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I am going to go out of my comfort zone here and venture into the future.  Normally, I can't even get the past right and as for the present, its usually tomorrow before I figure out what happened to yesterday.   But, I think you may want to consider some "atternative facts."  Which brings us to the Kyle Larson saga...   Oh, did our kid screw up... We alll know that.. Quesion is.... what lhappens next ?'  Ask yourself this:   How many races has Kyle Larson missed so far ?????    Then try this one: What racing series do you know that is turning away fans because the seats are all fulll ?????  Ok, now ask yourself if you think promotors, sanctioning bodies, race team owners, fans, passerbyer's and just about everyone under the sun doesn't know he is one of just a handful of peopled that we want to pay our money to watch drive a race car.  ESPECIALLY ON DIRT.    You really think they are going to turn their back on him ???  Really ??.. He will be punished... He should.. He will have to take a step back.  He should. He will be back again and I will say it here... He should....                                                                                                                                                 Several years ago I watched a race at I-55 ( I think from Iron Man weekend) and aftewards I said that if WOO could find a way to keep Kyle Larson, Chrilstopher Bell and Rico on a regular basis, combined with their regular list of teams that it might be the greatrest racing in the history of racing...   He will be back its just a matter of handling all the PR so we can move on to the next big thing...

At than point we can do what Jknxville and the rest of us want to do..  move on and watch the dirt fly..




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I am going to go out of my comfort zone here and venture into the future.  Normally, I can't even get the past right and as for the present, its usually tomorrow before I figure out what happened to yesterday.   But, I think you may want to consider some "atternative facts."  Which brings us to the Kyle Larson saga...   Oh, did our kid screw up... We alll know that.. Quesion is.... what lhappens next ?'  Ask yourself this:   How many races has Kyle Larson missed so far ?????    Then try this one: What racing series do you know that is turning away fans because the seats are all fulll ?????  Ok, now ask yourself if you think promotors, sanctioning bodies, race team owners, fans, passerbyer's and just about everyone under the sun doesn't know he is one of just a handful of peopled that we want to pay our money to watch drive a race car.  ESPECIALLY ON DIRT.    You really think they are going to turn their back on him ???  Really ??.. He will be punished... He should.. He will have to take a step back.  He should. He will be back again and I will say it here... He should....                                                                                                                                                 Several years ago I watched a race at I-55 ( I think from Iron Man weekend) and aftewards I said that if WOO could find a way to keep Kyle Larson, Chrilstopher Bell and Rico on a regular basis, combined with their regular list of teams that it might be the greatrest racing in the history of racing...   He will be back its just a matter of handling all the PR so we can move on to the next big thing...

At than point we can do what Jknxville and the rest of us want to do..  move on and watch the dirt fly..



I agree with you. In all honesty Kyle is one of the few reasons that I continue to watch NASCAR. When he drops out of a race, my interest usually wanes at that point. For the past few years, his schedule has allowed him to race a few Pa Speedweek races. Guess what, he packs the fans in, and the electricity and atmosphere when he races against the Pa Posse has been tremendous. I along with many other Central Pa sprint car fans circle the calender every year to be able to see him run a sprint car in person.



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I have seen a lot of drivers come and go since 1960.  The only constant has been that the cars are still awesome and they still race on some of the same dirt tracks.  My point is that although I admire the talent of the driver's if I manage to hang around another 15 or 20 years most racing today will have retired by then.  I have a few drivers that I know personally and they are favorites in the sense that I can shoot the breeze with them when we run into each other but I'm not a shirt or autograph collector.

I don't dislike or like Larson because I have never seen him race in person.  It's cool that he reached a high level and I hope he can turn things around but I'm not going to stop going to races if he never races again.  In a few words what I'm trying to say is that to me the sport is bigger than any single driver.  If it wasn't I would have gave up watching it when my childhood heroes hung up their helmets in the 60's and 70's.  


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Posted By: DNQ on April 18 2020 at 07:30:43 AM

I am going to go out of my comfort zone here and venture into the future.  Normally, I can't even get the past right and as for the present, its usually tomorrow before I figure out what happened to yesterday.   But, I think you may want to consider some "atternative facts."  Which brings us to the Kyle Larson saga...   Oh, did our kid screw up... We alll know that.. Quesion is.... what lhappens next ?'  Ask yourself this:   How many races has Kyle Larson missed so far ?????    Then try this one: What racing series do you know that is turning away fans because the seats are all fulll ?????  Ok, now ask yourself if you think promotors, sanctioning bodies, race team owners, fans, passerbyer's and just about everyone under the sun doesn't know he is one of just a handful of peopled that we want to pay our money to watch drive a race car.  ESPECIALLY ON DIRT.    You really think they are going to turn their back on him ???  Really ??.. He will be punished... He should.. He will have to take a step back.  He should. He will be back again and I will say it here... He should....                                                                                                                                                 Several years ago I watched a race at I-55 ( I think from Iron Man weekend) and aftewards I said that if WOO could find a way to keep Kyle Larson, Chrilstopher Bell and Rico on a regular basis, combined with their regular list of teams that it might be the greatrest racing in the history of racing...   He will be back its just a matter of handling all the PR so we can move on to the next big thing...

At than point we can do what Jknxville and the rest of us want to do..  move on and watch the dirt fly..



The problem isn't finding people who want to see him race.  It also isn't finding team owners that understand the talent level he has.  The problem isn't getting sanctioning bodies to allow him to race.  

Then what's the problem?  These cars are advertising billboards.  The problem is going to be getting a sponsor with enough money to fund the car.  Who has the money to do this, you may ask?  Why, big companies do.  And big companines do business nationwide and worldwide.  They will not damage their image right now and risk their bottom-line.  Simple as that. 

No owner, including Tony, is going to risk sponsors of other team cars to snag a driver who can't find a sponsor.  

 

So, you ask, what happens next? 

I'm going to guess:

1.  He is reinstated by WoO and Nascar after his training later this season. 

2.  He will have to make a choice----run a sprint car the remainder of the season with the sponsors left or take the first ride offered in Nascar.  His sprint car ride will be heavily funded out of his own pocket, so that will not be a good thing for his bottom line.  However, the Nascar offer will likely be a one-car team just above "start and park" status with a small sponsor (that doesn't have a nationwide interest) resulting in small pay checks.  

3.  After running either (or a combination of both) options above for 1-3 years, he will likely get a better than average offer in Nascar once the dust settles and a sponsor is found.  It wil not be the caliber of the 48 or 14 cars.  

4.  He doesn't win another Nascar race in 4-5 years, hires a good financial planner, and runs the WoO for the remainder of his career.  

 

No one has to agree with this, it's just my opinion which was what we were asked here.  Smile



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The problem isn't finding people who want to see him race.  It also isn't finding team owners that understand the talent level he has.  The problem isn't getting sanctioning bodies to allow him to race.  

Then what's the problem?  These cars are advertising billboards.  The problem is going to be getting a sponsor with enough money to fund the car.  Who has the money to do this, you may ask?  Why, big companies do.  And big companines do business nationwide and worldwide.  They will not damage their image right now and risk their bottom-line.  Simple as that. 

No owner, including Tony, is going to risk sponsors of other team cars to snag a driver who can't find a sponsor.  

 

So, you ask, what happens next? 

I'm going to guess:

1.  He is reinstated by WoO and Nascar after his training later this season. 

2.  He will have to make a choice----run a sprint car the remainder of the season with the sponsors left or take the first ride offered in Nascar.  His sprint car ride will be heavily funded out of his own pocket, so that will not be a good thing for his bottom line.  However, the Nascar offer will likely be a one-car team just above "start and park" status with a small sponsor (that doesn't have a nationwide interest) resulting in small pay checks.  

3.  After running either (or a combination of both) options above for 1-3 years, he will likely get a better than average offer in Nascar once the dust settles and a sponsor is found.  It wil not be the caliber of the 48 or 14 cars.  

4.  He doesn't win another Nascar race in 4-5 years, hires a good financial planner, and runs the WoO for the remainder of his career.  

 

No one has to agree with this, it's just my opinion which was what we were asked here.  Smile



One thing I will predict and take exception is the idea that he will fund his Sprint Car out of his own pocket to make up the slack for a lack of sponsors.  Right now his obligation is to his family and if racing Sprint Cars means spending more than he's taking in that (in my feeble mind) would not be in the best interests of his family.  I'm assuming that like other NASCAR drivers he owns a large home somewhere in North Carolina.  That property will still need to be maintained and perhaps there is still a mortgage.  He's married and has one child that I know of so the stress of losing everything must be unbelievable.  There is no guarantee that he will find adequate sponsorship for the Sprint Car.  Perhaps a partnership with another owner or something like that can be worked out but does a Sprint Car income even come close to covering the lifestyle he's likely living? 

I'm not going to make any predictions about sponsors or anything like that but all I can say is that Sprint Cars at a high level cost a ton of money.  Maybe not as much as a NASCAR team and maybe the driver's pay isn't as much but it's still more costly than most of us fans can afford.  This is a mess on a lot of levels as aside from completing the courses for NASCAR and the WoO there are still a lot of unknowns. 

I'm not calling for his demise, I think he went into rap music mode and found out that is not a wise thing to emulate their language in his daily conversation.  It wasn't if he would slip but when if he made it a habit of using that term.  I think it's more of a sign of a touch of immaturity, listening to questionable entertainment and not knowing he had a live mic.  If he never used that term in the first place none of this mess would have happened.  It's an uphill climb but I think we'll eventually see him driving again.  What and where I'm not sure but he will drive again if that's what he wants to do.


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One thing I will predict and take exception is the idea that he will fund his Sprint Car out of his own pocket to make up the slack for a lack of sponsors.  Right now his obligation is to his family and if racing Sprint Cars means spending more than he's taking in that (in my feeble mind) would not be in the best interests of his family.  I'm assuming that like other NASCAR drivers he owns a large home somewhere in North Carolina.  That property will still need to be maintained and perhaps there is still a mortgage.  He's married and has one child that I know of so the stress of losing everything must be unbelievable.  There is no guarantee that he will find adequate sponsorship for the Sprint Car.  Perhaps a partnership with another owner or something like that can be worked out but does a Sprint Car income even come close to covering the lifestyle he's likely living? 

I'm not going to make any predictions about sponsors or anything like that but all I can say is that Sprint Cars at a high level cost a ton of money.  Maybe not as much as a NASCAR team and maybe the driver's pay isn't as much but it's still more costly than most of us fans can afford.  This is a mess on a lot of levels as aside from completing the courses for NASCAR and the WoO there are still a lot of unknowns. 

I'm not calling for his demise, I think he went into rap music mode and found out that is not a wise thing to emulate their language in his daily conversation.  It wasn't if he would slip but when if he made it a habit of using that term.  I think it's more of a sign of a touch of immaturity, listening to questionable entertainment and not knowing he had a live mic.  If he never used that term in the first place none of this mess would have happened.  It's an uphill climb but I think we'll eventually see him driving again.  What and where I'm not sure but he will drive again if that's what he wants to do.



Good points StanM

My "prediction" is based off of the possibility he saved some $$$ and will want to keep himself in the racing world for the hopes of making a living at it again someday.  If he is in good financial shape, I could see him spending money to keep himself fresh in the minds of the racing powers.  But, that is only speculation of course.....I don't know him.




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Good points StanM

My "prediction" is based off of the possibility he saved some $$$ and will want to keep himself in the racing world for the hopes of making a living at it again someday.  If he is in good financial shape, I could see him spending money to keep himself fresh in the minds of the racing powers.  But, that is only speculation of course.....I don't know him.



In other word you want Kyle Larson to suffer becuase he made an honest mistake.  You can act all righteous and seem like you care about Larson but I see through your BS.  You want him to lose everything he has but arent man enough to say it 



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could I propose, possibly as a compromise, a Kyle Larson wet T shirt contest ??????



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could I propose, possibly as a compromise, a Kyle Larson wet T shirt contest ??????



Oooboy DNQ.  I don't think you would like that.....at least not on my end wink   As Rodney Dangerfield once said, I have a body that will have to be donated to science fiction.  

 

 




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Oooboy DNQ.  I don't think you would like that.....at least not on my end wink   As Rodney Dangerfield once said, I have a body that will have to be donated to science fiction.  

 

 



to the last chance qualifier I go ......



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Posted By: NoDoors on April 18 2020 at 12:57:03 PM

In other word you want Kyle Larson to suffer becuase he made an honest mistake.  You can act all righteous and seem like you care about Larson but I see through your BS.  You want him to lose everything he has but arent man enough to say it 



If you didn't read between the lines and jump to conclusions you wouldn't get any exercise.  Did you even read my comments or is reading comprehension beyond your capabilities?  Day drinking might be the problem as that is the only reason I can imagine anyone getting my comments that twisted up.  


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The problem isn't finding people who want to see him race.  It also isn't finding team owners that understand the talent level he has.  The problem isn't getting sanctioning bodies to allow him to race.  

Then what's the problem?  These cars are advertising billboards.  The problem is going to be getting a sponsor with enough money to fund the car.  Who has the money to do this, you may ask?  Why, big companies do.  And big companines do business nationwide and worldwide.  They will not damage their image right now and risk their bottom-line.  Simple as that. 

No owner, including Tony, is going to risk sponsors of other team cars to snag a driver who can't find a sponsor.  

 

So, you ask, what happens next? 

I'm going to guess:

1.  He is reinstated by WoO and Nascar after his training later this season. 

2.  He will have to make a choice----run a sprint car the remainder of the season with the sponsors left or take the first ride offered in Nascar.  His sprint car ride will be heavily funded out of his own pocket, so that will not be a good thing for his bottom line.  However, the Nascar offer will likely be a one-car team just above "start and park" status with a small sponsor (that doesn't have a nationwide interest) resulting in small pay checks.  

3.  After running either (or a combination of both) options above for 1-3 years, he will likely get a better than average offer in Nascar once the dust settles and a sponsor is found.  It wil not be the caliber of the 48 or 14 cars.  

4.  He doesn't win another Nascar race in 4-5 years, hires a good financial planner, and runs the WoO for the remainder of his career.  

 

No one has to agree with this, it's just my opinion which was what we were asked here.  Smile



In point number 1 you say after he is reinstated by Napcrap and WOO. Last press release I read said the Outlaws weren't throwing him under the bus (i forget exactly how it was worded).

Did something change and I missed it?

                    




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In point number 1 you say after he is reinstated by Napcrap and WOO. Last press release I read said the Outlaws weren't throwing him under the bus (i forget exactly how it was worded).

Did something change and I missed it?

                    



Yes, you did.  Kyle will have to "complete a sensitivity training course within 30 days of the infraction" to word it exactly. 

 

I am assuming this means he will have to complete in order to compete.  By the way, smart move on the WoO's part IMO.  Not "throwing him under the bus" as you worded it.  



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One thing I will predict and take exception is the idea that he will fund his Sprint Car out of his own pocket to make up the slack for a lack of sponsors.  Right now his obligation is to his family and if racing Sprint Cars means spending more than he's taking in that (in my feeble mind) would not be in the best interests of his family.  I'm assuming that like other NASCAR drivers he owns a large home somewhere in North Carolina.  That property will still need to be maintained and perhaps there is still a mortgage.  He's married and has one child that I know of so the stress of losing everything must be unbelievable.  There is no guarantee that he will find adequate sponsorship for the Sprint Car.  Perhaps a partnership with another owner or something like that can be worked out but does a Sprint Car income even come close to covering the lifestyle he's likely living? 

I'm not going to make any predictions about sponsors or anything like that but all I can say is that Sprint Cars at a high level cost a ton of money.  Maybe not as much as a NASCAR team and maybe the driver's pay isn't as much but it's still more costly than most of us fans can afford.  This is a mess on a lot of levels as aside from completing the courses for NASCAR and the WoO there are still a lot of unknowns. 

I'm not calling for his demise, I think he went into rap music mode and found out that is not a wise thing to emulate their language in his daily conversation.  It wasn't if he would slip but when if he made it a habit of using that term.  I think it's more of a sign of a touch of immaturity, listening to questionable entertainment and not knowing he had a live mic.  If he never used that term in the first place none of this mess would have happened.  It's an uphill climb but I think we'll eventually see him driving again.  What and where I'm not sure but he will drive again if that's what he wants to do.



I can't get past the Kyle having a mortgage. Haha. I'm not saying it isn't possible but dang that's not living right if you make that much, have an Outlaw sprint car team, and still have a mortgage. 



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I have seen a lot of drivers come and go since 1960.  The only constant has been that the cars are still awesome and they still race on some of the same dirt tracks.  My point is that although I admire the talent of the driver's if I manage to hang around another 15 or 20 years most racing today will have retired by then.  I have a few drivers that I know personally and they are favorites in the sense that I can shoot the breeze with them when we run into each other but I'm not a shirt or autograph collector.

I don't dislike or like Larson because I have never seen him race in person.  It's cool that he reached a high level and I hope he can turn things around but I'm not going to stop going to races if he never races again.  In a few words what I'm trying to say is that to me the sport is bigger than any single driver.  If it wasn't I would have gave up watching it when my childhood heroes hung up their helmets in the 60's and 70's.  



Never saw him? You should. I've seen him plenty of times & he usually wins!




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In other word you want Kyle Larson to suffer becuase he made an honest mistake.  You can act all righteous and seem like you care about Larson but I see through your BS.  You want him to lose everything he has but arent man enough to say it 



Whre in Stan's post did he say he wanted Kyle to suffer?

Seems like you're looking for an argument....



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In other word you want Kyle Larson to suffer becuase he made an honest mistake.  You can act all righteous and seem like you care about Larson but I see through your BS.  You want him to lose everything he has but arent man enough to say it 



So your calling his mistake of saying the N word honest?  your right sir he was being honest about how he feels about the african american community and said what he said. You dont get it and never will cause you go around saying it I "presume" to call it honest.

Unless your African American you wont understand people like Larson saying that word and how it makes you feel. Mr.Larson has some asian in him and should know about sensitivity but he made so much money he thought he was well never mind im not racist so I wont touch it im over it and over people like Larson and its 2020 and some things are just never going to change but atleast for now his pocket book will change and nothing in this day and age will get your attention faster then that now will it?



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The government sent him a $1200 check so he should be fine.




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Yes, you did.  Kyle will have to "complete a sensitivity training course within 30 days of the infraction" to word it exactly. 

 

I am assuming this means he will have to complete in order to compete.  By the way, smart move on the WoO's part IMO.  Not "throwing him under the bus" as you worded it.  



I remember reading that but didn't remember it applying to WOO also. Thank you.



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I think it is pretty much a guarantee that he will be reinstated with both WoO & Nascar. Most likely WoO will make it offical before Nascar does. A variety of factors come into play here and one of them is still when is racing going to start up which that is not fully known yet. I think one of the factors to consider is what type of actions have been taken when that time comes. The last couple of stories are pretty encouraging with him reaching out to Bubba Wallace almost immediately  & Willy T Ribbs later on. From what both of those individuals said it basically counters the Reggie Bush's and NY Mets Pitcher's type line of thinking as far as Kyle's character.

Where does he go from here? Not sure. Maybe a sit down interview may help after the classes he takes to get his side of the story. Risky as some hard questions will be asked of him that he will have to put on film and be judged again, but could also show the good side of him. Up until now you have had many other athletes accuse him of his apology was just to keep sponsors when I think everyone including himself knew that it was not going to happen. With the National attention it has gotten, maybe an interview can show the true side of Kyle versus what may have been written.

As far as timelines go for a quality ride to where he can compete to win races, its impossible in today's world to tell. On one hand it could be 4-5 years or longer, on the other we also know that if a driver gets injured or has to sit out some races in either Xfinity or Cup the first driver that will be brought up is Kyle Larson. With how many TV shows there are now for Nascar, it will be brought up every time. Silly season every year it will be brought up, what about Kyle Larson from all of them. If he is able to get a ride whether it be a start & park or field filler Nascar wise, he has to realize that every word that comes out of his mouth going forward for the next handful of years will be under a microscope 100 times more than what it was. Hopefully he can use that to his advantage.

It will be news the first time he hits the track whether on dirt or Nascar. He wins on dirt it will be news so his victory lane speech will be analyzed. The first time he gets into a ride in Nascar he will be interviewed constantly and it will be over analyzed. He most likely will be doing some sort of interview towards the end of the season with some Nascar broadcaster and it to will be over analyzed but hopefully he realizes that those interviews he is not talking to the microphone, he is talking to all potential sponsors and owners who are talking to those sponsors.





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