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Carson Macedo to the WoO for 2024

https://twitter.com/WorldofOutlaws/status/1736778453318291929

That's a big one. Now if Roth comes on tour with Buddy you have 7 big names plus the normal middle and bottom tiers that you always had. High Limit's big gets were of course Sweet and convincing Rico and Marks to join a tour. Other than one big team and 2 middle tier teams, the WoO held together fairly strong. I think all in all this time it's not really a split, it's another National tour carving out a piece on its own by attracting a lot of top non-WoO talent plus the 3 big All Star teams and a couple of WoO strays (And Sweet). 

2 solid tours. 

with macedo going to the WOO, it surely seems to be a horse a piece on who has the better lineup. I"m curious to see how the lineups shakedown as the season goes on and people begin to drop off. I'm a little worried about the HL side to be honest but I do think both series have some really nice drivers to follow their series.

Add Carson Macedo to the greatest show on dirt!!! Way to go Carson! Right where you should be!

+1

Tanner Thorson to the High United Sprint Tour Association Limits. 

That's 14 holy rollers

Does anyone have anything background info on the team? If I'm correct it's backed by Rod Gross motorsports from York pa? Is this the same Rod Gross that competed in Pa back in the 70s?

Your number may be a little high.

You must have a few years on me but I can't recall a Rod Gross sprint car team. I did spend a lot of weekends at US 30 though, not so much at the dirt tracks in the seventies. I know that Aaron Long was helping Tanner here in PA not sure if he still is. I believe Tanner has some solid people supporting him with everything he'll need, he will do okay.  Hope to see him run his midget once in a while though.

Lets not kid ourselves here.......... No doubt the quality cars went with the WoO! Some young ones with HL, but for the time being, Haud, Gravel, Schatz, Macedo, Scelzi, Schuhart lineup is stacked and they have a couple new faces as well! Lond live the OUTLAWS!

Tyler Courtney to High Limit. 

https://twitter.com/HighLimitRacing/status/1742274580507431037

They have too many teams.  There, I said it.  Not sustainable.

Uh, oh. That Outlaw fanboy got himself so excited hoping for the Outlaws to live "lond."

I am with you about longevity. but those years are in the past and so is the WOO!  Lets chat here again at the end of the season, aound November and compare the revenue of each series...

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Why do you say that? Seems to me it would be good to have lots of teams....

Personally, I am not a Mid-Week Race guy. Work comes too early in the morning for me. I guess it depends on if or what they have for support classes. No way will I be able to sit through 1 or 2 support classes. That's just me though.

"quality of cars went with the Woo"  well hell, seriously?  you're kidding right??

Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Makes perfect sense

But thats about working people's schedules, not number of teams

Glad I'm retired ;)

A series can't afford to pay 25 teams to follow them. Overhead gets out of hand. You need enough to draw a crowd and few enough to keep money in the series bank account  More cars may make fans happy but the series rely on those who show up unpaid. 

Bingo.  Took the words right out of my mouth.  The more overhead you are paying out to teams (whether that's tow money, points money, or 'charters') the more expenses you incur.  Those expenses have to be paid from somewhere.  It seems the magical answer of "it's going to come from streaming money" is the answer to everyone's problems.  Floracing is making an investment.  If the investment costs more, the need to see a return on investment goes up.  The more the need for a return on investment goes up, the more pressure to get more subscribers to pay for the investment.  If the investment does not offer a return in the form of more subscribers, FloSports/Floracing has a solid track history of not continuing to offer that product. 

Most serious sprint car fans I know who would want to follow High Limit diligently already have a subscription to FloRacing (it's a GREAT value in my opinion)...so where are all the new subscribers supposed to come from?  Casual fans aren't going to pay $150 a year for Flo to watch an occasional High Limit race.  At that point it's going to turn into either:  

1.  Get more subscribers

2.  Stop investing in it

3.  Keep going by raising subscription prices for existing subscribers 

Anyone want to place bets it will be #3?  lol.  If Flo only covered racing, I'd bet the house on it.  But Flo covers a ton of other sports - are they going to risk alienating fans of their other niche offerings like hockey, cycling, swimming, cheerleading, wrestling etc. fans by increasing their rates to prop up the High Limit series?

There is a reason there's not ever been a single dirt series...sprint or late model...who brings a full 24-car (or more) show to the table, and it's exactly what Rodneyincanad said.  The economics have never worked for a series to have more than (at most) 12 full time racers.  No more than 8 full time teams seems to be the sweet spot across series for a multi-year sustainable number.  Most tracks have X many seats and fans are willing to pay Y for a ticket.  A title sponsor may invest some money as Z.  When X+Y+Z are added up, there has never been more than 10-12 teams who can sustain their operations on dirt racing purse winnings with the sponsors they bring.

I dig the concept of High Limit.  I think the vision of High Limit is awesome.  But the nuts and bolts business operation side of High Limit seems to be fairly high risk...which is ironic lol.