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i saved 11dollars on fill,110 octane, clean your plugs and valves, do wheel stands,well almost. seems like same gas mileage to me. support the e85 sprinter in the NCRA. i have 06 impala. if you have a late model motor that is built for e85,get some about 4 blocks west of i-235 on n.e. 4th. 44 extra dollars for me a month. thats an extra race to go to. 100 % ethanol wont fire in real cold weather so they put 15% gas in it thus 85 ethanol and 15 gas 100%. you wont be sorry. smooth,no more gas pedal stomping.

The only reason ethanol fuels are cheaper is the government subsidies the industry receives.

Subsidies come from your taxes. Therefore, unless you don't pay taxes, you really didn't save $11.

I cannot and will not (whenever possible) buy fuel that is based on a food source.

i work on so many cars that are screwd up because of the ethanol. it's poision to street cars

It wreaks havoc on the lawn equipment like you wouldn't believe.

Let's be clear here,

This is not bashing "modified156". "modified156" has become someone I like due to his view of a certain someone whom has sold a lot of junk to unsuspecting, well meaning buyers.

And he's not shy about it like I am.

The idea is to promote the ethanol powered/sponsored sprinter and help the team out, with a credible voice we know here. So go easy please

ethanol isn't going away anytime soon, it has become a pet project to dangle a little false hope while gas prices soar.

It happened in the early 80's, until prices dropped, and then many ethanol plants shut down . Again in the early 90's when prices were going up to the unbeleivable high of $1.50 per gallon.

Due to it's relation to methanol, and helped (I thought) the American Farmer (FFA chapter Pres 2 years myself, and raised by farm/ranch lifestyle - yessss, cows and crops) , I was under the impression it would also promote short track racing since .................well, methanol and ethanol were closely related, and change could happen if the right industry came in and drop the big bucks. Didn't happen.

Now I find that it takes more energy to make a gallon of ethanol, subsidies are involved, which to me means kickbacks to politicians who have no interest in saving our beloved sport or really the elimination of large scale farm auctions.

Folks, they know better, and have known better for years. Yet they have made believers like me all along since I wanted to believe them in the first place.

All fuel sources have a downside, and all have a trail of corruption behind them.

Now I'm seriously looking at CNG, yet none of them seem to be interested to really push the issues to us.

My lesson so far has been a lot like other lucrative things I've noticed-

When there is money to be made, or saved tremendously -there is not always a need to tell the whole world. Chesapeake is converting 700 of their company trucks to CNG. It trades @ around $1.50 or less a gallon equivilant to gasoline and still is said to burn cleaner.

Chesapeake sells natural gas

Chesapeake sells oil

If we buy the gasoline made from the oil, and industry buys the oil, and residents buy the natural gas, and so on, CHESAPEAKE WILL BE BURNING CNG AT RADICALLY LOWER PRICES THAN GASOLINE AT THE PUMP!

Throw in the actual meager profit they get at any pump they sell to, then "green tax credits" for pushing CNG, AND THEN THE RESOURCE DEPLETION TAX ALLOWANCE--

..they simply make a killing, like their competitors.......Lower operation costs, better tax incentives for them, and higher prices at the pump for the people like us who will sit in their own troubles and not do a damn thing about it.

By the way

There is little profit actually at the pump. Competition, and taxes keep it that way, and it's been that way since taxes and competition got into the picture. Maybe not since day "1', but at least since day "2".

That shit carmelizes like nothing I have ever seen before.

I learned my lesson last spring.

Sta-Bil went in all my saws, mowers, generator,etc last fall.

Agreed. it's hardly much cleaner than gasoline and when people are starving all over the world....kinda bad to be putting what could/should be their food into your gas tank - nevermind the wreckage it seems to cause in many street cars.

and fully agreed about government subsidies. When wind power stalled - that was a worthwhile subsidy (argues could be made both ways) - but the farm related subsidies pertaining to bio fuels would be a great place to chop off a chunk of domestic spending - since thats all they care to touch as opposed to the money we use to build infrastructure in Afghanistan (a worthwile endevaor for every invader for the last few hundred years - yes sarcasm).

not a lightning rod political post here. for any that disagree - cool. Always murky water when it comes to these things. But I fully agree with bigdaddy that ethanol's clean energy identity and the savings that go along with it are largely an illusion...having said that - I think I remember reading that there was quite a difference between corn based ethanol and sugar based ethanol.....so not sure on that aspect. maybe sugar based is cleaner and more efficient.

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You might have brought in something to ponder-

Corn based versus sugar based ethanol. I'd like to know more about that. Maybe that's where the difference is.