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April 20, 2008 at
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How costly right now is it to race with the World of Outlaws?? It just seems they keep getting rained out race after race. It seems like more and more racers who committed to racing with the Outlaws are finding other places to race. I seen where Danny Lasoski and Jason Sides went and raced with the ASCS race at Wheatland, Mo. and both did very well....2nd and 4th respectively! I think you are going to find more and more drivers racing more closer to home. Just look at Randy Hannagan and Justin Henderson..they have both called it quits with the WoO. Ive heard through the grapvine more drivers are going to follow suit...maybe Lasoski and Sides are 2 who might withdrawl from racing with the Outlaws fulltime. I cant say I blame them...they arent racing every weekend and being out on the road is more costly than ever before right now. I would love to see guys like Sides and Hafertepe and Bruce go back racing 360's with the ASCS!
Proudly supports:
Logan Seavey, Brent Marks and "Big Sexy" Brandon Overton
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April 20, 2008 at
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Those stats mean nothing! If the races would have been held on neutral ground, ma nature wouldn't have stood a chance!
P.S. 360's suck!
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April 20, 2008 at
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Hey Mike how's Louisiana going for ya?
The guys will race where they have to when they have to. About every WoO traveling team ran somewhere during the month long spell except the TSR cars, Steve Kinser and the R19. Prolly a big reason why Dollansky and Meyers are doing so good is because they decided to keep racing. Meyers has enough resources that he could get back to Cali. and race on a short notice. I think Shane Stewart made a quick trip to Cali. to a race last weekend when Eldora was cancelled. TK and the McMillen team trying to get the most out their trek to the mid-west, were at Bloomington running wingless on Fri. night this weekend only to get rained out.
But alas things are not getting any cheaper and I wouldn't be surprised to see some guys drop of the tour and do other things. 29 cars at Pevely was the smallest WoO car count I've seen there.
Hey Smitty if you think 360's suck then you don't need to attend the STN's. You'll prolly leave disgusted.
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April 20, 2008 at
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360s don't suck!
We have a good 360 series in CA called the Civil War series and of course the 360 Nationals at Chico, and the Trophy cup at Tulare! Never been to the STNs!
Looking forward to the new Golden State King of the
West series schedule!
Winged sprintcars = the fastest and most exciting
racecars on dirt!
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April 21, 2008 at
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Yeah, 360s suck alright. Maybe you should be confined to watching street stocks, modifieds , and late models for a few weeks. Not saying that those classes don't put on a good show around here, but at least you get to watch some winged sprint cars where you live. My opinion? Quitcherbitchin!
Fenders are like vacuums... they both suck.
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April 21, 2008 at
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smitty is not alone in that opinion...McCarl and Pittman have both gone on the record in the press with similar 360 comments...and of course Rahmer!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
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April 21, 2008 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on April 21 2008 at 07:35:34 AM
smitty is not alone in that opinion...McCarl and Pittman have both gone on the record in the press with similar 360 comments...and of course Rahmer!
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and yet 360's are doing a SHITLOAD better than 410's. and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. the only folks who bash on 360's are those in that EVER SHRINKING circle of 410's.
It's also ironic that Pittman and McCarl state 360's suck. but yet at the ASCS Spring Nationals here in Oklahoma City ----- who was it I saw? did you even peek out of your enclave to see? yes none other than Terry McCarl and Daryn Pittman. On a national scale - the 360's are thumping the 410's.
and Why in the hell are you referencing to McCarl and Pittman - aren't they part of that traveling circus you so despise? you bash those WoO drivers constantly - and discredit them constantly - but yet.............here you are..............referencing them as speaking the truth. comes as no suprise from someone who flips flops daily for the pure sake of argument. whats next - claiming them as Posse the week after the next PA swing? Since you don't give a rats ass about racing outside your backyard ---- why are you even commenting on the matter?
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
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April 21, 2008 at
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This message was edited on
April 21, 2008 at
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on April 21 2008 at 10:14:36 AM
and yet 360's are doing a SHITLOAD better than 410's. and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. the only folks who bash on 360's are those in that EVER SHRINKING circle of 410's.
It's also ironic that Pittman and McCarl state 360's suck. but yet at the ASCS Spring Nationals here in Oklahoma City ----- who was it I saw? did you even peek out of your enclave to see? yes none other than Terry McCarl and Daryn Pittman. On a national scale - the 360's are thumping the 410's.
and Why in the hell are you referencing to McCarl and Pittman - aren't they part of that traveling circus you so despise? you bash those WoO drivers constantly - and discredit them constantly - but yet.............here you are..............referencing them as speaking the truth. comes as no suprise from someone who flips flops daily for the pure sake of argument. whats next - claiming them as Posse the week after the next PA swing? Since you don't give a rats ass about racing outside your backyard ---- why are you even commenting on the matter?
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You are basing the line about 360s thumping 410s solely on car count, right? Because you cannot be basing it on prestige or money. Are the 360 Nationals at Knoxville still $10,000 to win (I am not asking to be sarcastic. I am really not sure,)? The 410 Nationals are 15 times that much. I know you don't agree with Smitty or BRR because of the way they phrased their opinion, but 360s (or 358s) really are viewed as an lesser class nearly any place there is a 410 division or occasional 410 visits.
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April 21, 2008 at
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on April 21 2008 at 10:14:36 AM
and yet 360's are doing a SHITLOAD better than 410's. and I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. the only folks who bash on 360's are those in that EVER SHRINKING circle of 410's.
It's also ironic that Pittman and McCarl state 360's suck. but yet at the ASCS Spring Nationals here in Oklahoma City ----- who was it I saw? did you even peek out of your enclave to see? yes none other than Terry McCarl and Daryn Pittman. On a national scale - the 360's are thumping the 410's.
and Why in the hell are you referencing to McCarl and Pittman - aren't they part of that traveling circus you so despise? you bash those WoO drivers constantly - and discredit them constantly - but yet.............here you are..............referencing them as speaking the truth. comes as no suprise from someone who flips flops daily for the pure sake of argument. whats next - claiming them as Posse the week after the next PA swing? Since you don't give a rats ass about racing outside your backyard ---- why are you even commenting on the matter?
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hey dumbass...why do you think i mentioned McCarl and Pittman?
hint: because both of them issued negative statements in the press about 360s, WHICH I READ and REMEMBERED!
some days i wonder how i could possibly attract a dumber troll to follow me around on this message board...but it is an election year...and dumbasses are in season, i mean full bloom.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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April 22, 2008 at
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Posted By: singlefile on April 21 2008 at 12:25:20 PM
You are basing the line about 360s thumping 410s solely on car count, right? Because you cannot be basing it on prestige or money. Are the 360 Nationals at Knoxville still $10,000 to win (I am not asking to be sarcastic. I am really not sure,)? The 410 Nationals are 15 times that much. I know you don't agree with Smitty or BRR because of the way they phrased their opinion, but 360s (or 358s) really are viewed as an lesser class nearly any place there is a 410 division or occasional 410 visits.
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I won't argue that man. I understand where it is looked at as a lesser division. the 410's have the tradition and probably more talent as well. but at the same time - there's much more 360 racing goin on throughout the country than 410. and thats what I am referring to. the differences between both classes aren't that big. I think the racing is just as good between both. and yes it's sad that the 360 Nationals only pay 10k to win ----- but its also sad that the 360 nat. have almost no real crowd support. and yet the racing is just as good as the 410's and from many accounts the last 2 years - was better.
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
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April 22, 2008 at
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I won't argue that man. I understand where it is looked at as a lesser division. the 410's have the tradition and probably more talent as well. but at the same time - there's much more 360 racing goin on throughout the country than 410. and thats what I am referring to. the differences between both classes aren't that big. I think the racing is just as good between both. and yes it's sad that the 360 Nationals only pay 10k to win ----- but its also sad that the 360 nat. have almost no real crowd support. and yet the racing is just as good as the 410's and from many accounts the last 2 years - was better.
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I don't know much about 360's, since we usually only run 358s in PA, but am I right in assuming that 360's run high compression and the same top wings as 410's? If that is the case (again, I'm asking, I don't know), then the PA 358s make so much better sense as a legitimate class for racing on a budget. Low compression allows PA teams to run an entire season on one rebuild (I've heard of none), which drastically lowers price. The 358s here also use a top wing with a center section that is 35% smaller than the 410's, which obviously helps un-hook the cars and, I'd imagine, makes them harder to drive. If I remember correctly, McCarl's complaint was that they were hooked up too much and were too easy for anyone to drive. Our 358 rules seem like they'd be a step in the right direction in bringing the driver back in, without buying $50-$60K engines and without having to rebuild them every 8-10 races. Anyone is welcome to tell me how wrong I am with my information, at the very least I'll learn something today.
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April 22, 2008 at
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This message was edited on
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i think you are correct and the fact that high dollar 360s are approaching the 410 cost quicker than the purses are converging makes 360s more of a losing proposition.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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April 22, 2008 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on April 22 2008 at 01:06:27 PM
i think you are correct and the fact that high dollar 360s are approaching the 410 cost quicker than the purses are converging makes 360s more of a losing proposition.
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"Losing proposition" is only related to the owners (and some drivers). I say some drivers because I know of one that made a lot more money at the end of the year chasing races, including a lot of 360's than they have running 410's exclusively.
They are cheaper for the promoter, cheaper for the fans in ticket prices. They lose by not seeing 410's but in areas where those have become extinct, 360's are better than nothing.
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April 22, 2008 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on April 22 2008 at 01:06:27 PM
i think you are correct and the fact that high dollar 360s are approaching the 410 cost quicker than the purses are converging makes 360s more of a losing proposition.
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With 360/410 cost comparison you have to look at how much does it cost to be competitive. There are plenty of 10-15k ASCS motors that are winning races with no rebuilds during the year but the same can not be said for 410's as you have to spend quite a bit more to be competitive and the rebuild every 10-15 shows or even less.
At the end of the day why not support sprint car racing not worry about what is under the hood!
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April 22, 2008 at
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i am at the track almost every week and there are 410s and 358s on the same bill most of the time!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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April 22, 2008 at
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Posted By: BigRightRear on April 21 2008 at 01:46:14 PM
hey dumbass...why do you think i mentioned McCarl and Pittman?
hint: because both of them issued negative statements in the press about 360s, WHICH I READ and REMEMBERED!
some days i wonder how i could possibly attract a dumber troll to follow me around on this message board...but it is an election year...and dumbasses are in season, i mean full bloom.
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do you really think I'm goin to shy away from commenting on a thread about 360's to 410's? You must have fired up that pipe without me.
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
wouldchuck could chuck would
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April 23, 2008 at
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so, im gonna make a prediction about friday night at husets.. its gonna be WoO-5, Mother Nature-7. i just looked on the weather and there is a 70 percent chance of rain and snow mix. :(
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April 23, 2008 at
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Mother nature is gonna add another raindate Friday at Husets unless things change fast. 70% chance of rain Friday, high of 46, low Friday night of 31.
Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if
elected again he wouldn't have to worry about an
electorate in 2016 so the sky is the limit.And his EPA
would continue to put the screws to oil drilling and
mining for coal.Can you say bankruptcy.
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April 23, 2008 at
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where is dirtracer84?...these percentages are setting all time records!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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