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MIDDLEFINGER
May 16, 2019 at 08:42:54 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0EHPpAsVHI&feature=em-uploademail



steelcityguy
May 16, 2019 at 09:10:59 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on May 16 2019 at 08:36:45 AM

Like I said in other post...you start the 69k in the top 4 rows.  He has a very good chance of winning.  Lincoln is the best  track in central Pa....by far.  It also has the best surface in central pa. If the track was that bad how was Smith going to pass him?  I watched the highlights and the track looked fine to me..  Go posse!!!

 



As per usual Strawser, you comment on a race from the comfort of your couch.  I was there, the racing sucked, the track was crap and there was little passing except for Smith and Stewart.  Of course among those passed by the #5 were about four or five cars that got in minor accidents and went to the back soooooo.  Smith was the only one making the high side work at both ends of the track, where pretty much no one else could.  So yeah, watching Dewease slot car it around the bottom sucked, as it usually does.  Most of the night it was a one groove track and if you went out of that groove you were screwed.  The feature had about a lane and a half that you could run but that went away eventually.  And Lincoln has NOT been the best surface in Pa all year. You are only saying that because you constantly bash the other track, which you never go to anyway, lol.  Pretty much week in and week out, the track that you constantly bash, has drivers raving over it. But as usual, you know better, even though you never go, lol 



SprintFan16
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May 16, 2019 at 09:32:35 AM
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Kind of agree on the track. Locked down during heats and then got very slick outside of the bottom in the A. 

If Gravel could have held the bottom better, it'd be hard for anyone (even the 69K) to pass him. Unfortunately he missed it in a big way a few times and was hung out to dry.



shernernum
May 16, 2019 at 10:07:16 AM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on May 16 2019 at 09:32:35 AM

Kind of agree on the track. Locked down during heats and then got very slick outside of the bottom in the A. 

If Gravel could have held the bottom better, it'd be hard for anyone (even the 69K) to pass him. Unfortunately he missed it in a big way a few times and was hung out to dry.



And yet Smith passed almost everybody on the top



wolfie2985
May 16, 2019 at 10:07:55 AM
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Even if you are not the biggest 69K fan, appreciate what you are seeing here. 

Right up there with the best teams of all time. And it doesn't matter if they never cross the state line.

 

 



BeerFriends410s
May 16, 2019 at 10:22:17 AM
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I agree, the racing was terrible last night. The only exciting part was Smith driving through the field in the feature. I have always hated the dash draw. You should have to earn it in time trials and heats, not draw your dash position out of a hat. How often is there any passing in a dash anyway? It's an old broken system that needs a change, but idk what the best would be.

And about the 69K, it would be nice to see them get off the 3-4 porches they hang around. Any team with that much experience can win at a select few tracks all the time. It honestly gets boring seeing him win in PA. 



shernernum
May 16, 2019 at 10:41:05 AM
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Posted By: BeerFriends410s on May 16 2019 at 10:22:17 AM

I agree, the racing was terrible last night. The only exciting part was Smith driving through the field in the feature. I have always hated the dash draw. You should have to earn it in time trials and heats, not draw your dash position out of a hat. How often is there any passing in a dash anyway? It's an old broken system that needs a change, but idk what the best would be.

And about the 69K, it would be nice to see them get off the 3-4 porches they hang around. Any team with that much experience can win at a select few tracks all the time. It honestly gets boring seeing him win in PA. 



I still will never understand this take on the 69k.  
1. if it were so easy to win (even with that experience) they wouldn't be the only ones doing it.

2.  Why does the 69k owe it to anybody to leave the porch?  They are winning, probably having fun, and working within their means (financially and age).   They race where and when they are comfortable doing so. Why in the world would anybody screw with what has become a winning formula?  If the other teams don't like it, step it up and beat them.  It's not like the other local teams don't know these tracks too, they run them every week. if the promoters don't like it, go old school and put a bounty on them. 

By their own admission, this is the first time since they've been together that they have had two race ready cars from the beginning of the year.  That's why they are running LIncoln a bit more and have a few more races on the schedule.  They included a TBD for some of the biggest races off the porch this year on their calendars as well.  That tells me two things.  1. they are in a position equipment wise to run a few more of these shows this year.  2.  And this is the "don't know what you got till it's gone" one: It seems that they want to run some of these races (Knoxville etc.) one more time before they hang it up.  I'm not saying this is their last year together, but they know this won't last forever.  We lost the Rahmer/Smith/Byers combination after a couple of years, but Dewease/Krietz/Brown, picked up where they left off.  Who is going to fill that void after they're done.



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May 16, 2019 at 10:52:23 AM
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Posted By: shernernum on May 16 2019 at 10:07:16 AM

And yet Smith passed almost everybody on the top



Gotta agree. Lance was fast on the bottom. Smith was fast on the top. Sounds like a good racing surface to me. Maybe the boys just missed the set up. Don’t blame the track surface. 



bgtexpress
May 16, 2019 at 11:26:02 AM
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Posted By: shernernum on May 16 2019 at 10:41:05 AM

I still will never understand this take on the 69k.  
1. if it were so easy to win (even with that experience) they wouldn't be the only ones doing it.

2.  Why does the 69k owe it to anybody to leave the porch?  They are winning, probably having fun, and working within their means (financially and age).   They race where and when they are comfortable doing so. Why in the world would anybody screw with what has become a winning formula?  If the other teams don't like it, step it up and beat them.  It's not like the other local teams don't know these tracks too, they run them every week. if the promoters don't like it, go old school and put a bounty on them. 

By their own admission, this is the first time since they've been together that they have had two race ready cars from the beginning of the year.  That's why they are running LIncoln a bit more and have a few more races on the schedule.  They included a TBD for some of the biggest races off the porch this year on their calendars as well.  That tells me two things.  1. they are in a position equipment wise to run a few more of these shows this year.  2.  And this is the "don't know what you got till it's gone" one: It seems that they want to run some of these races (Knoxville etc.) one more time before they hang it up.  I'm not saying this is their last year together, but they know this won't last forever.  We lost the Rahmer/Smith/Byers combination after a couple of years, but Dewease/Krietz/Brown, picked up where they left off.  Who is going to fill that void after they're done.



Post of the year on The Dream Team......was it only a few years ago Lance was considered washed up and left for dead on the side of the road.....? I never was a big fan of Lance eariler in his career, but I have to admit I get excited to see the Blue 69K sitting in the pits even if it is not on a weekly/regular basis. He is the odds on favorite every time he hits the track. Something we might not see again for a long time in Central Pa. Enjoy it while you can.



wolfie2985
May 16, 2019 at 12:35:57 PM
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"Something we might not see again for a long time in Central Pa. Enjoy it while you can."

Yes sir, enjoy it!

Hopefully they got a few more years left in them as I'd say that you WON'T see an appeared to be washed-up driver, a Hall of Fame driver turned car owner, and an 85 year old crew chief/mechanic with 65 straight years of wins beating the Outlaws at their game EVER AGAIN.

You might get the driver and the owner part, but there is, and will only ever be, one Davey Brown.

https://www.empaonline.org/davey-brown.html - who else has that resume? Nobody!  With all due respect - and lots of it - to Karl Kinser, he doesn't even come close. And I'd bet my last buck that nobody will ever again. You are witnessing the only copy ever.

I thought Fred, Moon, and company were great in 2013. This is even better.

And don't gimme the "porch" bs - beating the Outlaws at their game on your porch is no easy thing to do.  If the competition isn't enough, the format is heavily stacked against you.

 



revjimk
May 16, 2019 at 01:10:56 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on May 15 2019 at 11:53:42 PM

You can hear someone yell, go to knoxville, while DeWease is being interviewed.



Yea, I heard that too



revjimk
May 16, 2019 at 01:13:42 PM
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Posted By: shernernum on May 16 2019 at 10:41:05 AM

I still will never understand this take on the 69k.  
1. if it were so easy to win (even with that experience) they wouldn't be the only ones doing it.

2.  Why does the 69k owe it to anybody to leave the porch?  They are winning, probably having fun, and working within their means (financially and age).   They race where and when they are comfortable doing so. Why in the world would anybody screw with what has become a winning formula?  If the other teams don't like it, step it up and beat them.  It's not like the other local teams don't know these tracks too, they run them every week. if the promoters don't like it, go old school and put a bounty on them. 

By their own admission, this is the first time since they've been together that they have had two race ready cars from the beginning of the year.  That's why they are running LIncoln a bit more and have a few more races on the schedule.  They included a TBD for some of the biggest races off the porch this year on their calendars as well.  That tells me two things.  1. they are in a position equipment wise to run a few more of these shows this year.  2.  And this is the "don't know what you got till it's gone" one: It seems that they want to run some of these races (Knoxville etc.) one more time before they hang it up.  I'm not saying this is their last year together, but they know this won't last forever.  We lost the Rahmer/Smith/Byers combination after a couple of years, but Dewease/Krietz/Brown, picked up where they left off.  Who is going to fill that void after they're done.



I agree 100%!



revjimk
May 16, 2019 at 01:15:11 PM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on May 16 2019 at 06:09:04 AM

What a waste of money last night, garbage racing. Track was garbage and everyone could have gone home after the dash draw, knowing the winner, when Dewease pulled #1. Too bad there weren't a few more laps for Smith to fly by the 69K.



He had to pass Gravel for the win, didn't he?

Its been raining a lot. They can't dry out the track....



fiXXXer
May 16, 2019 at 02:03:56 PM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on May 16 2019 at 06:09:04 AM

What a waste of money last night, garbage racing. Track was garbage and everyone could have gone home after the dash draw, knowing the winner, when Dewease pulled #1. Too bad there weren't a few more laps for Smith to fly by the 69K.



Donny Schatz 25th to 11th. Ryan Smith 12th to 2nd. The track wasn't any different than Port Royal usually is. If that race had happened at Port, people would be raving about how wide it was and how much passing there was. The double standard around here never ceases to amaze me. Port can do no wrong yet other tracks get criticized for the same things. I've seen better races but last night sure as hell wasn't garbage. 



alum.427
May 16, 2019 at 02:07:24 PM
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And if he rolls into the grove and beats them again there will be another excuse as to why. No passing, pulled a good pill, geeeeeeesh . Your witnessing something that won't be around forever. What I noticed was how smooth and what little effort he was putting in the wheel. Thank you DB Sr. 

 

The 72 car had no trouble passing cars. The 41 and the 5 had no issue, any of those guys could have won if LD missed on corner entry or ????  Personally I think most just missed the setup. 



trecraft
May 16, 2019 at 02:09:40 PM
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Posted By: dirtracer74 on May 14 2019 at 06:17:03 PM

In case any of you have not seen it, check out Kyle Larsons twitter feed. He was trolling people by taking shots at the Possee, as him, Detreich, and Dewease were going at it pretty good. Too funny. 

https://twitter.com/KyleLarsonRacin/status/1128024348982423552

https://twitter.com/KyleLarsonRacin/status/1128024348982423552



Tell Kyle for around eighteen of those in the feature last night, a motel room was an option.

 



amyjur
May 16, 2019 at 02:21:03 PM
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I'm just happy that we've gotten to witness the 69k team and my kids who are in their teens are old enough to experience it and will have everlasting memories. One day it will be no more and I have to wonder if this year is that team's swan song. I look back at my teens during the 80s with fondness while remembering the exploits of Kinser, Wolfgang, etc. This team will be one that will be part of their youth. Another poster remarked how in the years prior to getting the 69k ride, Lance was considered washed up. I think that is a very accurate statement and had this ride not come along, he probably would have retired. Prior to the 69k, Lance had his share of wins but personally I would have considered him only better than average and nowhere near the caliber of the names previously mentioned.  This ride has redefined Lance's career and has his name is now mentioned with some pretty lofty company but let's be realistic. Does everyone think that the driving part of this team's success is due to Lance being that good of a driver? I don't. Yes he is getting the job done but he should be. That car is so superior right now that a driver with any reasonable amount of experience should be putting that car in victory lane. I think back to Wolfgang's magical 1985 season and the same man who was responsible for that is also responsible for Lance's current success. I've always heard the saying that driver's are a dime a dozen but a good mechanic is priceless. A great driver only needs a good car, a great car only needs a good driver. The 69k is a great car with a good driver.  When I look at this team and what it has accomplished in recent years, for me it's watching the master at work and seeing how many things he can still accomplish at this stage in his career.  Lance has the privilege of driving it but I give Davey Sr. all the credit and will enjoy watching this team for as long as it lasts. 



frebyrd
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Posted By: notyouraveragemillenial on May 16 2019 at 07:26:42 AM

In your opinion, what is a better way? Just curious. Serious Question.



Wasn't complaing. meant Lance took advantage of way woo has it set up. Most night fastest guy on front row. I liked it better when fastest time triales didn't start on the pole in a 8 lap race on a still narrow track, its pretty much over. I had great night. GO POSSE And the guy that said track was garbage probably wasn't there.



steelcityguy
May 16, 2019 at 03:24:25 PM
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Posted By: frebyrd on May 16 2019 at 02:29:38 PM

Wasn't complaing. meant Lance took advantage of way woo has it set up. Most night fastest guy on front row. I liked it better when fastest time triales didn't start on the pole in a 8 lap race on a still narrow track, its pretty much over. I had great night. GO POSSE And the guy that said track was garbage probably wasn't there.



Actually, I said it, and I was there....section G, soooooooo



Hooper31
May 16, 2019 at 04:28:16 PM
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I noticed that the leaders had a hell of a time trying to get past the lap traffic. Both Gravel and Dewease got by just a few cars. It seemed like a long time when the leaders engaged the last place cars just to get by a couple cars. Pittman got past two before he spun out, and that seemed like at least a 10 lap process. 



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