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It's completetly obvious to anyone following closely that "blame the dead guy" is the strategy being used by the BOT. Remember how unpopular their decision to fire Joe was?If any of you actually read the freeh report, you'd see that the "eveidence" of Paterno's guilt is vague at best and looks like a huge reach to any rational thinking person. The thing that's the most ridiculous to me is that I hear so many people say that Joe was the most powerful man on campus, State college and even the whole state of Pennsylvania. While it's true Joepa was a popular and beloved figure, he didn't have any legal power whatsoever. How the hell is he supposed to hold Sandusky accountable? Because he supposedly knew that Sandusky was molesting children as far back as '98 even though the Centre county DA dismissed the charges for lack of evidenece, even though state attorney general Tom Corbett also investigated Sandusky and found nothing? There's no proof that Joe even knew of the charges let alone that he knew proof positive that Sandusky was a pedophile. He did report the 2001 incident that Mcqeary witnessed to Shultz who as university VP was also head of campus police, apparently making Paterno the only person who reported anything. I think a lot of people are confusing Joe Pa's popularity with power, of which he had none when it comes to legal matters. The man is only a football coach.
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This article sums up the Freeh report best, lynch mob mentality...http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2012/07/15/opinion/doc50022e6ab0246499824761.txt?viewmode=fullstory
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Please,everyone needs to read "sins of the father" written by ESPN columnist Rick Reilly,it will truly open your eyes as to just what Joe Paterno and Sandusky were all about,great article short and precise.
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I read every single piece Mr. Reilly writes and he is one of the most awarded sports writers in history.
Here is what precedes the article;
RICK REILLYFooled By A LegendJoe Paterno once seemed "good and decent." Now we know better...
What a fool I was.
In 1986, I spent a week in State College, Pa., researching a 10-page Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year piece on Joe Paterno.
It was supposed to be a secret, but one night the phone in my hotel room rang. It was a Penn State professor, calling out of the blue.
"Are you here to take part in hagiography?" he said.
"What's hagiography?" I asked.
'The study of saints," he said. "You're going to be just like the rest, aren't you? You're going to make Paterno out to be a saint. You don't know him. He'll do anything to win. What you media are doing is dangerous."
Jealous egghead, I figured.
What an idiot I was. Twenty-five years later, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was accused of a 15-year reign of pedophilia on young boys, I thought Paterno was too old and too addled to understand, too grandfatherly and Catholic to get that Sandusky was committing grisly crimes using Paterno's own football program as bait.
But I was wrong. Paterno knew. He knew all about it. He'd known for years. He knew and he followed it vigilantly.
That's all clear now after Penn State's own investigator, former FBI director Louis Freeh, came out Thursday and hung the whole disgusting canvas on a wall for us. Showed us the emails, read us the interviews, shined a black light on all of the lies they left behind. It cost $6.5 million and took eight months and the truth it uncovered was 100 times uglier than the bills.
Paterno knew about a mother's cry that Sandusky had molested her son in 1998. Later, Paterno lied to a grand jury and said he didn't. Paterno and university president Graham Spanier and vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley all knew what kind of sick coach they had on the payroll in Sandusky. Schultz had pertinent questions. "Is this opening of pandora's box?" he wrote in personal notes on the case. "Other children?" "Sexual improprieties?"
It gets worse. According to Freeh, Spanier, Schultz and Curley were set to call child services on Sandusky in February 2001 until Paterno apparently talked them out of it. Curley wasn't "comfortable" going to child services after that talk with JoePa.
Yeah, that's the most important thing, your comfort.
What'd they do instead? Alerted nobody. Called nobody. And let Sandusky keep leading his horrific tours around campus. "Hey, want to see the showers?" That sentence alone ought to bring down the statue.
What a stooge I was.
I talked about Paterno's "true legacy" in all of this. Here's his true legacy: Paterno let a child molester go when he could've stopped him. He let him go and then lied to cover his sinister tracks. He let a rapist go to save his own recruiting successes and fundraising pitches and big-fish-small-pond hide.
Here's a legacy for you. Paterno's cowardice and ego and fears allowed Sandusky to molest at least eight more boys in the years after that 1998 incident -- Victims 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10. Just to recap: By not acting, a grown man failed to protect eight boys from years of molestation, abuse and self-loathing, all to save his program the embarrassment. The mother of Victim 1 is "filled with hatred toward Joe Paterno," the victim's lawyer says. "She just hates him, and reviles him." Can you blame her?
What a sap I was.
I hope Penn State loses civil suits until the walls of the accounting office cave in. I hope that Spanier, Schultz and Curley go to prison for perjury. I hope the NCAA gives Penn State the death penalty it most richly deserves. The worst scandal in college football history deserves the worst penalty the NCAA can give. They gave it to SMU for winning without regard for morals. They should give it to Penn State for the same thing. The only difference is, at Penn State they didn't pay for it with Corvettes. They paid for it with lives.
What a chump I was.
I tweeted that, yes, Paterno should be fired, but that he was, overall, "a good and decent man." I was wrong. Good and decent men don't do what Paterno did. Good and decent men protect kids, not rapists. And to think Paterno comes from "father" in Italian.
This throws a can of black paint on anything anybody tells me about Paterno from here on in. "No NCAA violations in all those years." I believe it. He was great at hiding stuff. "He gave $4 million to the library." In exchange for what? "He cared about kids away from the football field." No, he didn't. Not all of them. Not when it really mattered.
What a tool I was.
As Joe Paterno lay dying, I actually felt sorry for him. Little did I know he was taking all of his dirty secrets to the grave. Nine days before he died, he had The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins in his kitchen. He could've admitted it then. Could've tried a simple "I'm sorry." But he didn't. Instead, he just lied deeper. Right to her face. Right to all of our faces.
That professor was right, all those years ago. I was engaging in hagiography. So was that school. So was that town. It was dangerous. Turns out it builds monsters.
Not all of them ended up in prison
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Spencer: Freeh Report is full of assumptionsGil Spencer
That, however, is not all the report says.
It accuses four men, Paterno, Athletic Director Tim Curley, V.P. Gary Schultz and President Graham Spanier, of knowing for years that Jerry Sandusky was a sexual predator and failing to stop him.
It accuses them of a “reckless and shocking disregard” for the safety and welfare of children. And the media has accepted this verdict as if it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
But how about this? How about a few more people actually read the report? All of it.
Because it is chock full of assumptions, suppositions, characterizations, and conclusions, some of which should cause any reasonable person, at least, a few minutes pause.
The silliest assumption in this thing is that former Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary told everyone involved in this sorry situation the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That is, as opposed to some shaded, vague, bastardized version of what he witnessed that night when he saw Jerry Sandusky and a young boy in the shower of the Lasch building locker room. Continued...
The Sandusky jury didn’t find McQueary’s testimony credible enough for him to be found guilty of this particular offense. But that didn’t seem to give Freeh a moment’s hesitation for the purpose of finding Paterno and the others guilty of their wanton and hateful negligence. He consistently refers to McQueary’s story as if it is and was a proven fact. It is not. That story will be tested again at Schultz’s and Curley’s perjury trial next year.
For the purpose of convicting Sandusky, McQueary was a bit player. But he will have to be the star witness against Schultz and Curley. We’ll see how his story holds up.
Freeh’s conclusion that Paterno, Schultz, Curley and Spanier conspired to “conceal” evidence of Sandusky’s guilt presupposes they actually knew for a fact Sandusky was a sexual predator.
Not that they had reason to suspect or legitimate concerns — but knew.
Based on Freeh’s conclusions, here is what the rest of us are supposed to believe: That Joe Paterno and the others knew that Jerry Sandusky was a pedophile and that he was raping children in the showers of Penn State locker rooms. And that they didn’t care. We should believe that Paterno and the others intentionally and willfully conspired to keep Sandusky’s rapes and other molestations secret because they were worried about “bad publicity” for the university and its football program.
Well, that’s one possibility. But there is another. And that is: The men involved in this awful situation simply didn’t quite believe, despite what they were told (or not told), that Jerry Sandusky was a child-molesting monster.
As the statement of the Paterno family said:
“Joe Paterno wasn’t perfect. He made mistakes and he regretted them. He is still the only leader to step forward and say that with the benefit of hindsight he wished he had done more. To think, however, that he would have protected Jerry Sandusky to avoid bad publicity is simply not realistic. If Joe Paterno had understood what Sandusky was, a fear of bad publicity would not have factored into his actions.”
Well, call me a naive, Penn State-loving, Paterno idolater but, based on what I now know about the facts of this case and the people involved in it, that sounds about right.
The fact is, before this scandal broke, I couldn’t give two serious craps about Penn State or Joe Paterno. I didn’t follow or care about his football program and I still don’t. But lynch mobs offend me and so do people who leap to conclusions for the purpose of engaging in character assassination. Continued...
It strikes me that based on the very facts included in his report, Louie Freeh could have come to a different, less harsh and more reasonable conclusion. One that took into account that hindsight is always 20-20, but that it is easy for well-meaning people to misread situations as events are unfolding.
Like most pedophiles who go undetected for years, Sandusky was a terrific liar.
As the Paterno family points out, “He fooled everyone — law enforcement, his family, coaches, players, neighbors, university officials and everyone at the Second Mile.” And that is true.
What is not true, (or, at least, not proven) is that any of these men knew for a fact or in their hearts of hearts that Sandusky was a child molester. No one, that is, except for Mike McQueary.
The others may have had reason to suspect but they didn’t know. McQueary, by his own testimony, did.
He is now suing the university under the state Whistleblower Act for putting him on leave and allegedly ruining his reputation.
He has publicly proclaimed that “I did the right thing.” He admits to no wrongdoing, though he does admit to bolting from the scene of a crime and leaving a naked 10-year-old boy alone in the company of his 58-year-old attacker.
If anyone — besides Sandusky — is to directly blame for this boy never being identified, found or helped it is McQueary.
Not Paterno. Not Curley. Not Schultz. Not Spanier.
McQueary. Continued...
And what did Louie Freeh have to say about that in his report? Nothing.
Instead, he pointed his finger at a dead man and three others who have already been either fired or indicted. He said they didn’t care a whit about Sandusky victims, presupposing that they truly knew that such victims actually existed.
Why? Why did Freeh impute such low and evil motives on the part of these men without the goods to back it up? Well, maybe he didn’t want to face the “bad publicity” that would have come from a howling media horde yelling “white-wash.”
Instead, with his findings, Freeh virtually guaranteed he would be praised and celebrated for his supposedly brave and scathing truth telling.
But I say a brave man would have recognized the context in which all these mistakes and decisions were made. A brave man would have resisted the urge to play to a media mob hungry for what’s left of Joe Paterno’s reputation. A brave man would have looked at this evidence and been more circumspect in his conclusions.
But not Louie Freeh. Not at Penn State.
The tragedy continues.
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Wow, could you play the violins any louder that this is in no way any fault of Penn States or the men that tried to make sure it never hit the light of day. Its all actually Mike McQueary's fault, I didn't realize that. I'm so glad that I've now been told this.
We get it Holden, you are such a dyed in the wool Penn State fan that even if a picture surfaced of Jerry Sandusky having sex with one of these boys and JoePa is in the background giving a thumbs up you would somehow convince yourself or be convinced by the writing of another Penn State sympathizer that it just isn't true or running damage control and saying well its not as bad as it looks.
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Gil Spencer, that's the best you got? He is a blogger from Delaware County Pennsylvania, I couldn't find anything else out about the guy he is that insignificant.
As for sportswriters who have said even tougher and more harsh things about Joe all you have to do is go to ESPN.com and you can read some interesting columns by Howard Bryant, Gene Wojciechowsk, JayBilas and many others. Unless you've been a cave in the last week you might have heard a little public condemnation as well, there is no sense trying to protect the dead guy, he's done, again....
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on July 14 2012 at 12:18:28 PM
Bullshit! Everyone that was involved with the crimes or cover-up of the crimes WILL be prosecuted if found guilty. No one that is guilty is getting away with anything here. If it's all about money, then why wouldn't having the university donate all football revenue to charity(which they've actually done a lot of so far)for a few years be a fitting punsihment? That would benefit a lot of people. No, that's not enough because this has become more about hate and wanting to shut down a football rival moreso than helping the kids. How is shutting down the football program or punishing the entire school as you suggest gonna help the kids? If this happened at your school, I'm sure you'd feel different so fuck you and the high horse you rode in on.
Forcing the student athletes and coches to transfer instead of going to school where they chose to would be unnecessary punishment of the innocent that would accomplish nothing other than appeasing the PSU haters.
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I don't really have a school. Favorite team is OU - but I wouldnt feel any different if this happened there.
In a sense, I think you raise some fair points. No - suspending PSU football does not help the victims. You're right about that. But it was all in the name of that glory and the money that it generated that this even happened. It seems a lot of people paint a picture of Paterno being the reason that so many feared coming forward - but that's not why University officials went so far to not deal with it. They didn't want any negative exposure.
It appears to me that scores of people covered this up and even more downplayed it - and it was all in the name of the immense power, tradition, and revenue stream of the football program. For that - yes I feel the program should be nixed for a good while. I think your point is valid in that no - it is definitely not fair to the people there now.
The precedent has been set for this when programs received the so called "death penalty" for mass finanicial schemes and inproprieties (SMU). Well this wasn't pay for play schemes - this was molesting kids and a lot of people had various extent of knowledge about it and did nothing.
There already should be another team easily facing the death penalty too - Miami Hurricanes. They did the exact same thing SMU did and possibly to an even bigger degree. So with the precedent being set in many past punishments - I think Miami's program should be suspended a year and Penn State's about five. That's my opinion. Although I think Penn State's punishment will come a heck of a lot faster than Miami's - for the obvious reasons. And I do think they will give them the "death penalty". It's been proposed and talked about so much since the Freeh Report - it's nearly impossible not to dish out the death penalty now. I say that because take the worst punishment's being talked about - and I think that will be similar to what will happen because NOBODY wants to look soft on THIS punishment. I agree with you that it screws a lot of people that had nothing to do with it, but had scores of PSU officials showed just an inkling of decency - none of this would be happening. There would still be the monster, but dozens less victims and implicit accomplices.
I don't see how any of this is "PSU hating". I've never "hated" Penn State. In fact, of all Big Ten teams I probably liked them the most. liked Paterno. liked their basketball program and how they fight hard to make the basketball tournament every year (with much less talent than the other teams in the conference). Forget the school - I don't have it out for them. But the people involved in this that were so either morally corrupt or just weak, including Paterno - there is no excuse. The glory of Nittany Lion football should not be so profound when one of their assistance coaches rapes dozens of kids and a big swath of the program pretty much knew and looked the other way. If we don't agree - oh well - agree to disagree.
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I seldom agree with anything Steven A Smith says on ESPN , but I do in this situation.
Remove the Statue of Joe Pa, & Destroy the building where the rapes are known to have taken place.
If SMU got the death penalty for what they turned their heads about & allowed to happen years ago, then Penn St should too.
Allow the players to transfer to another Division 1 program & allow them 1 more season of eligibility.
They deserve to play in a program that is not going be tarnished & under scrutiny for what some sick bastards did & enabled to happen for all those years.
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totally agree.
And I think this is probably pretty close to what will happen.
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The articles shared by MSPN and Holden pretty much sum it all up.
Couldn't even make it through yours Holden. You're a mindless tool who will need a tissue when they bring that statue down (and probably a sedative when they gut the football program too).
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No matter who is guilty of what This thing was blown in the first investigation when the police knew of it and couldn't make a case. Everyone acts likes this thing was a big secret kept in the years between that time and the second investigation. Fact is people just don't pay attention to what is going on the world around them. When this thing first broke last fall everyone was acting as if it was news. Hell I am just a farmer from two counties away from State College and when this broke last fall I sad " I can't believe know one remembers this from the first go around". Believe it or not, more than a few men have been falsely accused of sexual crimes. This obviously isn't one of those cases but when the police couldn't make a case the first time these guys might have been thinking we can't keep hounding someone with false accusations. The one guy I fault most is Mike McQuery.it seems he knew for sure. When witnessed the boy in the showers being abused he was only a few years from being a starting quarter back of a division I college football team. He was in good enough shape to kick a man Sandusky's ages ass and take the boy to the police. Case closed end of story and abuse. And don't use the excuse of him being just a kid and not knowing what to do he was I think 28, that is old enough to know what to do in a case like this.
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Hey All knowing MSPN--In case ya havent kept up on the latest, Mr. Freeh is being investigated for a major coverup in the FBI! Do some research and check it out instead of watching it on the News. He sounds like the perfect fit for the PSU BoT to do their "internal investigation". They all can go to hell!
The TRUTH will come out!
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He was hand-picked by PSU, he was 'your' man for the job, lol. By careful for what you ask for, you just might get it, oops. Longtimefan has one of the better posts on this thread just above this...
PS The truth has come out, sorry 'bout your luck and I am not anti PSU, some of the oldies from around here will confirm that my Daughter had looked into the possibility of going there about a decade ago, I was somewhat surprised at the time....
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I don't hate PSU, but I look at it this way.
Did Paterno, Curley, etc., etc. know 100% for sure that Sandusky was a scumbag child molester?
No they didn't (unless they witnessed something like McQuery says he did). However, by having the suspicion that he was yet allowing him free reign over the athletic complex (including an OFFICE) after his "retirement" ENABLED Sandusky to rape more innocent children on THEIR watch.
To me, this is more damning than anything. If I even suspected someone that works for me was a child molester, I sure as He## am not going to give them a place to do it. If anything, I'm gonna report them to the authorities, fire them (I live in a right to work state, so I can fire anyone for any reason, I don't have to tell them why) tell them that he's been barred from my place of business and that they should have someone with an eye on him at all times.
Obviously his wife, Paterno, Curley, etc., etc. all KNEW or SUSPECTED something, yet they all chose to ENABLE him rather than to CONFRONT him.
To me, the best message the NCAA could send would be to BAR every single Coach (including assistants), adminstrator, athletic department official, and Professors that had ANY knowledge yet chose to not report it to the authorities from EVER teaching/working in College again (and I think every school district in the Nation should follow suit).
It is and always SHOULD BE about the VICTIMS and how to PREVENT this from ever happening again. If that means sending a message of SEVERE PUNISHMENT to the Universities (and those in the coaching profession, so be it).
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As usual...the folks from PA haven't a clue!
THE NCAA HAS SPOKEN!!!
NCAA issues sanctions on Penn State. The death penalty was not issued so football should be played in State College this year. The penalties issued include a:
• Four-year postseason ban
• $60 million fine on the PSU
• Reduction of 10 scholarships per season for the next four years
• Vacation of wins from 1998-2011 (111 wins) - Joe Paterno record is now 298-136-3; dropping him to fifth on FBS all-time list
• Allowance for players to transfer and play immediately for other schools
• Athletic department on probation for five years
so basically the slow death plan! and the ultimate FU death penalty to the "legend" himself!
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This, by no means, makes up for the mental and physical abuse that was hidden by Penn State, nor does it help the victims, but maybe it will go a long way in sending a message that what was done, or NOT done, was wrong. To put the integrity of the Football program ahead of all these boys futures, was absolutely wrong, and now, at least someone, something is going to pay. And kudo's for stripping JoePa of these wins. I couldn't be happier, but you watch, there will be people defending this idiot. Too bad he is dead, he cannot rightfully PAY for what he DID NOT do.......
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Big 10 just announced that they are inelgible for bowl $$ from the conference for 4 years as well (~15 million per year).
NCAA didn't give the the death penalty, but they might as well have, any GREAT player will not go to Penn State IMO due to the inability to play post-season games, win a Big 10 Championship, and more importantly, reduction of scholarships. With football injuries, those scholarships will hurt more than the $$ does, Instead of 2-3 back-ups for every position, some will be 1 and no back-ups.
Glad to see the Big 10 had some ba##s and basically sent a message to all it's member institutions. Cover something up and you lose the Big 10 $$, too. And that $$ amount is bound to continue to increase every year with the new championship format in the coming seasons.
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I agree that witnesses of Sandusky's abuse against children and not speaking up about it are just as guilty as Sandusky himself. So I have no problem with removing JoePa's statue and destroying his legacy. There is absolutely no excuse or reason for any of these actions. Completely disgusting and vulgar.
However, it is completely unfair to the current, innocent student athletes who had nothing to do with all this mayhem and now have to suffer from it. This is NOT a football issue nor it has anything to do with the attending students. Because ultimately, in the end, that's who suffers from these punishments.
$60 million. Really NCAA??? Congratulations, all you greedy dickheads.
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You are a complete moron. Who, in your opinion is/are the greedy dickheads? The NCAA? All fines and moneies that would have been gained by the University before these sanctions are being forwarded to organizations to help abuse victims, not to the NCAA. I agree that you cannot punish the current players etc. but what else can you do. Oh, you are okay, you are okay, you are not. It is a blanket punishment, AND, if someone would have done something about this back in 98 or so, this would have been resolved, and there would have been fewer assaults on the innocent victims, but nothing was done, so it is what it is.
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This message was edited on
July 23, 2012 at
01:29:01 PM by WoOSprint514
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Posted By: maddog53 on July 23 2012 at 01:15:11 PM
You are a complete moron. Who, in your opinion is/are the greedy dickheads? The NCAA? All fines and moneies that would have been gained by the University before these sanctions are being forwarded to organizations to help abuse victims, not to the NCAA. I agree that you cannot punish the current players etc. but what else can you do. Oh, you are okay, you are okay, you are not. It is a blanket punishment, AND, if someone would have done something about this back in 98 or so, this would have been resolved, and there would have been fewer assaults on the innocent victims, but nothing was done, so it is what it is.
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No, you are a complete moron if you don't think someone or a few people in the NCAA now have heavier pockets. $60 million. Think about it.
So until I see it on the news, or written and signed in paper somewhere that it's going to charitable child abuse organizations, then I will be comfortable with that.
But until then, $60 million is quite a bit of green to just float and throw around.
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After all, the conclusions Freeh reached about the culpability of Penn State officials are being accepted by the mainstream media as if they had been carved in stone by God Himself.
But Louie Freeh is no more God, than Joe Paterno is … or was.
He is a lawyer hired to be a fact-finder by Penn State University in the wake of one of the worst scandals ever to hit a major American university. A scandal involving a sexual predator who administration officials should have been able to stop in his tracks years ago but didn’t.