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I think that’s a great way to put it. I really respect Lance and Rahmer and the rest, It’s the rednecks who whine when they lose and chest thump when they win that make them hard to root for.

Exactly. We have a lot of fans in this area who can't just be happy their local guy won while keeping things in perspective. One victory against the WoO on home turf and they go crazy with stupid comments. Do I think the 69K is capable of going go Knoxville and doing well? I'd be a total fool if I said no but I also know they may struggle. If they show up and hit on something, they will do good but we have no way of knowing for sure how that will go. Heard one guy "guarantee" Lance will win Knoxville. That's just ridiculous. 

If you want to talk about perspective at least give it proper context.  Dewease isn't some one trick pony with 1 or 2 outlaw wins.  He has more outlaw wins than all but a few of the current touring regulars.  

The nine scariest words in the english language 
are ,"i'm from the government and i'm here to help" - 
Ronald Reagan

Lance is an all time great. No doubt about it. But the illusion that they're just going to barnstorm Knoxville and dominate like they do at the 3 tracks that they race at all the time is stupid. If they hit on a set up...which with Davey Brown is a distinct possibility....then they're going to be tough but this is Knoxville. Even the National Open doesn't compare. You have to be all but perfect. One misstep and it's over. Perfection is a little hard to expect from a team who hasn't raced there in over 20 years and a driver who hasn't turned a lap there since 2013. I'm rooting for them as much as anyone. Nothing would make me happier than seeing them shock the world and win Knoxville but it's going to be a tough task. I'm sure the team would even agree with that. Winning a WoO race at a very unique track that everyone on that team knows better than anyone else in the world is hardly enough to guarantee a win at the toughest sprint car race on the planet.

We should get a better idea in the middle of June.  Sounds like they might be going out then.  Will be interesting at the very least.

Super impressed with Gio Scelzi's run last night. A really rough start coming from the C and ends up 7th in the A (coming all the way from 24th). Such a talent at 17 to consistently run in the top 10 wherever he goes. The sky is the limit and looking forward to see where he eventually ends up. He and Bernie really work well together. 

Indeed. 

I also roll my eyes at the rockheads who look at a comment on Twitter that was obviously set up to stir the pot, hype an event, or just be lighthearted in general, and then get their panties in an immediate twist. 

Case in point, look at some of the responses to Larson's tweet earlier this week. 

That kid is damn good. I was very impressed when he set the WoO-age record last year at the Grove. He wasnt at a home track or won by some fluke, he just simply drove a great race.

I also saw some highlights of Kofoid at Fremont from this weekend. If these two stay within the 410 ranks for years to come there's quite a lot these these two could accomplish.

Porch honky doin' fine

Beating the Outlaws one day at a time

https://youtu.be/xIAhzRR_I14

That would be pretty cool, but will never happen and of course it wouldn't settle anything. But it would be cool if there was a "race of champions" sort of deal maybe at World Finals, or something that was like a 20 lap dash between the top 3 Outlaws and All Stars and then the Central PA champion, Knoxville Champion, a CA guy, Oh guy, etc. 

I am with you on this. Although it would be hard to find 4 tracks none of them had raced at before. I just don't think Knoxville can be a measuring stick and I don't get why it is considered "neutral ground". The Outlaws visit Knoxville 3x a year (I think). IMO, neutral ground is Nashville coming up. A track no one has ever raced and everyone will be figuring out on the fly.

Porch dwellers, we've been known...

To race in our back yard all year long. 

Porch dwellers, at the Grove'...

Cookin' up a possum on the stove.

Porch  dwellers, all we need...

Is a race in our backyard to succeed. 

Porch dwellers, doin' fine...

As long as we never cross the state line.

Typically people who criticize the posse as porch dwellers are just jealous because they have no local racing scene to support.  Would you happen to fall into that category?

The nine scariest words in the english language 
are ,"i'm from the government and i'm here to help" - 
Ronald Reagan

You should dig a little deeper if you want to throw Dewease's record against the WoO around. His home track successes are  what carry his numbers for his career, most notably in the past four years w the 69k team. Otherwise there are only a few wins away from home scattered over all his years in his total. That's something many drivers have done from all areas of the country. And of those current Outlaws that Dewease's wins are so much better than, what is the average years on tour or in a sprint car for those you refer to? I take nothing away from what Lance has done at the PA tracks, but when you bring up perspective and proper context, well...................

It's pretty hard to compare apples to oranges. Are we trying to decide if DeWease joined the WoO for 3 seasons would he be as successful as Schatz, Allen or Madsen???? My guess from Saskatchewan is somewhere between Madsen and Schatz, closer to Madsen but it wont happen so we wont know.

Could this entire conversation be carried on with the name Dobmeier in place of DeWease if this forum had 30 posters from ND? He wins a lot locally.  I know he travels.i just think the 2 scenarios are incomparable to do justice to either.

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Please list some of these drivers that have never raced the WOO tour full time and have as many WOO wins as LD.

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Here's a link.  I see that he's making an argument and chose not to show his work. Make a counter-argument and show your work. 

https://worldofoutlaws.com/sprintcars/history/sprint-car-series/all-time-wins-1978-2018/

NEUTRAL TURF??????  thats a joke !!!!

I do beleive one of those OutLaw wins came while he was in the 30c car on National TV and as for winning races outside of Pa,  I'd say he has at least 20 410 sprint car wins outside of Pa.  (dont have the exact number) but to say Knoxville is a nutral track. 

One victory? More like 2 out of 3....