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Never hit stationary objects!

I don't think I was clear. I am concerned about tearing up my equipment, as I don't have many/any spares. But I realize that it's a part of racing, and some things can't be avoided. I take steps to minimize my risk, but I also know that as a driver and car owner, I have to be in the front for a myriad of reasons. Double file restarts help me get there. If you catch a guy sleeping during a restart then you can get his/her position. If your car is fast enough, you'll hold it.

Now, with the double file restarts, there's a certain level of trust you have to place on your other competitors not to do something stupid, like turn the car sideways in front of the whole field. It's all a judgment call, and a crapshoot.

Double file restarts with the Winged Super Modified were'nt a big deal because coming into three on the start I could pull the clutch and clean the motor so I knew it would take off. You can't do that with a sprinter. If one guy toward the front has a motor that loads up a little on the bottom end or just doesn't "take off" like the others, everybody stacks up.

With the sprinter on starts I'd always play with the fuel valve to lean it down a little so it wouldn't load up and there was usually enough space to clear the motor....With a double file, slow start, I would think it's kind of like playing a little Russian Roulette. I really think if the pace is picked up a bit a lot of the crashes would be eliminated. I always hated Doug Clarks slow assed starts before....Can't imagine what it'd be like now!

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How about the cone simply be moved to the exit of turn 4? Its main point is to prevent racers from passing before the restart (which is hard to steward) however restarts usually kick in from Turn 4. Why prevent all passing until they reach the start finish line which is much later and quite often up near Turn 1.

As for double file restarts I agree with the earlier comments that a pass won on a double file restart is not as hard fought/earnt as a race pass at speed. There are too many variables and too many chances for torn up equipment.

fact is that double file restarts benefit the cars in the back. if you are up front then you essentially are being penalized for being faster than the rest of the field earlier in the night. and everybody that sits in the stands and watches these and say they love double file restarts i say great. go watch napcar and or even latemodels but understand we have open wheel cars and even the slightest of contact can destroy our racecar and yes could even put us out for the year. if you dont care that a car and driver cant get back to the track next week, then think if this happens to two or three or even ten cars. is this going to be a good program for the fans? then there is what 15 cars so you see depending on what series you follow can be, qualifying, two heats, main event. hopefully there is a big group of support class to entertain you.

As a fan, yeah I like double-file restarts, but can see why car owners and car drivers don't. I remember a half-dozen Indy car drivers complaining about them after their first race of the year, when 4 or 5 of the top drivers got taken out because Indy car officials told them they needed to be in a tight group or they wouldn't get the green flag. Drivers response was sort of, this isn't Nascar, where they have heavy slow-accelerating cars, Indy cars are much much quicker and lighter, as are sprint cars.

The more cars that get torn up, the less cars there will be at certain shows as they spend time repairing them. The other side of this is, fans like to see close action which results in crashes, if there isn't action (and resulting crashes), seats may be empty. Look at the empty Nascar seats at Bristol now that there isn't a crash every 15 laps because they can race 3 wide instead of the old single file duck style and push someone out of the way to pass them.

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Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and 
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.

Pardon me for wanting to see a race as a fan

Like I said drivers make the decision

Why did Indy car do it

Bacause No butts in the seats

No fans, it does not make any difference how many cars you have No gate no race

I've just read these post's for the first time, and I still don't like double file restarts! The reason for this conclusion from this old school guy is simple. I like racing, and I appreciate the talent it takes to get to the front.

Do I like inverted starts? Yes, because it makes for better racing, and nothing is given away, it's earned racing. Now some might say (and a lot do) that it not fair, and it might not be, but it creates racing to the front without the mayhem of a double file restart, and you get to keep the spots you've earned.

A large part of my experiences have been at 1/2 miles on the left side, and the first time I saw a cone at some short track I thought someone had dropped it off a push-truck.... I'm still waiting for them to get the damn thing off the track.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

i'm not saying that fans dont want to see double file restarts all night. i'm simply saying that as a car owner/driver its just not something i appreciate when i/my driver works his ass off to get to the front and does it by passing throughout the whole night of racing. i dont like when we make it all the way to the front from the 10th starting spot only to get dumped by the guy who started on the pole and hasnt gone fast enough to get away from the rest of the field. its been done way too many times already. i dont however understand what is going through the minds of race fans when they see a car lose a race because of a rule rather than a faster car, and its somehow a good race? i dont mind a full invert, it is actually fun to race with and pass good racecars at least once but if i have to do it time and time again because of the fact that other cars can get right back next to the leader then its just not as satisfying. maby a restart where the leader is alone in the front row? MAYBE??? but that still negates the lead and the fact that the leader has driven his or her ass off to get there and stay there.