:41:34 AM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on May 19 2019 at 06:53:44 AM

Kinser didn't start his downward slide until his 50s. Maybe Schatz should go get a checkup.



If any of you know what is going on this year Donny hasn’t had Ricky with him this year. I think Schwartz is doing great considering a big change.  Doesn’t need a check up.. Maybe everyone should check up what’s different in the team. Stop blaming a driver. Take the Brown out of the 69k and see what happens there! Just saying



larsonfan
May 21, 2019 at 11:30:06 AM
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Knoxville alwasy seems to have a good bottom groove (and middle and top!).

LD seems to like running a bottom groove.

I see no reason that the 69K can't run top 10 or maybe even top 5 in Sat's A Main.

Hard to beat Schatz there, especially with the rediculous mid-race break they have.



blazer00
May 21, 2019 at 12:43:42 PM
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on May 20 2019 at 03:18:35 PM

Please list some of these drivers that have never raced the WOO tour full time and have as many WOO wins as LD.



My refrence was that by removing his PA hometown wins (especially the Grove) he's no better than a whloe lot of drivers that have wins on the WoO tour.  The post I responded to leads one to believe he is competitive with the Outlaws wherever he runs and has run, and that's just not true. Those wins are scattered much like a lot of other drivers.



zippy2212
May 21, 2019 at 01:19:30 PM
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Not being smart, but how many other drivers have as many wins as he does on their hometown tracks?  Not many I would guess.  His record is also pretty impressive at the Front Row Challenge at Oskaloosa.



onporch
May 21, 2019 at 02:47:06 PM
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Don was on Winged Nation today.   He said the 69K will race against the Outlaws at Knoxville on June 14-15.    

 



SAF92
May 21, 2019 at 02:59:40 PM
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Posted By: IGGR_Snake on May 20 2019 at 08:05:01 PM

NEUTRAL TURF??????  thats a joke !!!!



I believe they stated "MORE neutral turf."  Which I agree it would be. The Grove is a place Donny only runs a few weekends a year compared to the 69k running their weekly all season. So while Donny has dominated Knoxville... Yes, you could argue its more neutral than the Grove.



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