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The short answer is yes there will be rules for an ASCS 305 Sprint Car. We have been working with Scott Brown of Lubbock, Texas the past couple of weeks to get the rules finalized. An official press release will be issued this week. We are also working with Driver Websites to get all the information posted to the ASCS site ASAP.

For now if you have questions regarding the ASCS 305 rules please call Scott Brown at 806-548-1689.

Bryan Hulbert-ASCS Marketing/Announcer

If I ain't mistaken didn't Mr. brown build the two engines that where in question at the big 305 race. Just saying.

Keep an eye on press releases.

Why yes he did have something to do with the two motors that were checked out at the race in Texas. They were torn down and they both passed. Isn't that nice.

I am sure Lonnie is working on that press release.

They did wonders keeping the cost down on 360's didn't they! Lets see,we now have $40,000 360 motors,so a $30,000 305 motor shouldn't be out of the question in a few years!

It is now on the ASCS website at http://www.ascsracing.com/news/?i=10241&clk=featureNews. A link to the rules as well as contact information for Scott Brown can be found in the article.

$2000 and $3500 to win!!! wow i better go have someone build me a engine for $15,000 and head west in march.. So the new question is how many 360 and 410 drivers will build these engine to race for $2000. Our 360 club runs for that kind of purse.

Bryan Hulbert talks ASCS 305 series tomorrow night 8 PM ET on Slinging Mud racetalkradio.com

Why ASCS ever got involved with Scott Brown is beyond me . If in fact ASCS or Scott Brown were looking out for the 305 sprints best interest then why would they want to change anything at all about the rules or policing the rules or anything else ? Why would they not want to simply stay with the same rules package that has brought the class to where it is today ? The answers are very simple ,these rule changes benefit Scott Brown and ASI engines aka Dick Sweat . Will the class grow under ASCS ? It might and one of the main reasons is because the 360 is completely out of hand in the way of cost . Some of those guys might want to spend less and run a 305 . Will this end up costing more for 305 ? I dont see how it wont cost more when most everyone is building 305 racesaver motors for 8000.00 to 10000.00 I believe ASI motors go for about 18000.00 . It may be costing more already huh? For people that dont already know Scott Brown and Dick Sweat are business partners in ASI engines . Going back a few short years ago French Grimes was made aware of several issues involving racesaver out in west Texas and low and behold if most all predictions have came to be .

I just love how everyone looks at a price tag of a motor and can instantly judge its legality. Theres a whole lot more than meets the eye when you buy a motor from Dick. The price you listed of $18,000 is about right but let me ask you something. When you buy a motor from another builder for $8,000 to $10,000 do you get everything? And by everything I mean the motor, injection, mag, headers, radiator, water lines, fuel pump, high speed, pill holder, fuel lines? I did. Does that motor builder have a stack of over 75 camshafts that he has tried in his 305's on the dyno trying to get that little extra out of them or comes up with creative designs for the fuel injection searching more more power and driveability instead of just going with what everybody else does? Dick does. Does the motor builder make no less than 15 pulls on the dyno with your motor getting the fuel and timing absolutely perfect right there in front of you? Dick did. Does the motor builder roll your car (just a roller with absolutely no plumbing or wiring) in to his shop to set the motor in, install the radiator, build all new ultralight hoses for fuel and water, wire the car, and even help you set the car up cause your new to sprint car racing and he wants to make sure you'll atleast have the oppertunity to run up front, all within about 4 hours? Dick and Scott did. Will that same motor builder then carry you to his local track on a race night and make sure everything is perfect and teach you about things to try on the car as a race night progresses before you leave town? Scott did. Then once your gone will that motor builder answer his phone on a Saturday night while your at the track and you have a question? Dick will. Then will that same motor builder call you EVERY Sunday to check and see how you did the night before? Dick does. Do you catch my drift? Yeah I payed a hefty ammount of money for my motor and I would gladly do it again! I've recieved knowledge and help along with the motor worth way more than the price I paid. I didnt just get a motor, I got someone who has forgot more about motors than I'll ever know and who truely cares about my performance and my satisfaction with him, not to mention the fact that his motors are incredible and mine has had me up in the thick of things just about every race I've run with it so far (If I can ever figure out how to drive I'll win a few haha!!!) meanwhile passing tech everytime without question. Dick knows his shit and never stops trying to squeeze every bit out of the stuff he produces. Oh and one last fun fact, of about the 70-80 Racesaver 305's Dick has built, NOT 1 has been brought back to him blown up or even anything close to having substantial damage. I wonder if those other builders you speak of have that kind of track record.

-Cody Harger

Maybe you need some fresh air . You quoted me and yet must not have took the time to read what was said ,I NEVER once ,not once questioned the fact about legal or not legal an ASI motor is or was. The fact that you had such a great experince is great .My question is if you are able to spend that much on a motor why wouldnt you go ahead and run ASCS 360 because its obvious you have the money an why wouldnt you want to run for more money. If you will go back and read my post ,one of the questions I ask is why would Scott Brown want to change the rules ? With as much knowledge as you have of all this surely this is a question you can answer for me . I have no idea who you are or care . I also have no idea how long you have been racing or what your background is . But a lot of racesaver racers are guys that work 8 to 5 and dont have unlimited funds available .So that being said they dont have to pay 18000.00 to be competitive with the current racesaver rules package . If you have a source of income that allows you to have people build all your fuel and water lines that s wonderful but a lot of racesaver racers money or not choose to do some of those things you listed themselves. I would like to ask you one question where did you finish at Kilgore ? One of the main reasons I ask is you must have been there beause you were so quick to jump on this legal or not issue .And also will you be going to Las cruces ?

I want you to understand I agree with you Dick Sweat has as much knowledge as anyone in the motor business and builds a great looking and great running motor . But the fact remains if you build a truely legal racesaver motor there is very little differance in horsepower from on to another . Last year there was a car that won one of the SST races that had a stock chev. crank in it . Will it last in all probability not very long . but when you speak of reliability you still dont need a 3800.00 crank in one to last . If you build a legal racesaver motor there is almost no reason for them to blow because they dont make enough horsepower to hurt them . The question is still why change the rules ? It will only drive the cost up .........

This ASCS topic of 305's doesn't make a lot of sense to me. ASCS is not changing the rules on the motor other than not requiring them to be sealed, correct? That being the case I don't see what the big deal is. If someone wants to spend money on a nice light rotating assembly then let them. If some hillbilly wants to build a cheap motor in his garage then let him go for it. Horsepower isn't an issue with these motors. They are all really close regardless of how much money you spend. You can move the power band around to your preferance, but that's about it. Most people want a professional building their motor. Honing, line boring, valve jobs, etc...all cost the same regardless of what size the motor. If you hillbilly's want to keep building this stuff in your garage then keep doing it. The rest of us will use a reputable machine shop, and pay the money for a quality product. Cost will not escalate with these motors if they keep the head and cam rule where it is at right now. There's just no way for it to go up. Just the way it is. I am currently building a 305, and I plan on spending several days on the dyno trying different cams and injectors. I'm not building a 305 to go out there and run 2nd place. I want to have the ability to win. If you don't like that then continue to race within your club. I race to be competitive and compete. Some will say go ASCS racing. Well, I don't want to spend the money to run up and down the road. I have 3 tracks that will run SST rules within 40 miles of my house, and I can race weekly. I will not have to race, nor will I support Smiley's series/Club racers. I will support the ASCS 305 series every chance I get. I think ASCS has been the best thing for Sprint Car racing.

DCRP needs to jump in the ring too! If they build it we will come. Weekly shows would be perfect.

The problem you bring going with an unsealed motor is teching. You are going to have cheating, or attmepted cheating if the motor is sealed or not. I know of one person that has a sealed motor that is cheated. These guys sealing these motors are not the birghtest people in the world. As long as you keep the heads untouched (no porting), no TI, and no roller cams you will keep the cost down. You can't tell people they can't buy a nice bottom end. You just can't do that. Injectors are going to keep getting more and more out of control, but there is no stopping that now. They should have restricted that in the very beginning. I'm sure the SST put on a good show with what they have to offer. I would offer up that Smiley let anyone who wants to come and race race at the Devils Bowl one time. I wonder who would win. A weekly SST guy or an outsider. SST is a club, and that's all that will ever be. I personally would rather race against Ramey, George White, Melton, Estes, etc.... at Cowtown and KSP. At least if you win there you know you did something, and not beat some guy that should have quit racing 20 years ago. Just my opinion.