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yes that is why trash the NCAA and replace it with gov..........no no no no - an independent entity. Cant expect them to govern themselves (like the ncaa) and no matter what party you subscribe to....dont want governent running NCAAF

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same joke but with Michael Jackson for years lol.

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I hope all of you that are commenting, including MSPN, have read the FACT FREEH report in its entirety, WORD BY WORD and not listened to the spin the media put on it.

This is far from over! Remember this report is not a police report and thank god its not because it has plenty of inconsistencies and speculation. And do any of you that have half a clue really think that the report was independent of the clowns of the Board of Trustees and Gov Corbett? I think not! And if any of you have a clue, take a look back at Louie Freeh's track record. Sure isn't too pretty if ya ask me.

But as in anything, everyone knows all, would have done the right thing in the same situation and I could go on and on.

As I said, its far from over and when its all said and done, facts will be proven that it was not a coverup.

I have it saved and have read what I am going to read (about 50 pages). It does not need to be spinned, it is truly damning with evidence aplenty. What isn't pretty is what it contains and it is thorough enough for anyone with half a brain or not a desperate PSU apologist. Attacking |Louis Freeh who was hand picked by your own PSU peeps is merely gasping at straws, the worse is yet to come and while it may take some time, be prepared.....

I would think "OUTRAGED and DISGUSTED" would be better words for you to use! Would you be disheartened if one of these boys was a neighbor? No, you would be outraged and disgusted, right? Remember it appears that we're talking about the entire University top staff being involved with this cover up. Penn State will pay plenty of $$$$ and I think their entire athletic department should receive the Death Penalty. The NCAA should allow ALL athletes to transfer without loss of eligibility. All schools should be safe places for our children.

Bullshit! Everyone that was involved with the crimes or cover-up of the crimes WILL be prosecuted if found guilty. No one that is guilty is getting away with anything here. If it's all about money, then why wouldn't having the university donate all football revenue to charity(which they've actually done a lot of so far)for a few years be a fitting punsihment? That would benefit a lot of people. No, that's not enough because this has become more about hate and wanting to shut down a football rival moreso than helping the kids. How is shutting down the football program or punishing the entire school as you suggest gonna help the kids? If this happened at your school, I'm sure you'd feel different so fuck you and the high horse you rode in on.

Forcing the student athletes and coches to transfer instead of going to school where they chose to would be unnecessary punishment of the innocent that would accomplish nothing other than appeasing the PSU haters.

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We'll find out when Spanier, Curley and Shultz get their day in court. I think it wise to reserve judgement until then. Since most of the Freeh report is heresay, not sworn testimony, I'm not sure how much will even be admissable in court. JoePa has already had his day of judgement.

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The pot calls the kettle black... ;)

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This is rich coming from a guy who hides behind his PC and a private phone number...;)

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I seldom agree with anything Steven A Smith says on ESPN , but I do in this situation.

Remove the Statue of Joe Pa, & Destroy the building where the rapes are known to have taken place.

If SMU got the death penalty for what they turned their heads about & allowed to happen years ago, then Penn St should too.

Allow the players to transfer to another Division 1 program & allow them 1 more season of eligibility.

They deserve to play in a program that is not going be tarnished & under scrutiny for what some sick bastards did & enabled to happen for all those years.

I know there are a lot of people from outside PA posting in this thread. I don't know how much this angle has been covered nationally, but the current governor of Pennsylvania -- Tom Corbett -- has some eye-opening involvement with this case. Corbett was the state attorney general of Pennsylvania investigating Sandusky before putting the case on the backburner to run for governor.

During his run for governor, Corbett took $650,000 in donations from board members of the Second Mile. After being elected governor in November 2010, Corbett approved a $3 million expansion grant for the Second Mile, despite knowing that the head of the Second Mile was likely a pedophile. During the time Corbett was running for governor, he assigned just one investigator to the Sandusky case. By comparison, current Pennsylvania A.G. Linda Kelly had a staff of eight employees working on the Sandusky case.

For anyone looking to run for Governor of Pennsylvania, bringing down Penn State football and Joe Paterno would have been caqreer suicide prior to a state-wide election.

Here are a couple of excellent, very informative, articles that talk about Governor Tom Corbett's inolvement with the entire situation. The ESPN article is especially lengthy, but it does a great job of laying out the particulars, as well as the various political grudges and conflicts of interest, for someone not living in Pennsylvania.

The article in The Nation talks mostly about Corbett's foot-dragging and possible negligence.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7770996/in-wake-joe-paterno-death-sandusky-sex-abuse-scandal-power-struggle-spread-penn-state-state-capital

http://www.thenation.com/blog/168560/sanduskys-crimes-and-governor-corbetts-negligence

took this from another board, but this "American Pie" parody is just amazing.


PENNSYLVANIA PIE

A long, long time ago
I can still remember how that JoePa used to make me smile
And, I knew if I had my chance that "We are Penn State!" I would chant,
and...
Maybe I'd be happy for a while
But, last November made me shiver, with each newspaper they'd deliver
Bad news on the doorstep - were kids raped while JoePa slept?
I can't remember if I cried when I read about his baleful pride,
but
Something touched me deep inside, I knew Paterno lied

So, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

Did you know our team we love, and do you have faith in Joe, above
If cheerleaders tell you so
Now, do you believe in New Year's bowls, can football save your mortal soul? And...
Can I wear a rubber mask of Joe?
Well, I know we can't speak truth of him, 'cause I saw the students rioting
His team wore old black shoes - so no way he'd allow abuse!
I was a bitter Lion fan with pluck, clinging to God, to guns and my pickup truck, but...
I knew I was out of luck. You see, Paterno lied

I started singing, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

Now, for six months we've been on our own, with no JoePa 'round to set our tone, but...
That's not how it used to be
When Sandusky coached such tenacious D, his "retirement" was a mystery
Or then so it seemed to you and me, and
While Joe said nothing strange went down, as Jerry brought more boys around
The courtroom was adjourned - a verdict was returned
While the foreman read out Jerry's guilt, what of Joe's statue that we built?
Like old Joe Stalin's, will it tilt, because Paterno lied?

We were singing, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

Helter, skelter, Joe's commands we knelt for - the East we fled for the Big Ten's shelter
Midwest schools where we're mis-cast
We've landed far from our past
Now athletes beat students en masse, and JoePa, on the sidelines, gives a pass
Now, his "discipline" was sweet perfume, "run steps" to Blue Band marching tunes
Triponey took a stance, oh, but she never got the chance
'Cause the whole school was Joe's practice field - on that he just refused to yield
Do you recall what Freeh revealed, the ways Paterno lied.

We started singing, Bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they hid, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

And, now put yourself in Joe's place - a geriatric saving face
With no time left to start again
So, come on, Joe be nimble, Joe be quick - upstairs the info Joe did kick, cause...
He'd later "talk" with Curley, his good friend
Though Joe's spin doctors take the stage, the victims fuel good people's rage,
No four-hundred-nine wins, absolve such monstrous sins
And, as they cried excuses through the night, to try to prove their idol right, I saw...
Satan laughing with delight. He knows Paterno lied

He was singing, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

I met a boy in white and blue, and I asked him for some happy news
He just frowned and turned away
I went down to Beaver field once more, where I'd heard the cheering years before, but...
The man there said the cheering went away
In Joe's locker-room the children screamed, their mothers cried, yet no help was seen, for...
Not a word was spoken - State's alarm bells all were broken
And the three men I admired most: Joe the Father, Joe the Coach, Joe of Pious Boasts, he...
"reported up" and drank a toast. Yes, Joe Paterno lied.

And, they were singing, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie,
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

Yes, they were singing, bye bye Miss Pennsylvania Pie
Asked their knowledge at State College, but their knowledge they did hide, and
Them good ol' boys they were wearin' blue and white ties, singing...
Joe's a saint, he would never lie

Let me just add that on a personal level, I know I shouldn't feel sad for Paterno given the context of the Freeh report. But as someone that lives in Pennsylvania and has believed in the larger than life aura of Paterno for all of my 39 years, I am pretty devestated by the Freeh report. My two favorite sports personalities of my lifetime have been Dale Earnhardt and Joe Paterno, and the end of each of them left me questioning why I allow myself to become emotionally invested in sports at all.

Nine months ago, there was probably no one in sports more unlikely to be involved in a scandal like this than Paterno. Just from scouring various team boards, I am struck by how much other fanbases claim a Penn St. situation could never happen there. Any college program that has an iconic coach that has been there for decades is going to have a "Cult of Personality" to one extent or another.

When the stakes are that high, I think a similar cover-up in any sports program or organization is far more likely than many people want to admit. This is in no way any kind of excuse or justification, but if Sandusky had not started abusing kids from a local school district, the scandal and the Penn St. cover-up never would have come to light. That is a scary realization to know that such a monstrous pedophile was completely concealed by a major university, and only exposed because Sandusky got careless with his abuse.

Even the guidance counselor at the local school district initially did not believe the victim and school administrators tried to talk the victim out of making an accusation because Sandusky was viewed as a saint for his work with children.

I can't see any way in the world that the statue will stay up. The outrage nationally is just too overwhelming for that to happen. If the statue remains up, it seems like a 100 percent chance that it will be vandalized at some point. I know University police have been standing guard by the staue since that Freeh report was released, but that's not going to go on forever.

You mean kinda like how the Catholic church took a hardline stance on pedophile priests and turned them over to authorities? This is no justification or any kind of support of Paterno or the PSU administrators, but your claim that other businesses or large entities would have obviously done the moral thing seems hugely misguided based on past history. As I wrote earlier, when the stakes are that high, people will do monstrous things for the sake of protecting their job or money or personal reputation.

Is somebody trying to change the subject here with the usual weak personal attack, awww, lol. It won't work, the stats I use when exposing your beloved/overrated Posse are similiar to what this report found, sorry about the reality, Again....

Time to break this thread up with another joke...

(Q)What does a caution light and mwilaski have in common...?...?...?...

(A)Their both yellow... ;)

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The Catholic Church is NOT a business (last time I checked anyhow) and I did not mention them any where in my reply. Also in my reply did I not mention 'large' businesses. PSU will survive as a college and a large corporation would survive such a scandal. I also wrote 'owner' Larger business do not have an owner they have stockholders. XYZ Auto Body or ABC Pizzeria operated as a non franchised single business (with an owner, not stockholders) in a town, city or county that were shown to have ignored, covered up or 'looked the other way' for years while a key employee plied his sexual perversion on vulnerable children (male or female) would not survive as the p.r. nightmare would destroy their customer base past or future.