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damn up to 90 entries. i counted 88 but know of 2 more runnin it. Joe Wood Jr, out of Oklahoma City is planning on runnin both the 360 nat's and the Brodix. and word is Brooke Tatnell will pilot the Bobby Sparks #91 (a rumor i hope is fact).

with more cars than even Cappy expected ----- doesn't seem like gas or the all-stars jaunt will have the affect most thought it would.................thats awesome.

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Garry Lee Maier 11X will be there for the Nationals and Brodiix.

Will ninety entries make it a better show? Hmmm???? A question worth pondering? Perhaps, but to some of you a "HUGE" car count is almost as good as an orgasm. Of the ninety entries, how many do you think have the possibility of earning the '360 crown? I'm going to take a grasp at it and say, fifteen, maybe twenty, and thats a stretch.

WHY ARE WE HERE? BECAUSE WE'RE HERE. ROLL THE BONES.-
Neil Peart

Well I would guess that the more cars you have the better the show will be, 90 cars or 150 who knows? So why would come on here and cut down a great show such as the 360 nationals? I rather doubt a "HUGE" car count will give anyone an orgasm in the stands! But a large field of cars will probably get most sprint car fans excited about a big show.

90 cars sure beats the hell out of 9 - like we get here for a regular show quite often. 90 cars should mean you'll have some good racing through the B, C, D, etc. features, too. Who pays all of that money for the Chili Bowl and just shows up for the A on Sat. night?

The point I was trying to make, and was obviously misunderstood,(OK MAYBE I WAS A BIT BRASH,SORRY)was that I too like a good car count. Its always good to see a full field, but quantity does not always make a quality show. You mention the "CHILI-BOWL," I've been going to the "BOWL" since '93, and the races were better when you had a more mangable car count of 90 to 100 or so. Sure you had less races, but you had a better track,less down time, etc. Hell we could debate this into the ground. My point was,(before I was tied and burned at the stake)was large car counts do not always make for a better show. Have a great day...

WHY ARE WE HERE? BECAUSE WE'RE HERE. ROLL THE BONES.-
Neil Peart

i aint gonna tie and burn you at the stake - hell i prob wont even remember any of this by the STN - lol. naw man I saw what you were trying to say. and despite the CCC persona - - - I too agree that 20 car show on a good track is better than a 90 car show on a 1 lane track. i mean - thats really what I want to see is just some good side by side racing with passing. knoxville has gotten it right almost every time we up there for the 360 nat's though. the lone exception was - 2 years ago i believe. the high was just above average - like 94 - but absolutely no wind - horrible high humidity - it made for heat indexes up near 110. it was still 100+ at 10pm. the saturday show - with those 140 or whatever sprints - - - ran all that racing - and still only pushed the cushion up about 3/5ths the way up the track. no one could nothin bout - in that weather - with rain the night before too. dude it was so humid there were vapor trails comin off the wings in hot laps and time trials.

but I wasnt offended by it at all. i think it will be a great show - hope I can make it. I hope Belleville is good for all the fans who attend that too. not a big all star fan with their intentional cross scheduling of the 360 nat's ------ but I imagine you goin to the wichita/belleville portions ------ so i hope at least on that account they are good lol. so when the next time we be in the same place Rush? STN? my ol' man has decided to pass on knoxville and go to STN instead (it is a lot cheaper). i aint given up on knoxville yet ------- even contemplating rollin solo from okc. thats how much i want to meet Duane (nodust) and see some good racing LOL. u used to come down to okc for the ascs shows -------- hell now the time to come down is the weekly shows when no factory stocks are running (like this friday) - we still get close to 50 sprints in our weekly show. and the pro stocks are close to 20 and the mods low 20's usually. and dude our track is good for the weekly shows ------ but sucks heavy tacky balls when ascs is here. thinkin bout cowtown sooner region saturday too. after biting 2 20$ bullets watching ascs fri. and sat, -------- and need some better racing for less money (ironic aint it) - and wtf ever happened to your column thang you was doing?

cant comment on the chili bowl. only been to the last 2 - but loved it. the STN and sprint bandits at Creek were the best races i saw last year though. now theres a race to contemplate seeing this year - sprint bandit at OKC on 8-13 and then creek the next night (3 non0wing classes runnin) andn then back to okc fri for sooner region (double A Mains from rain out as well as champ sprints) - its gonna be an awesome 3 days of racing here in about a month.

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o btw if you know of any chili bowl tickets for sale - let me know lol. my friends out in Cali I get the tickets from are goin this year. which if i can make it is awesome ----- still aint met em yet. great folks.

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Even I agree that a large car count does not make the show a good show... but it does give us entertainment before we get to the main event - and sometimes the "also rans" put on a pretty good show among themselves.

Just to set you straight about the "intentional cross scheduling"...

The schedule was adjusted not to mess with the 360 Nationals, but to help the All Star drivers make a longer trip out here to the Midwest so they wouldn't have to make a double trip or to run the risk of using up their equipment running the Nationals and having less than favorable equipment for the points races. This was a decision that was made after listening to the drivers and the concerns with fuel costs. If you would think about it from a driver/car owner stand point, wouldn't you rather make a long 10-12 hour trip once rather than twice with diesel fuel at or near $5.00?

What drivers were you planning on attending the 360 Nationals that are being affected by racing for $5,000 to win in 410 races as much as 5 hours away? Have you stopped to think that the Thunder Through the Plains may actually bring MORE drivers to the Knoxville Nationals?

I find it interesting how some people get on the boards and start bashing the cherry picking 410 drivers trying to steal a 360 pot. Then people complain when there is 410 racing more than 5 hours away from a 360 race on the same night. Just prooves you can't please everyone.

I was unaware that there were certain days on the calendar that people were not allowed to schedule races.

Actually the show it's scheduled against is the saturday before the nationals 410 show at Knoxville, which is 3000.00 to win, and typically draws a car count in the 50s. Traditionally this is the best weekly show of the year, and no doubt some of the cars that normally show at Knox for a nationals "tune-up" will instead opt for less competition, i.e. a lower car count at Eagle.

You can bet a lot of the 410 teams will be at Knoxville getting some valuable seat time. As for the "intentional" crossing, we'll see how that works out. If there is "intentional" crossing, without a doubt my money is on Knoxville.

My but will be parked in Knoxville for the week, but I'd sure love to watch a 410 race at Belleville, especially with some of the heavy hitters they're expecting next week. Can't imagine the speeds at that place. Watch out for the Cali boys headin out that way. TK and T Dub will be bad fast at that speedplant.

Knoxville Natioanls attendee since '95
Favorite Tracks...River Cities, Knoxville, Cedar Lake
Favorite Drivers...S.Kinser, T.Kaeding, K.Madsen, S.Smith
Proud Canadian 

Better yet (noticing your avatar) why is Tim Crawley not running this show??? I've only been able to see him run during ASCS speedweeks over the past few years and I love watching that guy drive! Maybe I'm crazy, but from what I have seen... I think he would be in the 15-20 mix.

I doubt that car is in too good a shape after hittin the wall at Lawton last saturday. he hit hard enough that you could tell he was in pain afterwards - prob did more damage to the car than it even looked like. i bet they will make repairs and stuff. that same question you have about Crawley - I wonder the same thing about several drivers down here in the Sooner Region areas (i.e. Tulsa, OKC, and dallas-ft.worth) - and it could be said for each region - but damn - if even half from every region went - there would be closer to 300 - not 100 lol.

I'm stil astonished by this years car count for the 360 nat's. WESMAR looks like Nostradamus now lol. even as Cappy thought they may not top 80 - he's sittin in the back of the room with the smirk on his face like he knows something we all dont know. consdering he sells motors to many of em - maybe he did all along. now I find myself makin last minute plans to head up there - but solo this time. the 4 days of 360's cost about 400$ when 3 of us went and split costs (of course half of that was spent at Slideway's and Tasos) - so on the low end this prob be about 6-700. but I think it is worth it. the main question I have is the one I had earlier this year when we contemplated the Midget Nationals. and it has to do with rain (of course) - we are a ways off - but i see chances for thursday and friday of the 360 nat's. thursday is the best day to rain out - they will just run all the cars friday but split the field - but what if both thursday AND friday were to rain out? i never thought about that - what would they do in the event of that?

MASSiveFan - I can clearly see what you are saying. and for the most part I do agree with you. but then again - explain this! when - yes - all the all-stars are comin to knoxville - why not run the "thunder through the plains" AFTER the nationals? same thing right? cuttin 2 trips to one still. and then they would not be running against TWO - thats right - TWO other major events in the area! they are participating in the Belleville - but once the midgets get going - they are racing less than 6 hours away - which may be a long distance to you - but in terms of sprint car racing and what we see constantly - is it really? On saturday night August 2nd - you got the All-stars runnin - not sure where i think either eagle or husets - the final night of the Belleville Nationals - and the bad ass race goin at Knoxville (ya know the one with 100+ 360's and a full field of 410's). that cheats fans IMO. if ya'll ran the week AFTER the nat's - my whole family would make the wichita tow - b/c i think the car count would be really good and we dont see winged 410's often - and we would be on our way BACK to Oklahoma. when I talk about intentional cross scheduling - i'm sure you think I'm just pullin that notion from lookin at the schedules - its coming from other places but i dont think it would be in good taste to say where. i'm just sayin - I dont think this for no reason. the main point you made in defense - kinda fades away considering they could do the thunder swing right after it. yeah you could say thats tough on the cars or whatever - but is not just as tough to run the thunder thing and THEN run the 410 nat's? I'm happy as a pig in shit that the car count is what it is for the 360 nat's ------ but i do think cappy will bite a bullet in the stands - more so than in the past. there is this air that the 410 nat's are superior to the 360's. thats true but to a lesser extent than what most think. it IS among the best winged sprint races in the world - and yet no one shows up for it. I can see where the 410 drivers are better and there is an air about it - but the 360 nat's offer just as good = and by some accounts - BETTER - racing than the 410's. ah screw makin this argument - better for me to not have to deal with the crowds. as i always say - dealing with it at the chili bowl is enough to last a year lol. i just hate it that this race is not more recognized than it is. its gonna be just as good this year as the last 2 (ever since it was moved to august) - and few will see it. it just kind of flies under the radar - and thats what keeps the purse down where it is - and the purse could become even more a crucial factor in the future than it already is now with the crazy times in the economy and fuel pumps.

even thinkin bout goin to the 360 nat's should be absurd for me. i can scrape it and go - and then get back and know i am screwed on $$. but after goin to the last 7 of em and knowin it will be good this year goin in to it - i dont feel ok with missing this one. and to me there is not a race in the world more worthy of support. yeah others are awesome (kings royal - 410 nat's - STN - Chili Bowl) - but those races already have a big enough support. here is one of the best races of year in the US - and you wouldnt know it by the amount of fan support it gets. its completely absurd - and it's bullshit.

ha ha ha - finally! another rant! lol.

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Hopefully Knoxville will quit treating the 360's like a stepchild. Sorry - that's the way I've seen it in the past. If I had to chose between the 360 nationals and the 410 nationals I'd chose the 360's because they put on a better show. More passing - more out right competition. I've been to both. Unfortunately fuel prices are keeping me away. Y'all enjoy - and I'll have to settle for being envious of all of you who have the opportunity to see these really neat drivers at that big half mile+ track.

This race thingy sounds kind of neat. I'll have to find out more about it and see if I can't scrape up some extra money and go to see all the hype you guys are talking about.

The ALL-STARS at Belleville can best be described in one word, "AMAZING!" I remember their first trip to the "HIGHBANKS" in '95. It was nothing short of jaw dropping awe. the NCRA '410's had tested the banks a few times before the "A"-STARS but the contingent of drivers on that sweltering Kansas night in August put on one of the best racing events I have ever witnessed.. I am looking forward to next Thursday... For sure............

WHY ARE WE HERE? BECAUSE WE'RE HERE. ROLL THE BONES.-
Neil Peart

If I counted right 111 360's entered as of today......112 410's..wow