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Topic: Driver rosters: HL vs. WoO
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Murphy
January 27, 2024 at 09:06:51 AM
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I know there are exceptions to every rule, but generally most cucumbers are green. Please go back and read my question again, but slower.



Parnelli1970
January 27, 2024 at 01:28:48 PM
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Before HL started last year what big races were the outlaws being deprived of running? 



Parnelli1970
January 27, 2024 at 03:43:43 PM
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You didn't answer my question. What races were the big bad Woo keeping drivers from competing in. If I remember correctly the drivers were asking for less races on the schedule years back.



Parnelli1970
January 27, 2024 at 05:17:27 PM
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You can't name a specific race that drivers were complaining about not being able to attend because there was none.



Murphy
January 27, 2024 at 06:02:26 PM
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You didn't answer the question about the 4 race rule, nor have you enlightened anyone about your expertise on everything including cucumbers. I bet the outlaws don't even understand what that last sentence is supposed to mean.



Parnelli1970
January 27, 2024 at 11:41:46 PM
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A race at Lincoln is the reason it's a BS rule? 



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 07:45:17 AM
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If it's such a BS rule surely there must be a lot of drivers complaining about it right? You give one example of a race at Lincoln so what what were all these races they were missing out on? I don't remember anyone complaining about missing out on regular shows.



armyduke
January 28, 2024 at 08:08:15 AM
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Posted By: Parnelli1970 on January 28 2024 at 07:45:17 AM

If it's such a BS rule surely there must be a lot of drivers complaining about it right? You give one example of a race at Lincoln so what what were all these races they were missing out on? I don't remember anyone complaining about missing out on regular shows.



Right.   The benefits of the highest paying point fund, the highest paying tow money, the highest paying contingencies far far far outweigh what they could make from running that 5th race above the 4 race limit, that it is a great compromise to reward the platinum program and keep tracks from getting defacto outlaw shows for free without paying the fees that in turn pay the biggest perks in the sport.  Not rocket science, but so many just don't get it.  Ignorance is bliss I reckon. 



Murphy
January 28, 2024 at 08:28:06 AM
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Right.   The benefits of the highest paying point fund, the highest paying tow money, the highest paying contingencies far far far outweigh what they could make from running that 5th race above the 4 race limit, that it is a great compromise to reward the platinum program and keep tracks from getting defacto outlaw shows for free without paying the fees that in turn pay the biggest perks in the sport.  Not rocket science, but so many just don't get it.  Ignorance is bliss I reckon. 



Strawser's babblings aside, it gets back to my question that he obvious doesn't know the answer to. Is the WoO allowing their platinum members the 4 race exception this year?

 



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 08:35:12 AM
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Strawser's babblings aside, it gets back to my question that he obvious doesn't know the answer to. Is the WoO allowing their platinum members the 4 race exception this year?

 



I haven't heard if they are allowed to or not I'm assuming they are allowed to or there would have been an announcement that they were taking the four races away.



NWFAN
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Posted By: armyduke on December 05 2023 at 08:32:47 AM

Landon Crawley to the Sides Car WoO Tour



whoa,the sides car...


Ascot was the greatest of all time..

West Capital wasn't half bad either..

Life is good...

Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 05:32:49 PM
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I'm full of shit but you can't name more than one race at Lincoln. The only ones that come to mind is Sides and Sheldon really making something over the not a rule but an agreement when you sign up for the Platinum benefits. You can't name a single specific race they were being deprived of before HL so save your bullshit for the next stupid thing you get behind.



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 05:34:31 PM
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Good comeback what's next sticks n stones.



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 06:44:55 PM
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Been around longer than you. In the 80s or 90s there was no platinum plan dumb ass. Do you really think the tow money and other perks were what they are now? Nothing has pushed the growth of Sprint car racing more than the Woo. You're just another Stoopid kid that wants the shiny new toy.



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 07:26:19 PM
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Bullshit when Karl and Mark Kinser ran together they would sometimes skip the tour and run Ohio speedweeks. Nobody has a gun to their head to sign up for the benefits if they don't they can run wherever they want that's a fact.The Woo is a business so is th the HL it's their playground and their money. Funny how the three examples of teams that bitched about running other races are signed up for 2024 can you explain that?



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Posted By: fiXXXer on November 29 2023 at 04:35:27 AM

Right. It's always been my understanding (and I've been told this by someone who's very involved with the WoO) that the main reason behind the WoO having the rules they do wasn't so much about drivers and teams as it is about non WoO tracks scheduling creatively to get what amounts to an unofficial WoO show during times when their teams are in certain areas. The teams wanted more races so the WoO tried to do that after they put that rule on the books. It's never been about controlling teams. It's about protecting your business and keeping your product fresh. 



   That's a very easy problem to address, simply have,  say a 500 mile circle around any WOO date/track and you can't race there within say 10 days of a WOO show. Very simple problem to solve, it's all about control with WOO



Murphy
January 28, 2024 at 08:18:18 PM
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A couple thoughts here....

I recall a couple times in the past where tracks were trying to attract WoO drivers to non-sanctioned races and the WoO kinda put the kabobs to it. Husets Speedway tried, I think it was called The Gold Cup race. A track in Ohio (Mansfield?) tried a $100,000 to win race right after the Knoxville Nationals. So, I believe there were some bigger races involved.

 

I thought that the WoO exclusive rule was started when somebody after Ted Johnson decided to take the WoO to the "next level". Once drivers started signing contracts for tow money and other benefits, the die was cast. Whether you like the rule or don't, you've got to understand that business reason behind the rule. If you don't or won't understand that, you're just being ignorant or immature...



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 08:52:48 PM
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Early nineties didn't run the full schedule till around 95 or 96. Tracks were scheduling races around the eastern swings to draw Woo drivers. Then they started a rule with you couldn't attend races within 100 miles or 48 hours of a certain track (Williams Grove) to protect their brand. The Platinum deal started after the WRG took over. By the way a lot of guys would drop the n to run the Oh speedweek finale at Eldora for the big money.



Parnelli1970
January 28, 2024 at 09:05:54 PM
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Really? Where did they finish in the points. They won in 96 Karl did what he wanted when Steve ran Nascar. Answer me this how many teams declined the Platinum incentives since it was started? Surely if it was such a big deal some would have declined signing up so they could be so free.



Murphy
January 29, 2024 at 06:36:25 AM
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Step back into reality. "Hundreds and hundreds of drivers" did not "decline the offer to go full time with the outlaws". You can't expect anybody to take you seriously when blatantly make stuff up.



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