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i never really watch nascar anymore like i used besides the 500, so i guess its not a huge deal to me. I just keep hoping it will get better and be like it used too. 

The article I read stated that they wanted to make it more like IMSA racing and attract more manufacturers.   Right now you have three, and they mentioned Honda as one of the ones they'd like to see get into it.   Of course I'm sure there are a few more too.   

https://www.autoweek.com/racing/a30351017/next-gen-what-we-know-about-nascars-new-car/

Classic case of reading only what you want or twisting words.  I didn't say I liked the current state of NASCAR, I simply said that I believed the racing was improving, do I think it's great or as great as it's been in the past?  Not at all.  But it's not going to be fixed overnight either, just as it didn't get to the state it's in now overnight.

As for the cars, again, I'll play devil's advocate.  First off there's a lot of things I really don't like.  But I think there's a lot of things that could be good.  First off "saving the teams millions of dollars", how can anyone think that's a bad thing?  That has so much potential to do so many great things for everyone involved (more owners, more diverse drivers, possibly ending the buy a ride deal).  Second I think the composite bodys could be a good thing, it will be cheaper to build a body and everyone has the same body, they can get rid of the wind tunnel testing.

Buying parts only from an independent manufacturer, I think that's a good thing as long as it's honest.  So you're telling me if I had a big enough check book I could go out and get the same equipment Kyle Busch has?  How can that be a bad thing?  As for turning the cars into IROC cars (where they are all identical), what's wrong with that?  If you want to go back to NASCAR's roots, didn't it start with guys buying cars from a few different manufacturers (Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Hudson) that were all identical?  I think a lot of people think the racing has been bad because all the cars are so equal now.  I disagree, I think the racing has been bad because the cars are so aero dependant.  Basically from what I've seen is at a high speed track there is no way a car following the leader can be faster because of dirty air.  If this new car can reduce aero dependency, I think the racing could be good again.  I promise you that the good teams will still find a way to win with these new cars.  The better drivers and crew chiefs will still win.  Also isn't that the way sprint cars are?  How many sprint car teams build their own cars and engines or any other parts on the car?  Don't most of them buy the parts from manufacturers?

I'll admit, I've been called an optimist.  This new car might be worse than the COT.  But I'll wait until it fails to say that.  It might work out, it might be the best thing to happen to NASCAR.  But it could be horrible.  No doubt there will be some growing pains.

Thanks for sharing the article, it was an interesting read.  I missed where it said they wanted to make NASCAR more like IMSA racing?  Please show me where it states that.  Looks like you might have some reading comprehension issues, since that's two things you've had trouble comprehending today.

Dude, lighten the hell up!   My only point, regardless of whether someone likes the way things are or not, it's going to change in a big way next year.

The Next-Gen addresses that. The series is taking some cues from the smaller, but very healthy, IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship—which is dear to the heart of France family patriarch Jim France.

A short paragraph from the very article that you say I'm incapable of fully comprehending....  Maybe you're the one that has comprehension issues?

you cant compare sprints to nascar, that's comparing apples and oranges

Part of me sees how the racing has changed and another part of me says that I should support NASCAR because it's racing and all racing is good.  As someone who no longer cares for those 2am solo drives home from dirt tracks most of my racing these days takes place on television and that will be a greater percentage of my racing as my night vision gets worse.  

My solution is to watch NASCAR out of one eye while surfing the web on the laptop or picking up one of the half dozen guitars in the room and running scales.  In other words, I have NASCAR on in the background while I'm doing other things at the same time.  After Daytona I have a few favorite tracks I like to watch, Atlanta, Bristol, Darlington and Talledega and Kansas where I attended my one and only NASCAR race while watching the Late Models at Lakeside that same weekend.  The rest of my racing will be Flo, MAV and a few live shows that I'll probably dust the camera off and spend the night chasing around the infield.

If I didn't care for NASCAR I would stop watching but it's still entertaining enough to hold a time slot in my race viewing agenda.  

Stan Meissner

WOW! So that's "progress" ????

Makes sprint cars even more appealing to me. They're pretty much the same as they were 40 years ago. There's bigger dollars, fancier stuff, exotic metals (for sprint cars, anyway) but they're still basically the same - torsion bar suspension, tube frame, direct drive...... 

Can't help but think they wouldn't be selling bleachers and thinking about what works for IMSA, if the "stock cars" weren't still basically the same as the haydays.

Amen, I love that sprint cars are still the same radical machines they've always been.   The sprint car is the only machine I'll actually pay to go see.   I'll go to a NASCAR race if someone gives me a ticket.  With the current state of things in NASCAR I've been watching the races completely as long as Larson is in contention.   The second he's out of contention I'm changing the channel.   I'm a little more excited for this year since Christopher Bell will be there too.   As for 2021 I'll just see what it's like and I'll try to be open minded.   Overall, I'm guessing I'll be about as impressed with it as I am IMSA...

Agree with you Willie.  I am only interested in how Larson does (and now Bell.)  I am about 1% as interested in the outcome if he is knocked out of contention.  I just absolutely cannot stand 90% of the spoiled brat drivers in the series.  I can't stand the complete lack of respect for team equipment and the work crews put into the cars they tear up because of their little temper tantrums.  Also, anyone else annoyed by the phony wives they tote around?  You know what Kyle Busch's wife would look like if he were an electrician or carpenter?  She'd look like me with boobs

I love it Egras!   Hilarious!  

In my opinion IMSA's product is way better than NASCAR. If I have to attend a race in person Im taking IMSA all day. I was at one of Larson's Michigan wins and with the late race restarts and the fact that Larson won... probably makes it the greatest NASCAR race I could imagine attending. I was still bored out of my mind. Meanwhile spending the day at Mid-Ohio seeing the different makes and models of sports cars, prototypes, etc... Being able to walk around the track and spectate different sections of the track throughout the race. I'd pay 2-3x more for that ticket.

The lack of respect & temper tantrums are starting to get old. Seems like the past couple years my news feed is more about the hissy fits after the race than the race itself. Nascar tries to promote it with how competitve and on edge from the pressure they are under it when its just them mad not getting their way. What's worst is half the time its not even a fight because the pit crews get in between them & just a pushing matchs happens. Especially the Penske drivers Joey & Brad. First to throw a fit when someone does something to them but when someone is pissed at them they get behind their pit crew & pretend all it was is hard racing. If you're afraid of getting punched in the mouth in the pits then you shouldn't do the crap on the track. I remember seeing Gordon and Jarrett arguing with no one in between them, Earnhardt and Wallace. First race I ever saw was the 91 Daytona 500 with Petty & Hillin walking through the infield with no one getting between them. That was a little more intriguing than 20 people falling down together pushing and shoving with no punchs thrown.

NASCAR is what happens when money takes over.  That's a two edged sword because it will continue to siphon off promising open wheel drivers due to the economics.  As much as I love Sprint Car racing if I was a young driver and got an offer to make that kind of living with the endorsements and celebrity it would be hard to resist.

I dont, however, hope for NASCRs demise because it gives legitimacy to racing in the eyes of the public.  NASCARs success has a trickle down effect on all of racing and if it did not exist I think it would make racing an easier Target for regulation and closing tracks.  Mention that you're a racing fan to any non race fan and what's the first thing they say?  "Oh, you like NASCAR" is the reply I hear most often so all racing is synonymous with NASCAR in the eyes of the masses.  

Stan Meissner

Yup.  Have always been tempers and spats.  But, you are correct-----it's different now.  It's like a bunch of silly slapping between rich kids.  Can't stand it

Interesting perspective, since I've never had the IMSA experience.   I just don't pay much attention to it and have never experienced any road racing.    With regard to NASCAR, I went to the April race two years ago at TMS because my daughter got me tickets for Christmas.   I enjoyed it, but not as much as a sprint car race.   I left 50 laps from the end of it even though Larson was still in contention.   Just didn't want to get snagged in the post race traffic.   

Lot different today.But to me the worlds greatest drivers title would go to the ones that can drive anything.There arent many that are in the class of A.J. Mario,Tony to name a  few. The money has changed the game and true talent isnt always the agenda. There are many good drivers that are specialized in one form of racing.Of course we all love the ones that make it to the big money and are glad to show their talent and love of where they started and many are giving back by having teams or sponsoring help in the other venues.Some of the ,and USAC drivers have gotten a shot at pavement and were able to make it.

I agree.  I had a "heated debate" with a co-worker who was dumbfounded when I said Larson was likely the most talented driver in Nascar and told him "watch out for the Bell kid."  Of course, he was all about Logano, the Busch brothers, Hamlin, etc.  He didn't understand how the most talented driver could only have "6 wins in his whole career."  I had to clear that "fact" up for him.  I explained that there are very few drivers in Nascar who have even sniffed victory lane as many times as Kyle has been there------just because it wasn't on national TV on a Sunday.  

I am expecting Larson to come out of the gates really strong in the first 1/4 of this season and we'll see where it goes from there.  

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