Forum: HoseHeads Sprint Car General Forum (go)
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Bingo.  Took the words right out of my mouth.  The more overhead you are paying out to teams (whether that's tow money, points money, or 'charters' the more expenses you incur.  Those expenses have to be paid from somewhere.  It seems the magical answer of "it's going to come from streaming money" is the answer to everyone's problems.  Floracing is making an investment.  If the investment costs more, the need to see a return on investment goes up.  The more the need for a return on investment goes up, the more pressure to get more subscribers to pay for the investment.  If the investment does not offer a return in the form of more subscribers, FloSports/Floracing has a solid track history of not continuing to offer that product. 

Most serious sprint car fans I know who would want to follow High Limit diligently already have a subscription to FloRacing (it's a GREAT value in my opinion)...so where are all the new subscribers supposed to come from?  Casual fans aren't going to pay $150 a year for Flo to watch an occasional High Limit race.  At that point it's going to turn into either:  

1.  Get more subscribers

2.  Stop investing in it

3.  Keep going by raising subscription prices for existing subscribers 

Anyone want to place bets it will be #3?  lol.  If Flo only covered racing, I'd bet the house on it.  But Flo covers a ton of other sports - are they going to risk alienating fans of their other niche offerings like hockey, cycling, swimming, cheerleading, wrestling etc. fans by increasing their rates to prop up the High Limit series?

There is a reason there's not ever been a single dirt series...sprint or late model...who brings a full 24-car (or more) show to the table, and it's exactly what Rodneyincanad said.  The economics have never worked for a series to have more than (at most) 12 full time racers.  No more than 8 full time teams seems to be the sweet spot across series for a multi-year sustainable number.  Most tracks have X many seats and fans are willing to pay Y for a ticket.  A title sponsor may invest some money as Z.  When X+Y+Z are added up, there has never been more than 10-12 teams who can sustain their operations on dirt racing purse winnings with the sponsors they bring.

I dig the concept of High Limit.  I think the vision of High Limit is awesome.  But the nuts and bolts business operation side of High Limit seems to be fairly high risk...which is ironic lol.

Bingo.  Took the words right out of my mouth.  The more overhead you are paying out to teams (whether that's tow money, points money, or 'charters' the more expenses you incur.  Those expenses have to be paid from somewhere.  It seems the magical answer of "it's going to come from streaming money" is the answer to everyone's problems.  Floracing is making an investment.  If the investment costs more, the need to see a return on investment goes up.  The more the need for a return on investment goes up, the more pressure to get more subscribers to pay for the investment.  If the investment does not offer a return in the form of more subscribers, FloSports/Floracing has a solid track history of not continuing to offer that product. 

Most serious sprint car fans I know who would want to follow High Limit diligently already have a subscription to FloRacing (it's a GREAT value in my opinion)...so where are all the new subscribers supposed to come from?  Casual fans aren't going to pay $150 a year for Flo to watch an occasional High Limit race.  At that point it's going to turn into either:  

1.  Get more subscribers

2.  Stop investing in it

3.  Keep going by raising subscription prices for existing subscribers 

Anyone want to place bets it will be #3?  lol.  If Flo only covered racing, I'd bet the house on it.  But Flo covers a ton of other sports - are they going to risk alienating fans of their other niche offerings like hockey, cycling, swimming, cheerleading, wrestling etc. fans by increasing their rates to prop up the High Limit series?

There is a reason there's not ever been a single dirt series...sprint or late model...who brings a full 24-car (or more) show to the table, and it's exactly what Rodneyincanad said.  The economics have never worked for a series to have more than (at most) 12 full time racers.  No more than 8 full time teams seems to be the sweet spot across series for a multi-year sustainable number.  Most tracks have X many seats and fans are willing to pay Y for a ticket.  A title sponsor may invest some money as Z.  When X+Y+Z are added up, there has never been more than 10-12 teams who can sustain their operations on dirt racing purse winnings with the sponsors they bring.

I dig the concept of High Limit.  I think the vision of High Limit is awesome.  But the nuts and bolts business operation side of High Limit seems to be fairly high risk...which is ironic lol.

I'll bet you 100$ you are wrong on ROY (just like all else you are wrong on)

You keep saying that over & over

Doesn't prove anything

Carson Macedo is on a roll down under.  Which series for him?

https://twitter.com/WorldofOutlaws/status/1746178708451320151

https://twitter.com/WorldofOutlaws/status/1745857053002735844

One thing that has for sure happened is that this thread has been taken to the next level. (Eyeroll).

But isn't everything better when taken to the next level?  That's what I've been hearing.