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so am I reading this right, Badlands track is paying up to 400 weekly in travel money.

BWW is paying 200 weekly, and then 200 for a point fund for travel assistance for 13 events

so a car from southern iowa would make 600 just in tow money every Sat, then if they start the a main get another 700.

1300 every sat, that is simply amazing.  This is good stuff, calling Dustin Salvage.  Your low budget 410 engine would easily, be able to win on certain track conditions.  trust me, I seen a 360 beat the 410's numerous times

The way I read it on ibracn was you have to be a Northern Outlaw Sprint Association member to get the BWW $200 travel assistance. NOSA is a North Dakota group who run mainly at Grand Forks N.D.

I think southern Iowa cars would just get the $400 travel assistance.

The Travel Assistance Program seems like it may not pay out every week to me, especially if there is potential weather.  From the Badlands website regarding the Rainout Policy:

Seems like the 360's and classes running on Sunday will be the big losers if it ever rains on a Saturday too.  Their shows get cancelled alltogether even if the weather is perfect on Sunday....

In the event of a Saturday Featured event rainout:

• The race will be moved to the following night (Sunday).
• The typical “Half Price Family Night” Sunday show would be cancelled.
• Spectator tickets issued for the rained out event will be honored as rainchecks for either the following night’s rain date OR next Saturday’s Featured event.
• All GA ticket pricing for Sunday night’s rain date will be $20, not the usual $10.
• Pit Passes will be good for the following night’s rain date (Sunday) OR next Saturday’s Featured event.
• If the Sunday night rain date is also rained out, spectator tickets and pit passes will be honored the following Saturday only.
• DRIVERS: The Travel Assistance Program is only paid out if our Driver Services building opens up on Saturday, which will be determined by the discretion of the promoter. Only drivers that were checked in through the back pit gate on Saturday will receive TAP.

The Travel Assistance Program is only paid out if our Driver Services building opens up on Saturday, which will be determined by the discretion of the promoter. 

So all he has to do is not open the building on a given night and the drivers who traveled get screwed? This sounds scary to me.

I figure the building doesn't open if the weather is iffy.

I also think he's screwing the 360 teams that have supported Huset's for years by cancelling the Sunday night show if Saturday is rained out so they can run the Saturday show on Sunday.

Now, as I've said multiple times, I have no dog in the fight and drivers/teams can race where and when they want.  I think there will be great racing at both venues on Saturday Nights.

If there's a loophole................ lol

"Gimme fuel, Gimme fire, Gimme that which I desire!"

If Badlands wants drivers to travel 3 and 4 hours to race at the facility and the TAP money is subject to the Driver Services building being open.....then they should announce cancellations between Noon and 1:00 on the day of the race.....2:00 at the very latest.......Saturday under normal conditions and Sunday if the Saturday event has been moved.

I agree with your comment about how the 360's are screwed by a Saturday rain out (and the other support classes that have stuck by Huset's over the years) If the event gets rained out on Saturday they need to suck it up and wait for the following Saturday to get the 410 show in.  Don't screw over the Sunday night drivers!

Now you morons are bitching about the TAP. Unbeliveable

Don't see a lot of bitching.....mostly curiousity......the only bitching I'm aware of regarding the TAP money was by some teams that would recieve a whopping $27.00 to tow to the track. Personally I do think basing tow money on distance is ridiculous unless the mileage thing comes in as a bonus to those towing in from further out. The locals should recieve a fair amount to support the facility also. JMO

I don't see it on the rainout policy but I think I got an email saying that if Saturday rains out - the Sunday classes are 

410 sprints

360 sprints

IMCA RaceSaver Sprints

Street Stocks

I guess all I ask is for it to be CLEAR as opposed to contradicting statements.

If you are paying tow $$, why would it only be paid if a specific building is opened (at the discretion of the promotor) in the event of a rainout?

If you are cancelling the Sunday show if Saturday rains out, are you really cancelling it all, or will some classes get to run?  seems like some contradicting statements (if you have an e-mail but their website says something different)

Like I've stated, I have no dog in the fight, I don't own a car.  But, for those that do own one, I hope these statements are clarified in the rules and on the website. 

I don't want to see a low-buck team travel 250 miles under the guise of tow $$$ only to be waiting in line to get into the pits and then have the races rained-out and then get $0 in tow money because the promotor decided not to open the Driver Services Building because the forecast was calling for an 80% chance of rain at 4:00 PM and the rain came at 4:30.  That is what puts those teams out of business, spending $$$ to travel only to get rained out.

Why not have a policy where the Driver Services building opens and closes at a specified time weekly unless the races are canceled prior to noon (has to be early enough to allow those teams he is trying to entice to make the drive to stay home if he cancels)?  Make it so that to collect tow money you have to be there between certain hours (on site) to sign in and collect.

If Saturday's race is rained out, the show moves to Sunday...that is correct.

However, we are keeping the 360 Sprint Cars in the Sunday show. Therefore, the new Sunday show will be 410 Sprint Cars, 360 Sprint Cars, IMCA RaceSaver Sprint Cars and Late Model Street Stocks. Should be a great show! They winners would receive $5,000 for 410, $2,500 for 360, $1,000 for IMCA and $1,000 for LMSS.

Regarding the "opening of a building"...basically that just means the track opens when the back pitgate opens in the afternoon. Just trying to be forthright and have a secure plan in place since we're paying out such large numbers this season, which now includes the TAP.

Just keep in mind that tow money is a good thing.  If it rains out I sure as hell wouldn't pay tow money.  Us hard core racers know the risk of racing against mother nature.  Sometimes ya win and sometimes she does.  it's been this way for many years.  Those of you trying to disect this deal and tell everyone what is right and what is wrong is amusing at best.  Take the tow money as a bonus and take what ya can get.  I know of many racers over many years that have towed to a track only to get rained out and never once expected "tow money."  Get over yourselves and move on to the next topic.  My God, you people would bitch about the color of balloons being released during an opening ceremony if given the opportunity.

+ 1  Well stated.  

I don't know how much more clear we can make it. 

If it rains at 4:30 and we lose the show to rain, then yea, that's a bummer. But that's also how it's been since the beginning of dirt track racing....right? Over the last several decades, teams have traveled great distances to race each weekend, and at 4:30 the race gets rains out. It happens. It's a bummer, but it happens.

Now that we've added the TAP, we need to have some level of protection as to when the track opens. What if it looks like it's going to be a 100% rainout with ridiculous amounts of rain throughout the day - an obvious rainout. And yet, someone drives 200 miles to the track just to pick up $300 in TAP money? That doesn't seem fair...correct? 

I hope you can see that there as to be some level of common sense here. We're doing everything we can to make Sprint Car racing in this part of the country better. Our intensions are only good ones.

Tom Savage, Assistant General Manager - BMS

Vande77, as usual you are an expert but as you say you don't own a car & don't have a dog in the fight...then stop your rediculous comments!! Do you think yur helping someone? YOUR NOT!!!

When I read these idiotic comments it reminds me of one of my favorite promoters Craig Cormack. Smart man, great business man, loved Sprint Cars. Decided he wanted to buy Eagle Raceway. Put a ton of $$ into the facility, promoted big races. Because of all the bitching & whining on the message boards he sold out & said "I don't need this". How is Eagle now Sprint Car lovers??

Seriously Blazer? Bitching about the $27? Do you know what that driver get's anywhere else? Or last year? ZERO!!!! What Brennan is paying for a purse is MORE than enough, the tow $$ is unbelievable icing on the cake.

What do ASCoC teams get if they drive to PA. & get rained out after they unload? ZERO!!!

What do WoO teams get if they drive to NY. & get rained out after they unload or even hot lap? ZERO!!!

What Brennan & Quiring are doing for Sprint Car racing not only in this area but eventually across the US is amazing!!

What CB & TQ are doing for the fan's is amazing!

My biggest fear isn't that I won't get my tow $$ or that my silver bars won't be worth as much as I thought. My biggest fear is that these wealthy, intelligent businessmen will keep reading this stupidity & say "Cormack was right, I don't need this".

BTW, this is Terry McCarl. I own more than one team & I promote sprint car events. Vande77 (Ron??) what do you do for the sport??

My perspective from down here in Eldora country favors the tow money plan.. The distance teams must travel out there is much greater than this area as well as PA.. Seems to me Badlands is offering incentive to the upper Midwest teams to make the trip and sustain a decent weekly car count..Knoxville will lose some 410s to Badlands but will be ok overall with different teams that show up every week to get in some laps before the Nationals..Lincoln and Port Royal coexist every Saturday night with each having 20-25 410s.. If tow money helps sustain the Badlands car count along with an attractive purse than it would appear they have a business model in place to average 25 cars give or take, which is what Knoxville will average with counts possibly closer to 30....Everyone is skeptical of the purse payout Badlands is offering and in my humble opinion they understand the cost to race and the need to increase the return for ALL teams.... Not meant to kiss T-Macs butt in any way but he has great ideas when promoting races and making them more fan friendly and family friendly...Richer, deeper purses and aggressive promoting will be key moving forward in this great sport!!

Do you wear a clown's nose all the time or only when you post on here? I hope you enjoy the facts that Mr. Savage delivered to you. We would appreciate it if you stopped caring about a track that you don't even visit.

BIG J

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."