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Just curious of opinions. With car counts, fan interest, and the best racing in mind, wich type of sprints do you think would best for non-wing racing in this area? 2 barrels, super sprints, or ascs type sprints?

I think anything weekly and ASCS would be great around here. The sprint drivers need another choice for weekly racing, and in order to draw cars away from the Super and Champ divisions on would need to use a motor that can be ran all over the country. Also, it bothers me that since we don't run ASCS type motors in OKC, people around the country don't respect the drivers. Just because we have flat top pistons and can't run any other tracks means that we suck? That just luduacris!

Personally i would love for lanny to take the wings off the two-barrels and let us run. I've actually talked to lanny about running the super sprints non-wing on the saturday night they run at the lawton for the winter nationals! its the end of the year not a points race, a special show and its something different for the fans to enjoy but of course that didnt go very far!

My personal preference would be 410's and 360's injected on alcohol with 5X5 wings. But from a cost stand point, they probably would not produce full fields.

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Sprint series of Texas (305's ) have 4 races scheduled without a wing with one of those races being in Ardmore

Off the top of my head other than Shane I can think of at least 3 2 barrell regulars at SFS that would run without wings. When Brill had the rain come in right after the heats and he got the features in I think back in late July. I was joking with some of the 2 barrell guys lets run without the wings and they were all in favor of it.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

You people are KILLING me! Give a brother a break with all the non-wing crap.

David I am sure Brandon will hire you to make burritos.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

2nd that!!!

i just dont think now is a good time AT ALL to be trying to start a new class. i think taking wings off supers at lawton is a bad idea for everyone - they can barely get 12-13 when they run down there anyway - that would make it about 6. if for some reason it went the other way and drew all that had a injected motor in the state - well then i am all for it. CCC comin' alive!

i like non wing racing over winged - but - i just dont see anyone trying to do it - the car counts would be insufferably low. something like this should have been started at min. 5 years ago - so that it would have something of a base in the area.

we cant try it with ASCS. I'm not sure what to expect from the ASCS Sooner Region shows this year. i fear they could end up quite weak some of them. the Texas group really always added to those shows - i know the schedules dont conflict - but there is a reason why they started this "Lone Star" region - ie they can have their own series and not be bound to drive to OK for points races half a dozen times throughout the year. i dont either region really drawing much from the other. what i am saying is there just arent a lot of ASCS cars in the state - or better yet - in the OKC area to sustain a weekly class. Tulsa is the quasi-home of ASCS and when they tried running a weekly class it didnt work. i think something like an ascs or non wing class would have to start right along what we already have. the supers and champs have respectable counts - the other stuff i dont think would. so it would take time to build a car count (if its even possible in this economy).

and i think much of what local ascs will be this year will be SFS motors - just with the big wing. well how is this good for fans. our local sprints with the smaller wings and more fun to watch than ascs. i figure thats at least one of the reasons (wing). I;m more interested in what the ASCS Sooner Region is going to produce this year as opposed to believing it already strong enough to sustain a weekly show. I'm just wandering how many we will get at our SFS Sooner Region shows.

i think they should cut creek county out and then make it all 1 region again - call it the Red River Region. with SFS being the northernmost track - and Cowtown being the Southernmost. and everything else is inbetween (and a lil to the west w/Lawton and Abilene).

kudos to lanny for scheduling the sooner vs. lone start shootout ont he may 9th weekend - instead of the national tour. i think we'll get more cars hence more bang for the buck with that show than with the national tour - although spring nationals should be really really good (always is).

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Fan I respect you opinion and agree with your point about starting another stand alone class right now. However, if you have watched the desire of the fans on this board and the fans when the non-wing cars have shown up there is a want for a class of non wing cars.

The ASCS cars are doing quite well with the wings on them so why change them? I could be wrong but I think the orginal poster was talking more about the local cars around the state area instead of the ASCS. It tells you somthing when a known racer admits asking Lanny to run without wings for a winter nats race. Before Lanny took over at the fairgrounds they ran a winter nats for the super sprints without wings. They had a B feature for this race and even had a few driver pull up from Texas to run the race. I could be wrong but I think one of the racers was Johnny Murdock.

If done right I think it would be a good thing. There is a interest from both drivers and fans. I know of one 2 barrell driver that would love to have a 410 non-wing class in Oklahoma. If there was a non-wing class I know of one former super sprint rookie of the year at the fairgrounds that would have went to race in that class instead of the super sprint class b/c of the knowledge he picked up from micros.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

catpuppy, ASCS run's non wing Spinters at Mazanita now, it's not like it can't be done and done right..Check it out.

ASCS Non-Wing Western World Championships on Tap at Manzanita



Lonnie Wheatley, TULSA, Okla. (November 3, 2008) – All eyes shift to Phoenix, AZ, this weekend for the annual running of the Parker Store ASCS Non-Wing Western World Championships atop Manzanita Speedway's 1/3-mile clay oval.



With NASCAR's traveling circus in town and the USAC/CRA forces on Manzanita's half-mile for a pair of nights, the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region contenders take on a slew of invaders from throughout the nation for three full nights of action on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.



Full cards of heat races, "B" Mains and "A" Mains will be contested on both Thursday and Friday, with combined points from both preliminary nights of action setting Saturday night's championship slate of feature lineups.



Main events on Thursday and Friday both offer up $1,500 to win, with Saturday's Parker Store ASCS Non-Wing Western World Champion collecting $3,000, making for a possible take of $6,000 with a sweep of all three nights of competition.



The three-night stand also marks the season finale for the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region, as Surprise, Arizona's Jeremy Sherman tries to put the finishing touches on a second consecutive ASCS championship.



Racking up 14 wins in ASCS Canyon Region action this year, including seven wins in 14 tries on Manzanita's 1/3-mile, "The Shermanator" is just two wins shy of the century mark in Manzy action with 98 feature wins atop the fabled Manzanita clay. Another strong weekend could push the winner of 116 career features overall into triple-digit territory at Manzanita alone.



With a second consecutive ASCS title in reach, Sherman enters the weekend 154 markers ahead of Buckeye's Charles Davis, Jr., with Yuma's Mike Martin another 120 markers back in third.



The battle for third in points is a close one, with Martin just 16 points ahead of Phoenix shoe R.J. Johnson and 26 points ahead of Goodyear's Nathan High.



The balance of the current top ten in ASCS Canyon Region points includes Andrew Reinbold (Chandler), Mike Leslie (Litchfield Park), Josh Pelkey (Peoria), Jeremy Reagles (Mesa) and rookie shoe Steve Tellas (Chandler).



While Sherman has topped seven of 14 ASCS Canyon Region events atop Manzanita Speedway's 1/3-mile clay oval this season, Charles Davis, Jr., has scored three wins, Casey Shuman has posted a pair triumphs and R.J. Johnson and Bob Ream, Jr., have each collected one win.



California's Cory Kruseman reigns as defending champion of the Parker Store ASCS Non-Wing Western World Championship after besting a stellar field of over 50 competitors in the 2007 rendition of the event, joined on the podium by preliminary feature winner Charles Davis, Jr., and Missouri's Jesse Hockett.



Following a Wednesday night practice session from 6:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m., racing action ensues on the following nights with a 7:30 p.m. start on Thursday and then the first race of the night going green at approximately 7:00 p.m. on both Friday and Saturday.



Manzanita Speedway is located in Phoenix, AZ, off I-10 Exit 141, then four miles south on 35th Avenue to West Broadway. For more information, contact the track at 602-276-7575.



The Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region brings the best in non-wing Sprint Car racing to Arizona with a full slate of 27 nights of racing in 2008. In addition to events atop both the ½-mile and 1/3-mile ovals at Manzanita Speedway in Phoenix, the series has also been in action at Tucson's USA Race Park and Casa Grande's Central Arizona Raceway over the course of the season.



The nation's most prominent Sprint Car sanctioning body with a dozen different Regions throughout the United States in addition to the O'Reilly American Sprint Cars on Tour National series, the American Sprint Car Series' (ASCS) 17th year of activity will include approximately 250 nights of racing at more than 100 different race tracks throughout 28 different states and Canada.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Hey bigfish I did not say it cant be done all I said was that they were doing a good job with the wings. I admit I forgot about the guys out in Arizona and that is my fault. It was fan that thought that we should not do any type of non-wing cars.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Just a little fyi for everyone Mr. race anything you let me race Paul White is the 2001 USAC Sliver Crown Champ. I might be mistaken but those are non-wing cars aren't they? lol

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Didn't the OCRS have some shows when they ran with wings and without wings on the same card? They could run at SFS one week with wings the next without. The ASCS guys make multiple trips to the same tracks, so on the first of second trip, make it a wing or non-wing event.

I like both wing and non-wing racing. When I moved here back in the late 60's, it took awhile to get used to seeing super modifieds without wings, but over the years they started to run wings. I never thought I'd see it here......but now its gone full circle and now I look forward to both the winged and non-winged shows.

I like Fans idea of the Red River Region, but I like Creek, so lets keep them in.

I know, I just wanted to set the record straight that ASCS does have a non wing group. We also have the ASCA and the Challenge Cup, all non wing. New Mexico has a non wing group as well, the NMMRA.

Don't you think it's time to try? It's not like they are more expensive, to the contrary, there cheaper to run. Look again at those old pictures at the Fairgrounds. Maybe the ones where those darn Texans, Larson and Ruby came over to try and take the money. LOL Take the wings off and get back to some good old wheel to wheel racing again.

See ya at the Copper.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Right on !!  lets go topless.

  To start out maybe an open 360 rule for car count in the beggining, include champs w/4 brl. ? , and in  the future ASCS & OKC spec. as they race pretty close on the area tracks , & without wings a combined rule would fine.

 ASCS would be the best engine rule in the long run.    jmo

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                    Boomer Sooner

Maybe about the ASCS, but all of the other three groups that I mentioned in my post above have run together in one way or another with a ASCS car thrown in once in awhile. Broader rules allows more cars to compete and with the right tire rule and a few other minor things they can put on a good show and most of the cars are competitive. Personally I don't like corporations, and that includes ASCS..LOL

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

I remember the ORA meeting when we voted on to do away with the 100" cars and go to a winged 86" 2 barrel class. Some was for as well as against the idea. Money was a big issue back then as well. More money would be spent if you wrecked and broke a wing, or wings. On top of that we all needed to find a 86" chassis. It always comes down to money.

I personally would love to see the winged 360's back on the half mile, and run a non-winged 2 barrel class on the 3/8 mile. Just like back in the day. That was one of the unique things about State Fair Speedway. Two tracks at the same place, on the same night. But again it all comes back to money.