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No prob.  I had to look it back up myself just to be sure I read it right.  

This is it.  Stan, together with his new buddy NoDoors have resolved the issue.  We have our solution.  Beginning next week, Fox Sports will present their new version of Esports. All drivers, in all classes may participate.  Stan and No doors shall start on the pole. (Larson, Swindell, anyone named Busch, and all the fans at Suquehanna speedway that walked out when Tony disqualified the Pa. Posse for pitcrew members standing in the wrong spot (during a red flag) also start in the rear.

First Heat: Reading between the lines: The Waltrip family will start us with a reading of the NASCAR rulebook..  After 16 hours he closes with "don't forget to use the words Nascar and Great in each sentence 3 times.

2nd heat: Conclusion jumping: Similiar to restart jumping only the flagman has a shotgun in addition to the normal flags to settle questionable jumps. Note: Nodoors should take note of this one cause I think Stan was in about the same mood as Sammy used to be when Steve passed him.....

Last chance comprehension qualifier.  Contestants will guess the number of WOO feature wins Joey Saldana would have collected if every race had been 5 laps shorter.....

Feature: Day drinking. Anyone, and I mean anyone who can beat Mrs. Larson and the Victory Lane beer shooter she pulled at the Chili bowl makes the feature.  She won the championship.  and by the end of day drinking. no one remembered who finished 2nd....

Are you just as offended by the way the word is thrown around in the rap industry, because I must have missed that part in your post, or are you just picking and choosing a select few to throw under the bus?

I haven't heard one single person on this entire forum condoning the use of that word in rap music.  What did I miss?  Why do you think everyone is accepting of it in rap music?  I'm not.  

I'm offended, as are most self respecting black people

Black jazz musician Wynton Marsalis calls rap a form of "minstrel shows": black people acting the fool for the entertainment of Caucasians & wannabe "gangstas"

IMHO - The tallest hurdle Larson has to clear is the Cup car/owner,  being able to find a sponsor who will take abuse immediately if he decides to sponsor a car Larson is driving. Sure the abuse will go away, but that is clearly something a sponsor will be thinking about, unless a year or two passes, he spends it in sprint cars (great for us, sort of), wins wins wins regularly, then after all that time, a Cup sponsor will come on board hoping the public and the media keep a little quiet on this subject and don't blow it up again.

As I've said before, that is a word that is out there in public-land, especially in crap music that young people listen too and on tv shows like People's Court, Judge Smashmouth Judy, Judy Dave, Judge John Doe, too many judge shows to name.  Always cases on those shows almost daily with that word being used in video,audio or/and written testamony by the plantiff or defendant in their lawsuits,  99% involving black plantiffs and defendants.  In these small claims court cases, the phrase, "write it forget it, say it, regret it" doesn't apply because written testimony is allowed.   

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

My response wasn't directed towards you.

HERE IS HOW HE CLEARS THE HURTLE OF A CUP OWNER:...      who told the world to suck it and hired Curt Busch when the world wanted him gone..  Who started a F1 team just kinda because he wanted to.  Who, god who could have ever delt with a notorious driver who was always saying something wrong about everybody.  Someone like say, Tony Stewart.  Which car company just fired Larson.... Who has been in a game of one upmanship with Ford for about 50 yrs. (remember the Jeff Gordon/Ray Everham hiest right from under their noses ? ) Who knows a Cup Owner that is also involved in sprint car racing WITH FORD.. Who knows a recently fired driver who owns a sprint car team that maybe could use some nice FORD engines..  Let me see... Kyle Larson, Gene Haus, Ford, Tony, WOO, NASCAR, a little PR...a  little more PR...  few victory lanes celebrations...   It would take someone smarter than me to put all that together........

Seems like a good time to give HH's a break until racing resumes.  There is nothing of substance to see here. 

Stan Meissner

What Kyle said was wrong and he knows it.  Question is would NASCAR take every HALL OF FAME member  out of HOF for using it?  Like I said it was wrong but I do not think Kyle is a racist.  He just screwed up.  

I would guess 90% or more of the racing community are already over this. Ready to forgive Kyle and move on.
He got caught using the word online and it spreads like wildfire. Over this he lost his job with nascar breaking his contract. The owners, sponsors, and so on follow. Its up to them on how they want to deal with it, they did, and will make future decisions on the outcome. Im sure if you asked Kyle a week before this happened, if you got caught using the word what would happen? I am sure he was aware and this was no surprise.

I am not proud to say, but I have used the word on many occasions. Never have I used it as a general description of the african american race in general. When I have been mad enough to use slurs its always about the actions of a person not the color of their skin. I do not think it is a good word to use along with many other slurs. Even though a portion of the younger generation, and certain music use the word quite often watering down its original use. Again still not making it acceptable.

I dont think anyone believes Kyle is a bad person. Everyone makes mistakes on many levels. They are something you have to live with. There have been many celebrities, athletes, and every day people make worse mistakes and eventually it was forgiven or forgotten. This will pass as well.  

That's what I said.  I don't think anyone one this forum has said they think using that word in rap music is acceptable.  But, I don't know what that has to do with Kyle Larson and his situation.  

I know that.  No issue

I agree with most of what you say.  I actually think well over 90% of the racing community seems to have forgiven him by the comments on social media.  Nascar did not break Kyle's contract though.  They just suspended him.  Chip and the sponsors were on their way out the door no matter what Nascar did.  I also agree with your assessment that Kyle was not surprised at all by the backlash and firing.  

If it were a stick and ball sport, he would be back in no time.  It's not, and he won't be back until a major US company steps forward and offers to make him the face of their company.  That is that part that will not be up to us, the forgiving Nascar fan.  Nor will it be up to Nascar when his training is complete.  

I'll defend it. I find it absolutely hysterical that some white people get offended because black people use the word. While I'm not a fan of the word, I've had several black friends that used the word, sometimes ending in an "a" and sometimes with an "er", but you know what was missing, racial intent, they were NOT demeaning each other or trying to make their fellow man feel like a worthless POS. When a white man or any non white drops an n bomb on a black person, it's not a term of endearment. 

The best example of the word being used between black and white took place between Richard Pryor and Chevy Chase back in the 70s on an SNL episode. It's an all time classic.

Btw I do not believe Larson is a racist, but he's also obviously ok with using the word or it never would of come out of his mouth and that is an issue that he is now dealing with big time.

"Gimme fuel, Gimme fire, Gimme that which I desire!"

People keep asking "if its Ok for black people to use it, why not white people?"

Right. Most of us have done something stupid & said to ourselves, "I'm such an idiot"

But when somebody else calls us an idiot, we don't like it...

It's absolutely "fine" for anyone to use the word.  I can walk down the street right now and shout it at the top of my lungs and no one is going to throw me in jail or issue me a ticket------nor will they ever if our constitution holds true forever. 

My opinion of the word is that it's not "fine" to use the word ever-----but that is just my feelings.  And since there are a good percentage of people who are not fine with it, and a good percentage of people that are sensitive about it, companies like Walmart (who stopped selling Confederate flags) who do business with the entire population, have a PR dept. that gives them direction on situations just like this.

Chevy and Credit One bank were in the same spotlight and their PR dept. made the correct move.  

Once again, none of this comes back to who is "allowed" to say it and who isn't.  Rappers and comedians can make a very, very good living catering to 10% of the population while pissing off 90% of it.  They don't need to appeal to the general public, but more importantly, they can piss off almost all of the population and still make a damned good living doing it.  After all, free speech is in tact and they can do their performances all they want.  

None of what rappers and comedians say should be compared to what a Nascar driver can say.  It's not a double standard---it's the manner in which they make their livings.  If John Menard wanted to start a Nascar team and have Paul drive the car, he could say whatever he wanted in the public spotlight----after all, it's his business he is damaging, not someone elses.  And if he did, Nascar would issue a penalty, the penalty would be served, and the car would be right back on the track with "Menards" on the door.  Larson does not have this option

Duh. Go back and read his entire post. 

Keep It Real

Im sorry for being black and commentin on your white forum. What the hell does rap music have a damn thing to do with larson? Nothing so??? I wished larson had the sack to talk shit in front of one of us but he dont he hides behind a keyboard and mic