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Seems like to me years ago when B feature winners paid fairly well, it was noticed drivers were sand bagging. So that changed the B move up pay went to nothing or very little. But some sanctions also changed their point structure but not all of them. And it has been going on for years in some sanctions and if it works for them and they have a good average of cars with a good crowd what the hell. If you don't agree don't run but if you want to bitch about it on-line or on a billboard who gives a shit thats your business. As it is for a sanction do to with their point system what they want...

IT'S THE AMERICAN WAY.................

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

I'm glad someone posted about the points. Seems like you don't want the fans to know how the points system works. I think the point system is kinda dumb, but that doesn't mean i won't go to some more NCRA races.

Ted Sanderson

ok... i understand the point in giving someone "B" feature points... the problem is is that theoretically someone could win every heat race and win every "A" feature and still not win the championship. Now explain that one to me. I know it will probably never happen, but the way the points is set up now, there is a possibility of that. If u give "b" points, make it to where it weighs less, especially if they transfer to the "A"... Just my opinion.

first off kudos to the track for watering it at first i was thinking what are they doing and actually thinking man they are stupid but man was i wrong that made it very racy and fun to watch 2. its not like he isnt in the points lead he has the same amount of points as first would anything be said if his name was in the first spot instead of the second spot just because he is sharing the points after the first night all this ruccus is being said.its the first night and from the looks of it alot of the top ten are tied for some position i dont understand the points either but before lanny changed the city i recall getting alot of points for the b

Joey B

Where is last years sport mod champ Chad McNamara at?

JIMMY MINTER 'AKA'dirtrack234                  
Yesterday 
is history, 
tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift. That is 
why they call it the present.

I think he's in Daytona testing for a nascar ride with Dale Jr.

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

I didn't want to comment further because I like both Chris and David a lot - and their efforts with NCRA, but with all due respect this is being handled badly.

It's not right to jump Whitworth's ass for pointing out the obvious. He is very correct in the point he makes. But if its felt that he chronically complains - is that not something to take up with him in private? (as he is being advised to do) I mean, that door swings both ways.

As for the points system - it is absolutely inexcusable - and until changed will be stain upon this series. It is absolutely inexcusable to have a guy sweep all the races and not earn the most points. I mean hell you would think this is something that would just be completely obvious and not have to be said........but oh well apparently they just do things differently in Kansas LMAO.

If coming from the B Main to finish 4th in the A Main is not better in pay - it shouldn't be better in points either!

It's just such an unbelievably whacky way to delegate points. To say its seriously flawed would be a nice way of putting it. But there is an easy fix - dont give so many points to the B Main transfers....by all right they are TRANSFERRING to the A Main - where they have a chance to earn more points.

This is just common sense - and instead of overreacting to the criticism of it, that attention would be put to far better use in thinking about actually changing it. This is a great series doing good things and more to come I am sure ...... BUT...........as great as it is in many areas - it's a series with a seriously flawed point system. I should post about on the National forum - just to make sure it's not something in the water here lol. But I am pretty sure that all with common sense would agree - if you sweep the night - YOU SWEEP THE NIGHT!!!

Is there any other series or track that has such a point system? to where you could win every race you are in/sweep the night but not earn the most points? Even on the immediate surface - I highly doubt it. and btw that was the point Mike was making with his analogy to WoO and All Stars. I think he was trying to actually compare your NCRA series to those - which could even be a compliment.........his mistake I guess.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

WOW... That about sums it up and I do agree with ya on this one, Cody. I commend The officials for sticking with the rules they have been given whether they agree with them or not. Like Chris stated in his post. But since we all know now, maybe somebody or group (lol) can contact NCRA and maybe with a large enough voice things could change in the future or not. But one never knows does one?

IMO The NCRA racing series has allot of potential in the Oklahoma market and I hope they get the point system restructured so the NCRA in OK will be better than it is now down the road... What other racing series for modifides and full body cars has worked any harder in Oklahoma in the last few years to get something going?

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

true genious from a pollach!!!! LMAO!!!

I think maybe the whole story needs to be known but not on a public forum. Let's just say I have heard of past situations but now am finding out first hand.

Again, the point system for "B" features have always been what it is today. Just let it go, race, have fun and at the end of eight or nine races see how it places out.

Just let it go.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Enid needs to add some of them to there schedule. When there was a Ncra event somewhere else last season Enid only had around 12 sport mods.

JIMMY MINTER 'AKA'dirtrack234                  
Yesterday 
is history, 
tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift. That is 
why they call it the present.

Cody, I couldn't have said it any better and David & Chris instead of pushing this off to the side why not fix the points problem or just say this is how it is and if you don't like it go run someplace else.

How else would one find out rather than run and then find out or on a public forum? Unless there is a point break down in the NCRA rules somewhere.

But spoken like someone involved, rather than trying to fix the problem that has been there in place for years and not wanting to change it " Just Let It Go". Makes sense Thanks....

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

What problem is there when the only once complaining are the ones that the division is new. The late models (twentysomething years), modified north (ten something years) and sprint cars (ten something years) are complaining about it. They are just racing.

Chris and I and Rod Becken (sprint car director) and so forth don't make or change the rules as it is not our series. It is C Ray Halls series and if you have a problem with something, be a man and call him direct. He will be glad to take your phone calls instead of finding out some stuff from a message board, a second rate website at that.

Give him a call if since your running the tour and talk to him about the points. He will listen and be respectable too you. (316) 755-1781.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

We complained about this last year especially in the Modifieds. We dont care if they give points to the "B" feature. Thats fine. What's BS about it is that someone can run the "C" feature, the run the "B" feature and do half ass in the "A" and lead the points! Now it may all play out in the end, but comin out of Elk City last year, thats what happened in the Mods.and it sounds like it happened again in the Limiteds

No one is sayin dont give out points for the "B". Its just BS that a guy wins his heat race and then wins the "A" and is not the point leader. Is that to hard to figure out? Is this task so difficult to understand? And if i remember correctly, you said this is a forum where WE can all discuss racing in a way to be heard. I was part of the series last year and I along with alot of other people agree with Mike. The point system needs to be adjusted. You have the choice to hear what the people are sayin or you can ignore us. The NCRA has a good thing goin and they have a good reputation. We just found something that needs to be tweaked a little. If you guys are goin to make into deal where you say shutup and deal with it, the reputation will become bad and tainted. YOU have a chance to address everyone here and come up with some solution instead of tellin someone to mind his own business.

Is it so difficult to understand for people to just pick up the phone instead of the keyboard, call the NCRA president C Ray Hall (316) 755-1781, not call out Chris and David on a message board, and discuss the situation with him one on one instead of beating a deadhorse to death?

That is all I am trying to say. We are not the NCRA president, there is only one of them, so bashing and complaining here does no good, none whatsoever. We cant change anything and we have discussed this with C Ray ourselves last year and I am sure he isn't going to change again this year.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Well Dave, thats all and good to be said, but i think alot of people have done that. Im not sure, but this is not a new topic around here. I have met C Ray and think he has a good thing goin. Not to say there are some things that bother me but that is something else entirely. But this is a place where we can vent what we think and we have that right. That is what we do on the forum. And this thread has not been viscous like some of the other threads that have been on here before.

I dont know if C Ray is listening to phone calls or not, but i do know that if is he isnt, it will get out on the board sooner or later. There is a legitimate complaint and i know as a racer if i had won my heat race and the "A" feature and was not the points leader i would be really pissed. Maybe as a spectator is doesnt matter to you that much, but when ur points racing and goin for a championship or top ten, every point counts.

I ain't posting no more on the topic as I already said what I know and tired of repeating myself.

Now then, where the heck is your car at, or are you still on the mend?

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

sold it .... but i may show up in someone else's car... just have to see how it pans out.... See ya out there