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Now recently in Oklahoma:
NCRA SPRINT CARS
ASCS SPRINT CARS
OCRS SPRINT CARS
and now Non Winged Limited Sprint Cars

I knew it had gotten crazy, but had no idea it was this bad.

That it has Brian. Ed speaks correctly when he points out all the different divisions being an issue in splitting cars up. Its a situation that's difficult to get under control. Take mods for example, even if they were paired down to where there were a set of rules all tracks would adhere to, then it would be a battle of who pays best to get cars to their track instead of others. A very small percentage would run twice a week.

It sure was simple back when, supermodifieds, jr. modifieds, late models and street stocks (hobby stocks or hobos were the different names), but only 3 or 4 classes over all. You could run anywhere in Kansas or Oklahoma and the several states around. The only exceptions were sprint cars took over in Missouri and Iowa and the tracks that ran supers in Nebraska.

Warren Vincent
Cans 4 Kansas Heroes

AMEN!

As for the emods/360 mods they should just go with regular modifieds or drop down to southern sport mods. The emods/360 mods are almost as fast as the regular modified. As champ00 stated, the NCRA/IMCA southern sport mod is the way to go and I feel NCRA did real good hiring a tech for all races. This has replaced the claim rule.

NCRA has the same modified car except they are seperated by different tires. The NCRA modified south has the same rules as Cowtown except Cowtown states Schrader valves are legal as NCRA doesn't not. I also believe Cowtown allows aluminum motors - not sure.

Hobby stocks, pure stocks, street stocks, factory stocks, pro stocks, mini stocks and iamoutta stocks, why?

Even OCRS and SFS champ sprint rules are different. Is the only thing the carb? SURELY something can be solved on this one for the betterment of racing, not for any race series or other.

A former IMCA modfied champion recently told me that Brett Root (IMCA head) told him that the southern sport mods would be going to a crate motor for 2011. Thus here we go again...

Don't forget when Fairgrounds Speedway was up and running we had the Speedway heads and the ASCS heads in this state.

Hopefully when promoters get together during the winter the majority will all agree to finally get on the same page. And hopefully, if this meeting of the promoters is a success, they can all meet regularly at least two or three times a year to discuss different topics and review of how each are doing and what could have to change.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Dunno, just asking, are they that big of deal? Then again I guess it is or more people would be running OCRS and more would be running down in this area (Meeker, Lawton).

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

David, FYI only "ONE " champ sprint carb did not meet the OCRS spec"s , since that period of time many SFS carbs have been checked and found to comply with OCRS rules. As a matter of fact the SFS sprints no longer have their muffler rule or their left rear tire width rule.

Mr Beckley, Did you not recently introduce 2 classes of stock cars at Enid????

Add a couple other classes.

Cruisers?

Limited late models?

Warren Vincent
Cans 4 Kansas Heroes

From what I was told the crate engine in Southern Sportmod will be an option in 2011 and take a couple of years to implement it in but it will be immune to claim. But if they do away with the claim like the last half of this year it doesnt matter anyway.

There are all kinds of OCRS illegal carbs floating around because of the difference of rules. I know that dad had been through 3 while trying to find a legal one. Also the Lawton rule book still says that the left rear wheel rule is in effect, which unless Mark as said and I haven't heard, makes it a rule at Meeker too.

David, as far as the rule differences go, you have a couple of different choices. You can work your intake and run OCRS, or you can work you carb and run Meeker and Lawton with the stock intake. The muffler rule is ASCS at Lawton, none at Meeker, and any muffler on OCRS I believe. The mufflers aren't such a big deal, just an inconvenience. The tire deal is the RR spec tire and the LR tire width. They all run the OK stamped American Racer, but you can run the ASCS tire along with the NON-OK American Racer, and the RC-3 at Lawton and Meeker. That's not a big deal unless you specifically Hoosiers. Anyway, the biggest problem IMO is the intake, then the carb, then the muffler, then the tires (because most teams carry the OK American Racer with them.

I have mine to where I can run it anywhere. I have an ASCS muffler (I'm going to make them to where I can change them next year), with an intake that's not worked, and the OCRS legal carb. That works, but you're giving up a little here and a little there and that can end up hurting in the end.

Just trying to make it make sense for you.

Nope -

Just one - the BOMBER CLASS and it is working! We are proud to see everyone in this class having fun. The car can be claimed for $1000 bux by anyone in the place. But most have about 500 bux in them.

Jay Smith has a Station Wagon where 4 guys are in it. Rules say if you up to 4 people in your car you get to line up up front. So far those are the only guys. Has a rollcage like a nascar racer.

Fun Stuff!

Im just saying, a few post before you are talking about too many stock body classes?

There was maybe two classes of stock cars then they were split and split again.

Now:
Late Models
Street Stocks / Pro Streets
Factory Stocks
Pure Stocks
Bombers

And you are talking about adding jr bombers. just didnt make any sense to me.

I am shaking my head right now. How does taking a $500 car and making a kids class where the Dad or Mom can race it then later their Son or Daughter can race it in the same night not make any sense. Even if they do not do double duty with that car look how many people get involved with a car that cost less than some bicycles~!

The BOMBER class is far from being the class that hurts racing, it is how racing STARTED and then someone let this be added or then that be added to the next thing you got is an outta control class called Street Stock!

What is not to make sense about a $500 race car that people enjoy watching - driving - and being part of?

Maybe it is just too fun for some. Maybe it is to complicated but this ain't rocket science this is about numbers of race cars and how to keep the dollars down while putting smiles on people faces that pay for a ticket.

I will go out on a limb and say I would rather have 100 grand worth of Bombers on the track........(200 of them) than I would 5 Late Models that cost a minimum of 40 grand.

While you may not like those cars (Bombers), you get 200 cars on the track and the familes - friends - neighbors all follow them to the track and the grandstand is full.

That is my job to fill the grandstand and so far I been lucky or on the right track - not sure which but I am not going to sit around and let race cars in my tracks area get out of hand to where the numbers are dropping every year. That is not good for business and I am a business man and a racer and a race fan that wants to see it grow NOT JUST GET BY.

Now that makes perfect sense. I am just sayn'.

Not gonna argue that point at all. I agree that there needs to be a good economy class to get people involved.

I think most if not all race tracks have seen this trend of splitting their classes until they are about out of cars.When I started racing at Enid yrs ago, the factory stocks were basically no more then the pure stocks are now. As the years go by, its like well we are gonna let you run 9 inch ford rears, then its like well we are gonna let you run Holley carbs and headers. It just goes on and on.

Didnt mean to question your motives and now see where your going with this,just gotta dump some of the upper class stock cars and get it more affordable.

I also have to agree that Tech,Tech,and more tech is going to be a big deal in the whole thing. Most racers are going to run what they can get away with,regardless of any set of written rules.If your tech man doesnt do his job and you let someone slip by ,then all of sudden you are back at square one.

Glad you can see that we somewhat think alike. This is what a forum is for. Exchanging ideas and opinion.

Thank God we care. We all know something must be done and it might get ugly for a few classes as some will lose so the masses can survive.

The bomber class is just what every track needs.we are working on our second one,which will be a youth bomber for my son.my kid's have a shop full of expensive race cars,my daughter drove a bomber at the last race and my son rode as a passenger,that's all they have talked about since.my son has lost interest in mini sprint racing and wants to race a bomber now.i tickles me to no end,no more 2 1/2 hour trips to the track to race an expensive race car that is very expensive to repair.the bombers are fun and economical to race.

I raced at Enid for 28 years last few in the street stock class,i got burnt out running 10-12 thousand dollar motors to be compettive,then they just keep allowing more every year.those cars are way out of control money wise.there are several of them setting around that people can't afford to race,what's the use in haveing a car you can't afford to race,thats why i quit .could you imagine the car car count of a $10,000 to win race where Imca stock cars and hobby stocks could race.there was 140 stock cars aqnd somewhere around 150 hobby stocks at Boone for the super nationals and it doesn't come close to paying that..in the last month i have been very seriously considering starting again in an IMCA stock car or hobby stock

we need sanctioned racing and rules tha are tcomprarable state wide or even several surrounding states.The majority of Texas is Imca sanctioned,most of northern Kansas is.somebody has to work at keeping the cost of racing down while keeping the competition up,i know nobody that has done this better than Ed Beckley and IMCA.hell we have a mini stock that has a $2000 head and a $1000 clutch in it.that would build several bombers or a hobby stock.

i personally think the move should be to migrate the pure stock to imca hobby stock and the factory stocks and street stocks to imca hobby stock,i know the imca tire cost a little more but they last along time.i never liked running the asphalt take offs anyway those tires were never designed to run on dirt and you can tie up just as much money in chemicals making those things fast as you would in an imca tire.and i damn sur like watching stock sheet metal cars running over wedge bodies that you can't tell if there a street stock or a late model.

anyway just my 2cents worth,i think there will be some opisition at first but after you guys sell all those high dollar carbs,heads and transmissions and build you an imca legal car you will eventually be greatful there was a change.i watched it happen in Texas a few years ago.

OK uncle a dont get me wrong, I want to help racing in okla and help my promoter. It is hard for a sunday night!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like enid , But sunday is for the birds. I have a job and monday mornings they like me there fresh ready to go. NOT DRAGGIN IN !!! ED DOES A GREAT JOB PROMOTING BUT SUNDAYS SUCK. It doesnt matter every track does there own thing!!!! If it not one thing it another! I love the NCRA, a little traveling , different scenery, the people are great, I MEAN THE PEOPLE ARE GREAT, BUT THEY CANT EVEN MAKE A SEASON, thier season has changed I dont know how many times in the last two weeks. CAN WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE RACING FOR!!!???? They have added five races when we were down to two. That means at least 1500. hundred dollars of diesel, motels, tires motel, pit passes, need I go on, and we racing for a 1000 dollar point fund. Keep in mind this is the last five weeks not counting what we already spent traveling to amarillo and hutchinson .!!!! HOW DO you support that. I guess just take it and go on huh huh !!! BY NO MEANS am I a knockin the personell cause I like chris and everyone THEY ARE AWESOME AS PEOPLE AND FRIENDS, but these late changes suck!!! I looked at the schedulele and said I think I can do it .. We get two races from the end and they add two, then one cancels and they add a two day show some where else. Had I jknown this earlier I might have tried a few other tracks this year and not devoted my self or my car to one series that cant make s schedule and stisk with it. I HATE GRIGING BUT WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO!!!! YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO BE HEARD!!!!!!!!!!!