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sschrater
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In the film (1962 Nationals Dwane Wolfe col.) first is shown #17 and following that car is Lee Salmans #10. It is the same car shown in these photos. I've heard it many times that Lee never had the same color scheme for long. Always changing. I believe Lee is still living near Provo, Utah and his brother recently restored Lee's #10 sedan which he raced in 59. High point car in 1959 Merrick promotions if I remember correctly. I am enjoying these films. Steven Schrater



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Posted By: winfield on November 01 2010 at 08:54:03 PM

The film titled "1961 Hutchinson Nationals Part 1 - Dwane Wolfe col." starts out with the time trials ran on Saturday when the cars had their regular numbers. #29 Frank Lies and #7 Nut Cokeley, both of whose cars were owned by Cliff Durr, a car that I can't read the number on and then car #28 driven by J. D. Cox, another car I can't make out and #17 Gene Coffman, #15 Bill Nelson, a car I can't make out and then #35 George Witzke, #10 Lee Salman and #65 Reuben Loepp. The first car on the track is #27 Jerry Collins then #28 J. D. Cox, then #78 Jerry Everhart. The next car (white) lined up on the infield is #24 Gene Potts. Then is #51 Dick Hendershot, au unidentified #26, #7 driven by Roy Bryant, the black #62 driven by Bill Curless, #70 Verne Morton, #73 Paul Befort, #31 Jack Walker, #2 I think is Dick Ungar.

From here on, this film was taken on Sunday. #79 Verne Morton, #81 Don Graves, #9 Ralph Cole, #31 Jerry Collins, #21 Francis Kingan, 5 Charlie Lutkie,

The film titled "1961 Hutchinson Nationals Part 2 - Dwane Wolfe col." was taken at those nationals but the film is so fuzzy that I identify anyone for certain. There is what I think is a car #62 racing by in the north turn and, if that is the correct number, then the driver would have been Melvin Herrell.

The film titled "1962 Nationals Dwane Wolfe col." was indeed, taken at the 1962 Nationals. The cars appear with their regular numbers in time trials but have the flypaper numbers on them by Sunday. The cars that are easily recognizable in this film are: #17 Ted Maupin in a car owned by Roy Pulver, #36 Henry Ellington, #15 Bill Nelson in a car owned by Bob Garner, #11 Grady Wade in the Nance car, #24 Charlie Lutkie, #50 Melvin Harrell, #21 Tommy Bell, #17 Doran Raine, Jr., #15 Gene Angel, (that is Bob Garner leaning in to talk to Bill Nelson in the black car lined up next to Gene Angel's #15 in the fourth heat race), Nelson is then shown after winning the trophy dash in the #14, the white car making the victory lap with the checkered flag is #57 Bill Smith having won the Semi-Nationals. Charlie Lutkie is shown starting on the pole of the 50-lap feature and, of course, winning it. That is car owner Al Davis in the dark shirt standing with Charlie at the end.

The film "Hutch Nationals 1962? Part 2 - Dwane Wolfe" were actually taken at the 1963 Nationals. Easily recognizable are #92 Jerry Kerstine, #29 Charlie Lutkie, #5 Harold Armstrong, #66 Dick Walker, #19 Ody Fellows, #24 Bob Peck, #1 Dale Reed (this is the same Hudson that Lutkie won the Nationals in the year previous), #11 Grady Wade, #54 Dave Ross, #70 Duane Cauley, #12 Wylan Cattrell, #32 Francis Kingan, and, of course, Forrest Coleman who won the race.

The "60's Nationals Part 5 -Dwane Wolfe" was also taken at the 1963 Nationals. Recognizable are #69 Jack Petty in George Hibbs' car, #9 Bob Roberts, #18 Shot Hampton (having hit the fence in the north end), #16 Gene Potts, #66 Dick Walker receiving trophy for winning Semi-Nationals, #54 Dave Ross #11 making up the front row of the 50-lapper, #29 Charlie Lutkie, and #53 Frank Lies.

Recognizable in the 1964 Jalopy Nationals Part 1 film are #93 Doug Hagan, #121 Bob Moberly, #78 Ronnie Murphy, #70 Bob Immesote, #53 Evard Humphrey, #6 Joe Lehman, the zebra stripped #32 driven by John McGee, #3 H. A. Ratzlaff, #86 Jay Schrock and #16 Gene Potts.

Recognizable in the 1964 Jalopy Nationals Part 2 film are semi late models #80 Vester VanSickle, #21 H. R. McCarl and #65 John Reeves (crashed in pole by stage). Lined up on the front straightaway for the third hear race are: #20 Pinky Mullens, #57 Harlan Suedmeier, and #00 Don Shumard. Among the cars going around can be seen the #98 driven by Don Spreier. The flagman is Al Alexander. Roy Bryant can been seen climbing out the passenger window of the Lawrence-Miller-owned #7 after winning the trophy dash and then excepting the trophy from one of the race queens. The #12 was driven by Wylan Cattrell. The #18 semi-late spinning through the infield was driven by Gilford Shirley. #46 was driven by driven by Gilbert Story. #9 was Mel Montgomery. Of course, the winner was Roy Bryant.

In the 1965 Jalopy Nationals film, the fourth heat race is shown lined up on the racetrack and some of the cars easily visible are #28 Charlie Pitts, #68 David Flatt, Jr., #22 Bob Salem, #19 Cleman Humphrey, #54 Bill Lewis, #55 Frank Lies, #112 Evard Humphrey, #45 Jerry Douglas, #7 Roy Bryant, and #5 Bob Reynolds.

Some of the film "1959 Kansas Racing" was taken at the Hutchinson Nationals that year. Note there is a car that has a letter F on the door in place of a number. Only the fastest 100 cars in time trials that year were issued numbers. The next several were to be alternates and were issued letters instead of numbers. The first alternate was assigned the letter "A" so this car "F" would have been the 106th fastest qualifier and the sixth alternate.

Parts 1 and 2 of the 1957 Kansas Drivers Revised films are narrated by the late Gary Virden. Gary, along with his late brother, were the official track photographers at 77 Speedway at Arkansas City, Kansas. Gary's car and driver identification is right on the mark and I can add very little too it. Gary was a son-in-law of car owner Lawrence Brooks who owned the "8"Ball" car that Will Forrest and Orval Beckel drove. Brooks also owned the car that Stanley Trahern qualified second fastest for the 1962 Hutchinson Nationals and started outside pale sitter Charlie Lutkie in that event. Brooks is referred to in these films as "Grandpa Brooks" as Gary was narrating the films for his children and grandchildren who were thus descendants of Brooks.

These films were made from short segments of 8mm film that had been spliced together not necessarily in chronological order.

Part 1 was taken at the Cowley County Fairgrounds at Winfield, Kansas on Memorial Day, 1958. Gary mentions a #18 Buick there. That was owned by Jim McMillan and driven that day but Jack Walker both of Wichita.

Part 2 begins with footage from the Hutchinson Nationals in 1962. It then moves to 81 Speedway for scenes from 1963 and 1964. The semi-late model footage was taken at 81 Speedway in 1964. One of the semi-late models briefly seen there but not identified is the #17 Plymouth of eventual 1964 semi-late model points champion Roy Andrews.

The scene then moves to 77 Speedway at Ark City in 1958 before ending up with scenes taken there in 1957.

Bob Lawrence

 



Thank you, I'll have to make those corrections when I can.




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In the film (1962 Nationals Dwane Wolfe col.) first is shown #17 and following that car is Lee Salmans #10. It is the same car shown in these photos. I've heard it many times that Lee never had the same color scheme for long. Always changing. I believe Lee is still living near Provo, Utah and his brother recently restored Lee's #10 sedan which he raced in 59. High point car in 1959 Merrick promotions if I remember correctly. I am enjoying these films. Steven Schrater



Steven, Larry Torson has made a text appearance her on the forum a time or two. He was going to tell some stories here about his racing days. I guess he got busy with other things. I'm guessing he may check in now and then?


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In the first paragraph you state that you do not recognize the car after #15 Wild Bill. The pink #54 is David Ross. I remember as a youngster the two pink cars of David Ross and Larry Torson #55. I think they raced together often. I was always amaized by the small size of thier cars (compared to the norm) and the small roll bars on Larry's 55. What ever happened to Larry Torson? When did he quit racing? You probably posted something on him already and I may have missed it. Thanks for the great coverage. Steven Schrater



The 54 car of David Ross is restored and runs with the KAR it has a Henry Ellington motor. The first video shows the first heat race the crash with all those cars the one they are running to is David Ross. He was knocked out and went to the crash house in that old Ambulance. The car still has the bend in the bumper from that crash.



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November 04, 2010 at 08:46:07 PM
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Part 1

 

 




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part 2- video courtesy of David Smith Jr and Oklahomatidbits.com

 




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Posted By: winfield on November 01 2010 at 08:54:03 PM

The film titled "1961 Hutchinson Nationals Part 1 - Dwane Wolfe col." starts out with the time trials ran on Saturday when the cars had their regular numbers. #29 Frank Lies and #7 Nut Cokeley, both of whose cars were owned by Cliff Durr, a car that I can't read the number on and then car #28 driven by J. D. Cox, another car I can't make out and #17 Gene Coffman, #15 Bill Nelson, a car I can't make out and then #35 George Witzke, #10 Lee Salman and #65 Reuben Loepp. The first car on the track is #27 Jerry Collins then #28 J. D. Cox, then #78 Jerry Everhart. The next car (white) lined up on the infield is #24 Gene Potts. Then is #51 Dick Hendershot, au unidentified #26, #7 driven by Roy Bryant, the black #62 driven by Bill Curless, #70 Verne Morton, #73 Paul Befort, #31 Jack Walker, #2 I think is Dick Ungar.

From here on, this film was taken on Sunday. #79 Verne Morton, #81 Don Graves, #9 Ralph Cole, #31 Jerry Collins, #21 Francis Kingan, 5 Charlie Lutkie,

The film titled "1961 Hutchinson Nationals Part 2 - Dwane Wolfe col." was taken at those nationals but the film is so fuzzy that I identify anyone for certain. There is what I think is a car #62 racing by in the north turn and, if that is the correct number, then the driver would have been Melvin Herrell.

The film titled "1962 Nationals Dwane Wolfe col." was indeed, taken at the 1962 Nationals. The cars appear with their regular numbers in time trials but have the flypaper numbers on them by Sunday. The cars that are easily recognizable in this film are: #17 Ted Maupin in a car owned by Roy Pulver, #36 Henry Ellington, #15 Bill Nelson in a car owned by Bob Garner, #11 Grady Wade in the Nance car, #24 Charlie Lutkie, #50 Melvin Harrell, #21 Tommy Bell, #17 Doran Raine, Jr., #15 Gene Angel, (that is Bob Garner leaning in to talk to Bill Nelson in the black car lined up next to Gene Angel's #15 in the fourth heat race), Nelson is then shown after winning the trophy dash in the #14, the white car making the victory lap with the checkered flag is #57 Bill Smith having won the Semi-Nationals. Charlie Lutkie is shown starting on the pole of the 50-lap feature and, of course, winning it. That is car owner Al Davis in the dark shirt standing with Charlie at the end.

The film "Hutch Nationals 1962? Part 2 - Dwane Wolfe" were actually taken at the 1963 Nationals. Easily recognizable are #92 Jerry Kerstine, #29 Charlie Lutkie, #5 Harold Armstrong, #66 Dick Walker, #19 Ody Fellows, #24 Bob Peck, #1 Dale Reed (this is the same Hudson that Lutkie won the Nationals in the year previous), #11 Grady Wade, #54 Dave Ross, #70 Duane Cauley, #12 Wylan Cattrell, #32 Francis Kingan, and, of course, Forrest Coleman who won the race.

The "60's Nationals Part 5 -Dwane Wolfe" was also taken at the 1963 Nationals. Recognizable are #69 Jack Petty in George Hibbs' car, #9 Bob Roberts, #18 Shot Hampton (having hit the fence in the north end), #16 Gene Potts, #66 Dick Walker receiving trophy for winning Semi-Nationals, #54 Dave Ross #11 making up the front row of the 50-lapper, #29 Charlie Lutkie, and #53 Frank Lies.

Recognizable in the 1964 Jalopy Nationals Part 1 film are #93 Doug Hagan, #121 Bob Moberly, #78 Ronnie Murphy, #70 Bob Immesote, #53 Evard Humphrey, #6 Joe Lehman, the zebra stripped #32 driven by John McGee, #3 H. A. Ratzlaff, #86 Jay Schrock and #16 Gene Potts.

Recognizable in the 1964 Jalopy Nationals Part 2 film are semi late models #80 Vester VanSickle, #21 H. R. McCarl and #65 John Reeves (crashed in pole by stage). Lined up on the front straightaway for the third hear race are: #20 Pinky Mullens, #57 Harlan Suedmeier, and #00 Don Shumard. Among the cars going around can be seen the #98 driven by Don Spreier. The flagman is Al Alexander. Roy Bryant can been seen climbing out the passenger window of the Lawrence-Miller-owned #7 after winning the trophy dash and then excepting the trophy from one of the race queens. The #12 was driven by Wylan Cattrell. The #18 semi-late spinning through the infield was driven by Gilford Shirley. #46 was driven by driven by Gilbert Story. #9 was Mel Montgomery. Of course, the winner was Roy Bryant.

In the 1965 Jalopy Nationals film, the fourth heat race is shown lined up on the racetrack and some of the cars easily visible are #28 Charlie Pitts, #68 David Flatt, Jr., #22 Bob Salem, #19 Cleman Humphrey, #54 Bill Lewis, #55 Frank Lies, #112 Evard Humphrey, #45 Jerry Douglas, #7 Roy Bryant, and #5 Bob Reynolds.

Some of the film "1959 Kansas Racing" was taken at the Hutchinson Nationals that year. Note there is a car that has a letter F on the door in place of a number. Only the fastest 100 cars in time trials that year were issued numbers. The next several were to be alternates and were issued letters instead of numbers. The first alternate was assigned the letter "A" so this car "F" would have been the 106th fastest qualifier and the sixth alternate.

Parts 1 and 2 of the 1957 Kansas Drivers Revised films are narrated by the late Gary Virden. Gary, along with his late brother, were the official track photographers at 77 Speedway at Arkansas City, Kansas. Gary's car and driver identification is right on the mark and I can add very little too it. Gary was a son-in-law of car owner Lawrence Brooks who owned the "8"Ball" car that Will Forrest and Orval Beckel drove. Brooks also owned the car that Stanley Trahern qualified second fastest for the 1962 Hutchinson Nationals and started outside pale sitter Charlie Lutkie in that event. Brooks is referred to in these films as "Grandpa Brooks" as Gary was narrating the films for his children and grandchildren who were thus descendants of Brooks.

These films were made from short segments of 8mm film that had been spliced together not necessarily in chronological order.

Part 1 was taken at the Cowley County Fairgrounds at Winfield, Kansas on Memorial Day, 1958. Gary mentions a #18 Buick there. That was owned by Jim McMillan and driven that day but Jack Walker both of Wichita.

Part 2 begins with footage from the Hutchinson Nationals in 1962. It then moves to 81 Speedway for scenes from 1963 and 1964. The semi-late model footage was taken at 81 Speedway in 1964. One of the semi-late models briefly seen there but not identified is the #17 Plymouth of eventual 1964 semi-late model points champion Roy Andrews.

The scene then moves to 77 Speedway at Ark City in 1958 before ending up with scenes taken there in 1957.

Bob Lawrence

 



Bob,

I changed the titles and eventually will add in the names too.

 

Is that Jack Walker (#31) of Walker Racing ? The same one who worked with Jelly and Harold Leep?




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Yes. That is the same Jack Walker and the father of Bobby Walker.

 


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Coming soon

 




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Night one, part 1

 




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Night one- part 2

A main

 




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Night two- part 1

consy races

 




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SAME AS ABOVE-

BUT PART 2

 




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Final A mains are loading right now, They should be ready by tomorrow. Wish I could have had them sooner for you guys--truly. It almost hurts for these to take so long, but I do not like to hurt the video quality.

The lineup for the showdown, at the OkC Corral.

From last to first

 




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A main - part 1 Sunday

 




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part 2 SUNDAY A MAIN

 




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PT 3 A MAIN FINISH

 




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found this




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Beloit, Kansas racing

 


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PT 3 A MAIN FINISH

 



To All,

First I would like to tell Brian Satterwhite thanks for taking the time and putting this on here, GREAT JOB!!!! Shorty told me the other day that some of this stuff was coming up so I have been waiting to view the whole series. One think I want to correct Brian on is in '85 it was a RR issue not LR. In '86 I think NCRA was the strongest 360 racing anywhere in the country, I know alot of USAC'ers are not going to agree but you know the fact is when they came to OKC Larry accommadated them with anything they wanted, even though it might have been a home track for NCRA, USAC ran the show they got the track worked in like they wanted and if it was an iffy call it went in there favor!! In '83 when Herb & Carol kicked there ass maybe you could say hometrack advantage as they both had ran cars here for years wingless, by '86 though the only non-wing show NCRA drivers ran was this one for the most part. I didn't have much need for USAC when MP and I raced with them in Hill & Kearneys car even though MP did well for what we had they still looked down on us. In '83 at a dinner at Applewoods that Larry put on I almost puked listening to 2 or 3 of those USAC guys boasting about how NCRA didn't stand a chance, well Herb & Carol showed them differant and in '86 Shane drove the nail in the coffin!!! Even though Hood won in '84 & '85 I never considered Ricky a true USACer, hell he was really an outlaw. Vogler,Bettenhausen,Rice,Kinser etc, all thought there shit didn't stink, well it stinks just as bad as mine or anybody else's!! If you watch all of this series from '86 you can see that Rice dumped Donnie Ray in the qualifier just like Vogler dumped Jon in the A-Feature. One thing that I have learned from watching these tapes is how much tunnel vision I had, I was really pissed when Vogler dumped Jon that was just another slap in the face from USAC and when Shorty rammed him on the front stretch and got out to talk to him what we should have done was pulled Vogler out and let Jon kick his ass, if USAC had any balls they would have put him in the pits but being one of there fair haired kids that wasn't going to happen!! Any way back to the race, until I watched this I have thought all these years that Shorty passed Vogler for the win, not Rice. Next time I see Gary Lee I'm going to have to think him for wearing Vogler and Rice down so we could win. I'm not taking anything away from Shane because he drove a great race and he wasn't going to be denied the win, if you watch these tapes you will see why I say even to this day Shane Carson is one of the Top 10 open wheel non-wing driver's ever, believe me I know that is stout but you watch him, early on the car was loose and he didn't lose his cool and over drive it, when Gary Lee or Rice passed him he just took his time stayed in the hunt and at the end when everybody else had burned there tires and brakes up he swarmed there ass, I actually thought we didn't get the lead until the 46th lap but on these tapes he took the lead on the 40th lap and was just gone, he was faster the last ten laps then he was any of the first 40 laps. One think alot of people don't know is that we started this race on a pair of cured M-4O's most everybody else was on M-62's or M-65's and we had an M-65 RF, when it was over we still had 3/4 of our tread left on the RF most everybody else had grained there RF's almost off, Rice's tires were slick, same thing happened to Gary Lee, Ewell & Vogler. If Jon hadn't of crashed would the results have been differant we will never know but as I've also said on this site Jon Johnson was a pretty fair non-wing driver in his own right, oviously Gary Lee wasn't to bad early and MP finished 4th in this race, hum I wonder if things had been differant would USAC have came back in '87 to get there butts kicked we will never know but I would bet money in '87 an NCRA car would have won!!!!!!



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