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larsonfan
February 09, 2020 at 03:46:48 PM
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Wow, what a demo derby. Love it when they hype these guys as the world's best.




egras
February 09, 2020 at 06:05:12 PM
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Wow, what a demo derby. Love it when they hype these guys as the world's best.



It's the "Great American Race" lead-up.  Why are we dumb enough each year to tune in?  I tuned in because Larson was in the race and for a second I thought he would win.  What a joke this "racing" package is.  Still, I'll tune in next Sunday like a moron



dsc1600
February 09, 2020 at 06:27:10 PM
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I went to this race a few years back because I'd never been to Daytona and wanted to see something there. I thought it would be like Indy, where you feel the history and the bigness of the track immediately. Needless to say it was underwhelming both in terms of the track and the racing. I'm sure the 500 is a lot of fun to go to and I'll be watching next week like many others. But it's probably the only race all year I'll watch from start to finish. 




Moparcar250
February 10, 2020 at 10:27:23 AM
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i cant stand nascar anymore, but i still watch the 500 everyyear. mostly just an excuse to have a party and drink . 



Dryslick Willie
February 10, 2020 at 10:57:22 AM
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Someone on the midsouth racing forums just had an excellent suggestion.  Instead of the Busch Clash, how about the Busch Crash?



JP50138
February 10, 2020 at 11:07:07 AM
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The racing is truly terrible, but there is still something magical about Daytona in particular.  Part of it is the memories and reminiscing over the glory days, and part of it in the signal that winter is nearing and end and spring is coming.  I was just having a conversation yesterday about this.  Even as unwatchable as their current product is, I look forward to the first few races of the season as it ushers in spring and we can get back to sprint car racing.  




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Posted By: JP50138 on February 10 2020 at 11:07:07 AM

The racing is truly terrible, but there is still something magical about Daytona in particular.  Part of it is the memories and reminiscing over the glory days, and part of it in the signal that winter is nearing and end and spring is coming.  I was just having a conversation yesterday about this.  Even as unwatchable as their current product is, I look forward to the first few races of the season as it ushers in spring and we can get back to sprint car racing.  



Waltrip said the cars were around $250K and if the race would have been ten laps long the carnage would be about the same.I dont care for wrecks but that was as bad as it gets!



Nick14
February 10, 2020 at 03:00:14 PM
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I used to be a huge Nascar fan when I was a kid. We didn't have cable until I was about 13years old and the only way to hear about the races was to listen to them on MRN radio. I would play with my racing champion/hotwheel cars as the race went on. Once we got cable I would watch the Trucks, Busch, Cup qualifying, happy hour, and races each lap. Even went to Daytona for 3years for the 400 race and enjoyed it back in 05-07. Racing was still good but now it is no longer the greatest drivers in the world. Owners started getting way to greedy especially Hendrick, Roush, Childress, Gibbs and all the super teams. Seeing a different sponsor on a car each race and saying the cost have gone so much and companies aren't willing to pay for a whole season while they continue to buy vinyards, yachts, 3rd/4th houses, and helicopters is just ludacris. Used to be that drivers go there on talent and the owners scouted to find the next best driver. Now they scout to see who brings the most money. Seeing drivers lose rides and replaced by other drivers with less talent just because the other driver brought more funding was when I started losing respect for the sport.

As for the racing at Daytona goes, they realy need to eliminate the blocking. If the only way to maintain your position is to just cutoff the driver behind you is just a stupid way of racing not to mention dangerous.



larsonfan
February 10, 2020 at 03:31:02 PM
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Posted By: Nick14 on February 10 2020 at 03:00:14 PM

I used to be a huge Nascar fan when I was a kid. We didn't have cable until I was about 13years old and the only way to hear about the races was to listen to them on MRN radio. I would play with my racing champion/hotwheel cars as the race went on. Once we got cable I would watch the Trucks, Busch, Cup qualifying, happy hour, and races each lap. Even went to Daytona for 3years for the 400 race and enjoyed it back in 05-07. Racing was still good but now it is no longer the greatest drivers in the world. Owners started getting way to greedy especially Hendrick, Roush, Childress, Gibbs and all the super teams. Seeing a different sponsor on a car each race and saying the cost have gone so much and companies aren't willing to pay for a whole season while they continue to buy vinyards, yachts, 3rd/4th houses, and helicopters is just ludacris. Used to be that drivers go there on talent and the owners scouted to find the next best driver. Now they scout to see who brings the most money. Seeing drivers lose rides and replaced by other drivers with less talent just because the other driver brought more funding was when I started losing respect for the sport.

As for the racing at Daytona goes, they realy need to eliminate the blocking. If the only way to maintain your position is to just cutoff the driver behind you is just a stupid way of racing not to mention dangerous.



Likewise. I loved it then too.

As many others here have said, I watch Daytona because of our sprint cars guys who race in it.

But - it's the same story for me every year.... I get excited for the Daytona Speedweek races, then tune in the next week wherever cookie-cutter track they are running and turn it off 10 laps in due to boredom. Last year I never watched another race after Daytona.

And....none of you have a seen a hype-machine like you are going to see in motion promoting Danica Deegan. It will be over-the-top (and has already started).




Johnny Utah
February 10, 2020 at 05:08:54 PM
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You never saw huge blocks and people driving with snow plows on the front of their cars back in the day because the drivers actually had some respect for each other. They knew if they dropkicked someone out of the way, or threw a vicious block, there was a good chance they were gonna end up in the hospital or in the back of a hearse.

These cars are so safe today it seems no one gives any of these banzai moves any second thought.  They're just like Wile E. Coyote when he sat his ass in the slingshot and smashed his face off the rock cliff. "Ooop. It was the last lap, what did you want me to do? I'll be back next week. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk."

I have seen some of the most cartoonish wrecks in the past ten years and almost everytime the guys just get out and get back in next week. Larson and Dillon having the goddamn engines torn out of their cars at Daytona. Kyle Busch driving head on into the wall in his first drive in the Monster 54 (The one where Buescher won, not when Kyle got hurt). People talk about how Darrell Waltrip was never the same after his 1983 crash at Daytona. 

I'm glad the cars are safe, but at the restrictor plate tracks these guys drive like Mario or Luigi when they reach up and touch the star.

 

PS: I still always watch Daytona even though I know what is going to happen. 175 laps of strategy and semi-boring racing, followed by an absolute melee in the final laps that takes out millions of dollars worth of machinery. Why? Nostalgia is a hell of a drug at times.



Nick14
February 10, 2020 at 07:54:01 PM
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Posted By: larsonfan on February 10 2020 at 03:31:02 PM

Likewise. I loved it then too.

As many others here have said, I watch Daytona because of our sprint cars guys who race in it.

But - it's the same story for me every year.... I get excited for the Daytona Speedweek races, then tune in the next week wherever cookie-cutter track they are running and turn it off 10 laps in due to boredom. Last year I never watched another race after Daytona.

And....none of you have a seen a hype-machine like you are going to see in motion promoting Danica Deegan. It will be over-the-top (and has already started).



I actually think Deegan can be successful and she seems to be taking a pretty good approach. Will be more successful than Danica but that's setting the bar low lol. I like that she seems to have a genuine interest in being a racer & not a marketing machine. I think Nascar is just unfortunately going to make people hate her because of their hype machine like the did with Danica. For that matter, Johnson & other drivers because of their machine & telling fans how great they are & how we should like them. 

Just be like Ken Squire, Bob Jenkins, and Eli Gold and call the action. Fans can decide who they like & don't like



hardon
February 10, 2020 at 11:24:07 PM
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I'll play the devils advocate here.  I don't watch a bunch of NASCAR anymore, basically, if I have nothing else going on, I'll watch the race.  It used to be that I wouldn't miss a race no matter what but not anymore.  Anyway, from what I saw last year, I think the racing is improving.  Is it to the level that it was from 1990-2005?  I don't think so but I do think the racing has gotten better over the past couple years (especially the Kentucky race last year).  I think Brian France getting booted out was a good thing.  Actually from what I remember the racing last year was pretty good (I'm not talking about Daytona or Talladega but in reality hasn't that always been kind of a joke?). 

But why don't I make it a point to watch anymore?  For me I think it's because of the drivers and the cars.  As for the drivers, 15-20 years ago I really believed that the best drivers in the world raced in NASCAR, today I don't think it's the best drivers anymore but the richest or most marketable who want to be racers like Paul Menard, Danica Patrick, Austin Dillon, Ty Dillon, Daniel Suarez.  Did those drivers ever really impress anyone coming up?  Did their results in cup impress anyone?  Yet year after year they all stayed in very good equipment, maybe not the best equipment but none of them were driving for start and park teams by any means.  Another thing that bugs me with the drivers is it seems there's no personality in any of the drivers anymore, other than Clint Bowyer and Kyle Busch but Kyle Busch isn't the personality I care to see lol.  Think back to 1994-2010, there was a ton of personality in the sport and a lot of different types of personalities, the drivers drew in a whole bunch of different fans.  I don't think that's the case anymore.

As for the cars there's a couple of issues I think.  First off, is there any part of the current cars that have anything to do with the stock versions?  Other than the look?  I think it's obvious that stock cars can't be raced but at least I would feel better if there was something that came from the factory cars like sheetmetal or something.  The other thing is the models that they are currently using.  For me personally I don't know anyone that owns a Camaro, Mustang or Camry or Supra, whatever Toyota is running now.  Most people don't drive cars anymore and have no desire to either.  I used to see a bunch of Monte Carlos, Luminas, Taureses and Intrepids, I was quite familiar with all of the cars and have ridden in or driven these many times.  So do the fans really have any connection to these race cars anymore?  I know I don't.




Dryslick Willie
February 11, 2020 at 06:04:18 AM
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Hold that thought Hardon.   If you like the current state of NASCAR enjoy it while you can because apparently some radical changes are coming in the cars for 2021. 



racemak
February 11, 2020 at 06:22:54 AM
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This message was edited on February 11, 2020 at 06:23:55 AM by racemak

The radio broadcast of the Clash was one long commercial. Does the racing exist because of the commercials or do the commercials exist because of the racing? 



egras
February 11, 2020 at 06:30:40 AM
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Hold that thought Hardon.   If you like the current state of NASCAR enjoy it while you can because apparently some radical changes are coming in the cars for 2021. 



From what I'm gathering, the changes will make these cars even more like IROC cars and will make the racing even worse than it already is.  The COT car had a lot to do the fall of Nascar.  This is about to get a whole lot worse with a "new" car.   

 

I recently was asked to look at a package of parts for the new NASCAR car and help an area manufacturer quote.  Without saying what sub-assembly I was looking at, I was shocked that this assembly was being quoted by NASCAR and wasn't bought or manufactured by each individual team.  I received the prints for it before it was released there was going to be changes to the car in 2021.   Now it makes sense.  It looks to me like the only difference between the cars will end up being the driver.  I know there aren't a lot of things they can change now, but it looks to be going to complete and total IROC.  




Moparcar250
February 11, 2020 at 09:41:24 AM
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From what I'm gathering, the changes will make these cars even more like IROC cars and will make the racing even worse than it already is.  The COT car had a lot to do the fall of Nascar.  This is about to get a whole lot worse with a "new" car.   

 

I recently was asked to look at a package of parts for the new NASCAR car and help an area manufacturer quote.  Without saying what sub-assembly I was looking at, I was shocked that this assembly was being quoted by NASCAR and wasn't bought or manufactured by each individual team.  I received the prints for it before it was released there was going to be changes to the car in 2021.   Now it makes sense.  It looks to me like the only difference between the cars will end up being the driver.  I know there aren't a lot of things they can change now, but it looks to be going to complete and total IROC.  



 

well that sucks 



egras
February 11, 2020 at 10:50:05 AM
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well that sucks 



As I said, I only saw a small sample size, but after viewing an assembly and part's quote, and then hearing this weekend that Nascar is going to unveil a new car, which is supposed to save the teams millions, I am putting the pieces together in my head.  Cars will be kits with parts purchased directly from Nascar or from a supplier to Nascar.  Teams will insert their driver and presto-------there's your Nascar "team".  Really sucks.  Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be less innovation and creativity.  What do the teams do during testing?  I guess there's one huge savings-----why test when the cars are identical in all aspects?   I guess the testing would simply be driver practice.  ????



Moparcar250
February 11, 2020 at 11:44:42 AM
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As I said, I only saw a small sample size, but after viewing an assembly and part's quote, and then hearing this weekend that Nascar is going to unveil a new car, which is supposed to save the teams millions, I am putting the pieces together in my head.  Cars will be kits with parts purchased directly from Nascar or from a supplier to Nascar.  Teams will insert their driver and presto-------there's your Nascar "team".  Really sucks.  Just when you thought there couldn't possibly be less innovation and creativity.  What do the teams do during testing?  I guess there's one huge savings-----why test when the cars are identical in all aspects?   I guess the testing would simply be driver practice.  ????



 

You said that it should save teams millions. Do you think that will open the door for more teams and different drivers to get into the sport that might not have ?




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February 11, 2020 at 12:02:29 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on February 10 2020 at 05:08:54 PM

You never saw huge blocks and people driving with snow plows on the front of their cars back in the day because the drivers actually had some respect for each other. They knew if they dropkicked someone out of the way, or threw a vicious block, there was a good chance they were gonna end up in the hospital or in the back of a hearse.

These cars are so safe today it seems no one gives any of these banzai moves any second thought.  They're just like Wile E. Coyote when he sat his ass in the slingshot and smashed his face off the rock cliff. "Ooop. It was the last lap, what did you want me to do? I'll be back next week. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk."

I have seen some of the most cartoonish wrecks in the past ten years and almost everytime the guys just get out and get back in next week. Larson and Dillon having the goddamn engines torn out of their cars at Daytona. Kyle Busch driving head on into the wall in his first drive in the Monster 54 (The one where Buescher won, not when Kyle got hurt). People talk about how Darrell Waltrip was never the same after his 1983 crash at Daytona. 

I'm glad the cars are safe, but at the restrictor plate tracks these guys drive like Mario or Luigi when they reach up and touch the star.

 

PS: I still always watch Daytona even though I know what is going to happen. 175 laps of strategy and semi-boring racing, followed by an absolute melee in the final laps that takes out millions of dollars worth of machinery. Why? Nostalgia is a hell of a drug at times.



You hit the nail directly on the head. I have a buddy who is a NASCAR fan and I've been telling him for the past several years that most of these guys seem to think they're invincible and that the soft walls & all of the other safety advancements (and I applaud NASCAR for what they've done) have led to reckless behavior on the racetrack. They don't respect the danger anymore and while NASCAR has gotten MUCH safer since 2001, you're going to see something really bad happen. You can only roll the dice so many times before you get snake eyes.



egras
February 11, 2020 at 12:53:30 PM
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You said that it should save teams millions. Do you think that will open the door for more teams and different drivers to get into the sport that might not have ?



I don't remember where I heard it or read it but the word "millions" was thrown in there.  I think owners are hemorraging money right now so it is simply a fun thing to do with all of their wealth vs. a business.  If owners want to operate and pay drivers while making a profit, they are going to have to shave costs considerably.  Sponsorship money is just not there anymore when no one is filling the seats and/or tuning in like they used to.  

 

Your question with drivers?  Yes, I think some high-dollar drivers are going to be passed over for cheaper options----besides the teams with bottomless pockets.  Lower budget teams?  Likely.  It may bring more cars, etc, but the "racing" part of racing is going get worse.  Everyone thinks they are bulldozers that can't pass now?   Wait til we even them out some more.  





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