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April 11, 2011 at
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I was at the opening night at the 34 Raceway opening night race in West Burlington, Iowa on Saturday night. This is one of the best facilities in the mid-west. The people are very friendly and the promoters are doing a very good job. But,they use the IMCA type of restarting proceedure...leader in the front row and then 2 wide through out the remainding feild. In the 305 Sprintcar feature, the restart took out 3 of the top 5 cars. Driver error or just track conditions, I don't know, but it stopped what was a great feature, plus some good cars damaged.
Are double file restarts used in sprintcar racing anywhere else?
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April 11, 2011 at
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i have to agree... great facility...great car count...fantastic racing ...untill the sprintcar feture race..then those stupid double file restarts..and at least 3 people did major damage to their racing budjets..please use single file restarts..and burlington will be one of the best in the country.
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April 11, 2011 at
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The King of the West Series used a double file restart and tore up three
cars in the main on the first attempt. The had a couple more yellows after
that and the restarts were single file.
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April 11, 2011 at
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Posted By: 305 9A on April 11 2011 at 06:25:17 PM
I was at the opening night at the 34 Raceway opening night race in West Burlington, Iowa on Saturday night. This is one of the best facilities in the mid-west. The people are very friendly and the promoters are doing a very good job. But,they use the IMCA type of restarting proceedure...leader in the front row and then 2 wide through out the remainding feild. In the 305 Sprintcar feature, the restart took out 3 of the top 5 cars. Driver error or just track conditions, I don't know, but it stopped what was a great feature, plus some good cars damaged.
Are double file restarts used in sprintcar racing anywhere else?
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As a car owner that has a car that competes in Burlington, I must say that I hate the double file. I understand why they use them, but I am not a fan of them. For the very reasons that you mentioned in your original post. But we must do what we must do to attract a fan base. If double file is what they want, then we will show up and run it. Everything else about Burlington is at the head of the class with regards to the people, the program, and the facility. I guess we can overlook the double file restarts.
But I know that I cringe every time that my car has to start that way.
Jim
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April 12, 2011 at
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I have not truthfully understood why sprint cars don't/won't do double file restarts when almost every other class of racing does. Tried to get them to do these a few years ago at a race and they wouldn't because they said it would tear up stuff. Guess I don't understand since the beginning of the race is double file isn't it? Shouldn't be any different than that.
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April 12, 2011 at
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I don't think 305's should have double file restarts.
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April 12, 2011 at
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i really do not like double file restarts at all, and i really dont like sending lapped cars to the back on a restart. as the leader of the race i am trying to put as much distance between the second place car and myself as possible right? so we should penalize the leader for being faster than the rest of the field and move the second place car right up to my nerf bar, that sounds like napcar racing to me. now as a fans point of view i understand in a way that you dont want to see a driver run away from everybody else, but i dont know about anyone else but i actually have no problem watching one car and driver kick ass. its actually great to see the hard work of a crew and driver pay off. and yes if that team puts alot of money into their equipment thats fine, it also means they are putting alot of time into their team. and as far as lapped cars to the rear its the same premise to me i just busted my butt to get by this car and get it between myself and second then a yellow comes out and now he is right next to or behind me and i have to go by them again? how does this make sense?
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April 12, 2011 at
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Someone with a bad qual night starting towards the back has NO chance in a feature with 20-24 cars after a single file restart because they get so strung out by the time the last car goes by the cone the leadr is already heading down the back chute.
Double File is the way to go.
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April 12, 2011 at
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Posted By: squirtndirt on April 12 2011 at 10:50:22 AM
i really do not like double file restarts at all, and i really dont like sending lapped cars to the back on a restart. as the leader of the race i am trying to put as much distance between the second place car and myself as possible right? so we should penalize the leader for being faster than the rest of the field and move the second place car right up to my nerf bar, that sounds like napcar racing to me. now as a fans point of view i understand in a way that you dont want to see a driver run away from everybody else, but i dont know about anyone else but i actually have no problem watching one car and driver kick ass. its actually great to see the hard work of a crew and driver pay off. and yes if that team puts alot of money into their equipment thats fine, it also means they are putting alot of time into their team. and as far as lapped cars to the rear its the same premise to me i just busted my butt to get by this car and get it between myself and second then a yellow comes out and now he is right next to or behind me and i have to go by them again? how does this make sense?
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Why not just send everybody back out with the use of a stopwatch then? if you were up by 5 seconds we will give you a 5 second head start. That way, everyone in the stands can fall asleep. You dont mind watching one driver run away with the feature? Great. The problem is, myself and 99 percent of the stands want to see side by side racing. Sprinter79 said it best, he doesnt like it, BUT, that is what fills the stands. Sprint car racing is like any other form of entertainment or business for that matter. CHANGE OR DIE!!!!! You may not like nascar or Bill France Sr., but he said it best "you either get bigger or you get smaller, you can't stand still" He's right. Sprint car racing can't just stay the same and survive. They have to expand and grow. Double file restarts add the excitement that might attract even more fans which is what they need. Not all single file races are boring and not all double file restart races are exciting. But the odds definitely improve. No question on that. The drivers are going to have to discipline them selves on the restarts. This isn't about fairness to the driver leading. It is all about the fans and it should be. Without them, these guys would be racing go carts as a hobby in the back yard.
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Posted By: egras on April 12 2011 at 12:19:52 PM
Why not just send everybody back out with the use of a stopwatch then? if you were up by 5 seconds we will give you a 5 second head start. That way, everyone in the stands can fall asleep. You dont mind watching one driver run away with the feature? Great. The problem is, myself and 99 percent of the stands want to see side by side racing. Sprinter79 said it best, he doesnt like it, BUT, that is what fills the stands. Sprint car racing is like any other form of entertainment or business for that matter. CHANGE OR DIE!!!!! You may not like nascar or Bill France Sr., but he said it best "you either get bigger or you get smaller, you can't stand still" He's right. Sprint car racing can't just stay the same and survive. They have to expand and grow. Double file restarts add the excitement that might attract even more fans which is what they need. Not all single file races are boring and not all double file restart races are exciting. But the odds definitely improve. No question on that. The drivers are going to have to discipline them selves on the restarts. This isn't about fairness to the driver leading. It is all about the fans and it should be. Without them, these guys would be racing go carts as a hobby in the back yard.
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and if even one car gets torn up enough in a double file restart to end their season then you have just shrunk the sport and it doesn't matter what the fans want.
Let the fan fund just one race night (without any problems) and they might change their tune. I wonder........how many laps have been added to the WoO's races this year because of crashes during double file restarts AND did those extra yellow laps contribute to the all dreaded red flags for re-fueling?
Double file restarts suck.
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April 12, 2011 at
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I f that's the case why not start the Heats & Features single file.
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April 12, 2011 at
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Posted By: Paintboss on April 12 2011 at 01:06:43 PM
I f that's the case why not start the Heats & Features single file.
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well now thats just being ridiculous. 
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April 12, 2011 at
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Someone said, "Let the fan fund just one race night"... what do you think admission prices are?
That being said, I can still sympathize with drivers nor wanting to destroy their rides... tough call, no perfect solution
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Posted By: revjimk on April 12 2011 at 01:31:33 PM
Someone said, "Let the fan fund just one race night"... what do you think admission prices are?
That being said, I can still sympathize with drivers nor wanting to destroy their rides... tough call, no perfect solution
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for 95% of the sprint car teams unloading a race car, the admission fees (front gate and back gate) that get trickled down to the teams via the purse, don't even begin to fund even a weekly racer operation.
Not that it or them are not appreciated mind you. Maybe just a little less asking of, and little more understanding for, the people that spend more than an admission price, hot dog, and refreshment at a race track. Some of us do it for fun. The fun ends real fast when you're expected to give up even more skin than is already in the game.
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Hey don't get me wrong. I appreciate 100% that the teams & drivers are not only spending a fortune but risking their lives for our entertainment. Thanks!
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Bluteam
Hey don't get me wrong. I appreciate 100% that the teams & drivers are not only spending a fortune but risking their lives for our entertainment. Thanks!
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no problem revjim. and don't get me wrong, I appreciate 100% of the fans and their smiling faces in the pits after the races!
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I think the leader should start on the front row, 2nd place have lane choice in the 2nd row. I too fully appreciate each and every race team that makes our sport but if I were a racer, I would think my mind set would be FOR the double file restart because they know they have a better chance of advancing and less of a chance of getting stuck behind a slow starter at the cone leaving them little chance of advancmenent because of the ground that will lose.
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Bluteam
Hey don't get me wrong. I appreciate 100% that the teams & drivers are not only spending a fortune but risking their lives for our entertainment. Thanks!
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They are doing it because they like to race
I do not think any of them do it for me to have something to watch.
I do not think I owe them anything
That does not mean that I don't respect them , I do, but saying they risk their life just for the fan is a little much
Our Military people risk their lives
These people are having fun racing
Big difference
They quit racing my life goes on but if the Military all quit and go home we are all in trouble
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"Our Military people risk their lives
These people are having fun racing"...... of course!
I'm not trying to compare the two things, totally different subject. Military was the last thing on my mind when I wrote this.
Respecting one doesn't diss the other...
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Posted By: Paintboss on April 12 2011 at 03:04:54 PM
I think the leader should start on the front row, 2nd place have lane choice in the 2nd row. I too fully appreciate each and every race team that makes our sport but if I were a racer, I would think my mind set would be FOR the double file restart because they know they have a better chance of advancing and less of a chance of getting stuck behind a slow starter at the cone leaving them little chance of advancmenent because of the ground that will lose.
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This is a mind set that drives me nuts. If my car is in 2nd, and the leader has past 6 cars that I have not been fast enough to catch and pass, whose fault is that? I do not want my car to have a shot at a win because the rules allow for it. We need to be fast enough to get the job done. If my driver was not fast enough to get the job done on any given night, we don't deserve to win. Since when do teams deserve a break. We are racing, and not with our hand out. I hear more and more racers say that the double file restarts are to their advantage because of the possibility for easy positions (mostly local stock car guys). We don't need a break. I will not feel that we earned it when we win one because of the double file restart. Being fast on the clock is one thing, but it does not entitle you to race at the front. There are many other factors involved. And lastly, many of the other classes that restart double file are classes that have fenders. The chance of tearing up equipment increases tremendously when you are dealing with open wheels. I for one can not afford to rebuild my car from the ground up because someone caught a rut, missed the turn, or wadded up the field in front my car due to a double file restart. And I understand that this can happen single file as well, but the odds go down dramatically. When these cars are side by side, and one gets out of shape, it can, and has turned over many more than just the culprit. Sorry, I just don't like them and I feel that we risk enough starting double file in the beginning of the race..........Jim
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