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Click here, link to Jerry Reigle article.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Deery stressed the meeting is open only to WoO teams and drivers. A letter from area sprint car drivers and owners was received in the WRG headquarters in Concord, N.C., this week.

What a joke!

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Smitty...what do you mean?

in other words, who wants to be sitting at the front table when Kinser and Rahmer break out into simultaneous laughter, or worse?

last time i checked, DIRT was in charges of only a few tracks, very few who actually race 410s throughout the year.

where would the WoO be racing without the participation of 410 tracks with these new rule schemes?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

It is unfortunate that Dirt must limit this meeting to WoO drivers & teams ONLY, when tracks across the country seem to adopt their rules for our local racing...although that may be changing soon!

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Is one to assume that all of the Posse's meetings invite say the Northern California teams, Knoxville teams and All Stars as well?

I doubt if the DIRT meeting is all that top secret, but do they need to have a speedway grandstand for their seating area?

DIRT is a business, I would figure they don't need the expert input from people outside their group.

(daffynition of expert, an amateur 50 miles away from home)

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from the sounds of things and a quick look at the "business" side of things

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?d=t&s=DMSP.OB

they are not concerned with expert input from any side of their "group".

but you touch on an interesting subject - this weekend, we are likely to see many amateurs watching the race as spectators when they were entered to drive...and are far more than 50 miles from home.

click your heel 3 times and say "there's no place like home" dorothy.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Well it is down to the weekend.

When the Green flag drops, the BS stops.

Let the excuses start.

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World of Outlaws Adopts Hoosier’s New Right Rear Tire

Saturday, Dec 16, 2006

Orlando, FL — The result of thorough testing and industry support has led Hoosier Racing Tire to announce during the Performance Racing Industry trade show a new national sprint car right rear tire program featuring three compounds and stiffer construction that the World of Outlaws will adopt.

The new tires, which will retain the same tread pattern and tire dimensions as the current open competition right rear tire, still allow a compound choice that gives racers the grip necessary to move up and down a racetrack.

A result of the national sprint car tire program, a key topic during the Unified Sprint Car Summit in July, will cut cost and create even more side-by-side racing. Thanks to Hoosier’s efforts, teams’ cost will be reduced about $25 per tire, with the three compounds offering a reduction in season-long tire expenses. The World of Outlaws, which will adopt the plan in the spring, will continue with its current policy of allowing only one right rear tire to be used through qualifying events.

"With the support of other series and tracks across the country, the World of Outlaws are confident that this is a very positive step forward for sprint car racing and we are pleased to be a part of the national sprint car right rear program," said World of Outlaws series director Carlton Reimers. "The benefits will be measured in reduced costs to the teams and better racing for the fans."

Hoosier’s national right rear tire program was developed with input from all of the major stakeholders in the sport, and those figures fully supporting the results of comprehensive testing. With support from the World of Outlaws, several test sessions mandated by promoters revealed that 18-inch tires with a stiff sidewall kept sprint cars loose on entry into the corners while drivable in the center of the corner through the exit. That should translate into more passing on entry into a turn and a race for position into the next corner. Initial testing included a 16-inch-wide right rear tire, but all of the data and feedback convinced series officials the 18-inch-wide tire was the best solution. The other three tires on the car will remain open in 2007.

"The test sessions with Hoosier proved to be quite valuable and we are excited to have been a part of the development of the national sprint car right rear tire program," said DIRT MotorSports Executive VP of Operations Ben Geisler. "We have invested a great deal of time and energy testing and evaluating both wings and tires this season and believe that the tire is the best place to start as their construction is perhaps the part of sprint car racing that has changed the most in the past 10 years."

"I’m happy to see Hoosier and the World of Outlaws working hard to keep the World of Outlaws the most competitive sprint car series in the world," said 2006 World of Outlaws champion Donny Schatz. "At the same time, it should help to keep costs down for all the teams that have to go up and down the road all season."

"Limiting the choices on tires is a positive step for the sport because it will make it more competitive from top to bottom whether you’re on tour or you run weekly," said 2001 World of Outlaws champion Danny Lasoski. "It’ll put the focus back on the cars and drivers."

http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/sprint/News/2006/December/121606_HoosierRightRearTire.aspx

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

It's going to be increasingly difficult for guys like Doug Esh who are fighting this deal who are also on the verge of losing their rides year after year do to financial concerns to have it both ways. Even Rahmer and Dewease, two of our most seasoned veterans have also had their difficulties keeping rides over the last few years. It's only going to get harder and harder to compete with multi-million dollar, multi-car team, Detroit factory sponsorship coming to the Outlaw ranks. They're fighting a losing battle, some savvy rules are the only out I can see. The biggest thing we have going for us is we race on half mile dirt tracks...might as well try to use it to our advantage with tire and wing rules.

"Quotable Quotes"

Doug Auld

If the saying "It's always been expensive to race" is true, how come so many of the legends of our sport were from poor families... and many fielded their own cars?

If taking away some wing and some tire to loosen up winged sprints would put the skill of the driver to the forefront. How could any real racer be opposed to that?


Gary Beam

"In 1984, I bought two Gaerte Engines for $25,000," said Beam. "I can't buy (an engine) today for under $38,500. Then we're looking at a $3,500 freshen-up job every 10 shows. Some things have remained in the same range price-wise, but the engines have escalated and the purses haven't risen to offset the cost."


Butch Beasley

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I think that there will only be rich people with sprint cars and car counts will be down. Tracks will have to pay more on the lower end to keep people racing."


Jeff Creasy

"This is the last driver (Heimbach) I'll have," Creasy says. "Wherever he goes I'll go. As a sponsor or team manager or whatever. But we don't know what to do. I've been to this point two other times and now I have to make that decision again…The last two weeks he got his feet wet racin' with Rahmer and guys that he looked up to, which is more fun for a kid. But it's a costly endeaver to attempt to do that."

So, will Creasy and Heimbach continue to dominate the 358s or start over with the big boys?

"I don't know," Creasy says. "I just don't know."


Lance Dewease

"Al is a businessman and if he can save money, he is all for it. What businessman isn't?"

"You could buy an engine for $16,000 to $19,000 in the mid-1980s," Dewease said. "Now the engines average $40,000."

"When I started racing in 1985, car counts averaged in the mid 30s and there always seemed to be fans in the stands," Dewease said. "We do have a 358 division now, and that probably has something to do with it. I think more than anything, it is to expensive and purses haven't gone up that much since then."

Dewease thinks the problem (not being able to pass) is easily solved. "The late models went through this years ago," Dewease said. "They had a big right rear and had all these wedges to put in the car, and it was too easy to go fast. We have the same problem. They went to a narrow tire and unhooked the cars and now, they have to race."

"That's what we need to do. The tires have gotten so good, that we need to go to a smaller tire."


Walter Dyer

" The promotors in our area need to stand up and save local racing."

Doug Esh

" An interesting conversation with Doug Esh taught me this: these cancellations shouldn't be frowned upon by the fans. It's saving the teams money, possibly $2,000 per cancellation. This means teams can run longer into the year." - Jerry Reigle


Mike Erdly

"I won't be here 10 years from now talking to you about this," Erdley said, who is employed as a service technician. "There's no way I can afford to do it."


Emmett Hahn

"This is for the working man to be able to come and race. This is for the guy that works a 40-hour week to be able to come and race and think he has a chance to win the feature," Hahn said. "Those engines with -12 heads are the ones we want to see in our races. They've been sitting in garages for two or three years and not being raced. We want the guys with those engines to come race with us..."


Greg Hodnett

"Honestly, if I had to own my car, there is no way I could put my family through the financial hardships it takes to field a race car"

Then Hodnett dropped the line that should be a motivator for all involved.

"No one has the answer to fix it," he said. "But I do know that not doing anything isn't enough."


Chad Kenemah

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Hopefully down a little on cost so all racers can enjoy what they are doing and not be out of money so fast."


Terry McCarl

FlatOut: Is local 410 racing in as bad a shape as it seems, with tracks dropping them and car counts falling?
McCarl: I think it is in really bad shape. I live around Knoxville so it is hard to see. The local tracks need to quit worrying about running with the Outlaws. Stop it…

FlatOut: What about the 360s? You raced them quite a bit last year. I know you don't think that is the answer.

McCarl: 360s are not the answer. I hate them. I don't care what anyone says, it takes the driver out of it…


Andy McKisson

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I see a flaw in the local system where as the costs of owning and racing a Sprint Car are rising every year, but the purses are staying the same and sponsorship is getting harder to come by. So to sum it up, I see in five years the blue collar teams that race with limited budgets no longer being existent."


Dave Middleswarth

"I'm all for anything that cuts my expenses. Even if it was putting toy motors in the cars."


Bob Miller

"We need to get the promoters together and then meet with the drivers and owners."

"The costs in the sport are too high, and something needs to happen. We need to get all the cards on the table and work on the future."


Brian Montieth

"I quit there for a year or two...I just couldn't afford it."


Kevin Schaeffer

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I hope they can get the cost under control. Western Pa. pays the least and the parts cost the same everywhere."

Todd Shaffer

…"I think technology in the motors and the tires has made it more difficult to move around," said Shaffer. "It seems like a driver needs to make a huge mistake in order for you to pass them."

"I don't know what the answer is to make it better."


Jack Sodeman Jr

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"I see sprint racing getting bigger and just too expensive for a working man to keep up with."


Daryl Stimeling

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Some type of limited racing like 358 Sprints."


Brian Woodhall

"Where do you see Sprint Car racing in 5 years from now?"

"Way too Expensive!!!"

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

I really don't think it's up to Tom Deery and DIRT Motorsports/World Racing Group/World of Outlaws to meet with local drivers. The organization has a meeting scheduled for drivers under contract to the series on Saturday. I would think that the local drivers would be better served by going to their local track and trying to arrange a meeting. We must remember that the National Tire Deal is not just a WoO thing. It was agreed upon and instituted by virtually all the tracks and series around the country. This includes Williams Grove Speedway. Same thing with whatever other rules are put forth from the Unified Sprint Car Summit. The World of Outlaws does not set rules for the rest of the country, but rather, it controls rules just for its own series.

If there needs to be a meeting, the drivers should arrange a meeting with Justin Loh and, if the issues are deemed to have merit to go further, then Justin Loh, as the representitive of the track, can take it up with the WoO people. Williams Grove contracts with the WoO for races, not the drivers.

if a tree fell in PA would it make a sound......?

it might if you could hear it over all the whining.

Guys take the wing off altogether and win some of the biggest wingless shows in sprint car history with the same damn cars they run every week with the wing on... So don't tell us changing the wing a little is going to change the whole car. The guys who keep changing their cars around all the time will anyway. Also a lot of teams have several different wings as it is... that's half the problem. Same thing for the tire rule, it doesn't make one bit a difference. The same few people who are bitching now at the Grove, bitched and bitched all year at Lincoln Speedway that the tire was hurting them, so Lincoln ran their Anniversary show with an open tire rule to appease them and you know what happened? The one guy that chose to just stick with the SC spec tire, Stevie Smith, beat everyone who cried wolf and ran open RD tires...lol. The SC tire doesn't make a lick of difference, just ask Donny Schatz, he swears up and down it even sticks the cars harder. If Rahmer would have won 15 some shows this year like Schatz we wouldn't even be talking about it.

click here, link to Stevie Smith Lincoln Anniversary victory lane interview.

"It's a sore spot with me, the whole tire deal, because I really feel it's the same for everybody, and if guys would concentrate on racing rather than whining, they would win more races." - Kevin Nouse

http://www.dirtvision.com/Archive/2007/August/Full_throttle_8_28_07.aspx

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

John - you know you're underestimating DIRT/WRG/WoO's sphere of influence...is Justin going to tell WoO to pound sand if proposed changes don't favor his local few (by local few I really mean the ALMIGHTY PA POSSE)?

He may be more solvent than most, and may even be able to live without their stops however, many promoters/owners are not, nor are they willing to suffer the reprisals years down the road.

How many rules changes, actual or proposed, have been initiated within the WoO?

Let's just enforce the rules we have, in an equitable fashion, and let the racers race!

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi