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Some people won't be happy unless the winner comes from 10th or worst & if at least 3-4 cars are battling for the lead & at least one driver starting from 20th or worst makes it to at least 7th. Oh and the winner has to be someone they like. If those things don't happen then the track crew didn't prep that track correctly, the sanctioning body's format sucks, the team/driver cheated, or the winner wasn't handicapped enough.  

I watched the race on dirt vision & while it wasn't the best ever or one that I will talk about it 20 years from now, it wasn't the worst I have seen either. 

 I was always a Rahmer fan over Dewease, but I appreciate what I am seeing and realize that I may never see something like it again.   Hell, I'm not even from PA, I had to drive 3 hours to see that race last night.  I felt the same way watching a "washed up" Rahmer win his last National Open and WG championship, and a 'washed up" Stevie Smith spank everybody in Rahmer's car for 2-3 years.   

Krietz having two cars together has nothing to do with how much "funding' they can commit.  It has to do with how much time and money they are willing to spend building cars.  They have committed to a part time schedule and only build for that schedule: something that is entirely up to them.  This year, they obviously want to run a few more places so they decided to have an extra car together prior to the season.

I find it funny that you have a long standing and well documented hatred of Dewease, but I am the biased one.  Also, just in case you weren't sure how this works, if you are going to accuse a team of being illegal cheaters, you now have taken on the burden of proof to provide evidence.  If not, you are just a blowhard that has a personal issue.  
One issue with a front tire in Time Trials, one time, does not a cheater make.

Sprint car racing is not a big world, if they were really cheating in a way that can be named, the first people to call them out would be their competitors who are losing to them....I haven't seen that happening.  And don't tell me that their competitors are afraid to do it, because they don't have anything to hold over their competitors heads (unless the competitors are cheating too).  Krietz offered anyone who was willing to put their money on the line, the opportunity to tear down the car: guess what, no takers. 

Well said. Dream Team's winning percentage has to be the best in sprint car racing anywhere.

Only thing I disagree with is:  "I would have considered him only better than average"..... Takes a lot more than that to reach the Hall of Fame. He's been winning for years in plenty of different cars

I'm going Saturday, 5 hr. drive...

My first race since Chili Bowl

Woohoo!!!

10-4. First Grove race for me and my middle daughter this year as well. Been a tough one with all the rain. 

If you think he is only a good driver, look up the video from susquehanna when Logan shuchart ran over his front end  crushing the front wing and he went on to win with it sticking straight out the front.  Even Davey said in the interview, I dont know how he drove that thing.  Or watch the video when his top wing collapsed at the grove and he held deitrich and hodnett off to win.  Or watch the video from the July outlaw race last year when he out drove schatz and out smarted him.  Very smart with the car and where to be.  Much more than average or good.  Or go to port for the tuscarora 50 and listen to him save tires when everyone else is spinning them and wearing them out.  The only other driver I ever heard saving tires (no screaming engine off the corner) in that race was schatz last year.  You put one of the best ever (arguable the best ever) mechanics with one of the best ever drivers and this is the results you get.  Same as with Wolfgang but he was probably just a "good" driver too.

He beat the WoO and flat out beat Donny Schatz in the Dietz #14. That alone should speak volumes for his ability to drive. He's not just good, he's great. One of the best there ever was in a region where local talent has been among the best for decades. One other thing, through the majority of his career, he raced against the likes of Fred Rahmer, Todd Shaffer, Greg Hodnett, Don Kreitz Jr., Cris Eash, Keith Kauffman, Jeff Shepard ect. He put up those numbers racing weekly against all those others who if you look at the history of Central PA, pretty much rewrote the record books. The 90's and 2000's were probably the toughest era in the history of this region as far as competition is concerned. How many more wins and championships would he have if Rahmer, Shaffer, Hodnett or any of the other heavy hitters back then had never raced here? The numbers don't lie. He's one of the best ever. Period. Even if he'd retired after running the 14 car and never turned a lap in the 69K, he'd still be considered one of the best ever and there's no disputing it.

He never won an outlaw race in the 14 or 27, In fact, he downright sucked in those cars and even in the final years of the 30c. 

I'll bet you 10 million dollars that he won a WoO show at Williams Grove in the Dietz 14. It was in 2014 and it was the Summer Nationals and I was there. He flat out beat Schatz. Donny finished second.

I think Marks was in the top 3 that night too.  That's the one that ran really late because of rain.

Correct. Lance drove a hell of a race that night. Donny took several shots but couldn't get by him. 

I totally forgot about that. still doesn’t change the fact that he sucked in the years prior to the 69k. He took a car capable of winning anywhere it Went (27) and only wom i believe at Big Diamond. Stevie Smith did the exact same thing Dewease is doing now with Rahmer, if Hodnett was still alive I think he would’ve been the next to do it 

Meh, we'll just have to agree to disagree on "sucked". Was it up to his past performances? No. But, in 2014 he did win at all four Central PA tracks (WG, Lincoln, Port, and Susky) which, I think, showed his talent.

Something that hasn't been mentioned at least not that I noticed for years was the CLASS of Lance Dewease.  Fewer drivers are more humble, easy going and all around friendly with the peeps.  It's been a long time since I saw a dozen or so races every year in PA but he was also so good with the fans, the media and anyone else in the pits.  Mr. Kreitz is a bit different and I do not know the superstar behind the wrench at all but these guys are full value for everything they earn and yes I also would like to see them trek out to Knoxville but c'est la vie.....

No doubt about it, the 69k team has their PA tracks dialed in. I had a get together here at the house Wed night and at about lap 14 or so I told the group that Dewease had the race won. I watched as close as any of us could and when there were shots of Lance wheeling the car, his arms were barely moving coming through the corners and the car was on a string. The car had very little rear tire slide and was driving as straight as a slot car. Regardless, it takes a skilled driver to feel that confident in a car, and to wheel it like Lance does. He does the same at Williams Grove. Lance rarley if ever spoils a good drive when he has a car under him capable of winning. Now, could the 69k team do the same thing on the road?(brace your selves) Yes I believe they could run up front consistantly. They would need to be dedicated to the road, have a matching budget to the top teams and remain patient enough for the experience to be there. Unfortuneatly that's why those reasons are why it won't happen. So POSSE fans should be proud when a local beats the Outlaws at home. Back in the day we had a few drivers that were doing the same thing at Husets, Jackson and Knoxville. Not happening these days. I may have shocked a few of you with this post :)    But first of all I'm a sprint car fan and there's no denying what's happening with the 69k team and the Outlaws at the PA tracks. The Outlaws know going in they have to beat the 69k. I'd love to see the 69k team make the Nationals in Knoxville. And I'll go one better, they'd be one of the teams I'd be rooting for. Lance, Donnie and Davey Sr have dedicated their lives to sprint car racing. How could a real fan not root for them?!         

Well said. I'm a 76er fan in basketball & hated Larry Bird until the day he retired. Then I loved him.... if you love hoops, you gotta love Bird

Respect where respect is due....

The threads like this just make me shake my head.  I know I shouldn't even bother reading them but I get sucked in.

Don't know anyone on the 69K team, but as an observer it looks like they have something pretty special going on.  Strong enough motor and obviously the right set ups, they have been able to win some big races, beat the WoO and consistently run up front in PA.  Haven't seen any proof that they are cheating to do so, at least no more than anyone else!  Give them some respect, they have earned it.

As far as getting off the porch, they can if they want to or they can stay right where they are.  Makes it a little tougher to argue that they are the best team out there since they are only running PA area races, but I haven't seen where anyone from the 69K team is claiming to be the best out there.  Personally I think they would struggle at Knoxville since they don't have the laps there like many others do, but they could surprise everyone.  Maybe we will find out if they get that Priority Aviation sponsorship and they can get time off work or whatever to get to Knoxville this year.

Enjoy racing more and argue less.

I’ll have to study my Posse logic handbook but does only 3 Posse in the top 10 tonight constitute an ass whooping? 

Well you could say they swept the top 2. haha

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My pick for tonight is still Lance, but Gravel and Pittman look fast and if Schatz can qualify he could be in the mix.