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Here is my analysis of the Farmington versus MASS schdules for 2008. It is a little hard to follow but I had trouble copying it the way I wanted to. All of the race dates for SFCR and MASS are listed. There are 8 Saturdays when they both have a race scheduled. For those dates I have included the approximate mileage from Farmington and Springfield IL to the MASS to compare the distances for many of the drivers. This will help them determine if they want to run for $2,000 to win (MASS)versus $2,000 at 4 shows and $1,500 at 4 shows (SFCR). I think they both pay $200 to start the A Main. It is approximately 170 miles from Springfield to Farmington. Also, for SFCR I have noted if the race is a regular show (REG) or if higher purse (IL/MO $2,000 and Queens Royale $5,000 in 2007). The Farmington schedule now has 4 specials posted with $2,000 to win for sprints. On the spreadsheet that I built I also included the WOO, ASCS, and Lake Ozark specials, but I could not copy it all over.

				MASSMI
DATE	DAY	SFCR	MASS	FARM	SPFD
4-11	FRI		BENTON
4-12	SAT	REG	NO
4-19	SAT	REG	NO
4-26	SAT	REG	NO
5-3	SAT	REG	NO
5-10	SAT	REG	NO
5-17	SAT	REG	NO
5-23	FRI		BENTON
5-24	SAT	2K	MT VERN	150	140
5-26	MON		QUINCY
5-31	SAT	REG	NO
6-7	SAT	REG	NO
6-14	SAT	I/M2K	NEBO KY
6-20	FRI		SPON RIV
6-21	SAT	2K	MONT CO	135	165
6-28	SAT	REG	H'BRG AR	200	390
7-4	FRI		BENTON
7-5	SAT	NO	PARAGON
7-6	SUN		OWNSBRO
7-12	SAT	REG	NO
7-18	FRI		LIBERTY
7-19	SAT	REG	LAWBRG	415	315
7-26	SAT	NO	NO
8-2	SAT	2K	MONT CO	135	165
8-9	SAT	REG	NO
8-15	FRI		BENTON
8-16	SAT	REG	W MEMP	275	375
8-22	FRI		BLMGTN
8-23	SAT	REG	NO
8-30	SAT	REG	NO
8-31	SUN		MACOMB
9-6	SAT	REG	NO
9-12	FRI		LAWBRG
9-13	SAT	REG	LAWBRG	415	315
9-20	SAT	2K	W PLAINS	180	300
9-27	SAT	REG	NO
10-4	SAT	QR5K	NO
10-10	FRI		BENTON

People can find any combination of stats or reasons to favor or disfavor the Midwest All Star Series. But, let's keep this in mind...What was going on with winged sprint car racing in Illinois, Indiana and Missouri before last season? There were fewer and fewer places to race and purses were getting smaller when there was a race. This series was an opportunity to reintroduce quality sprint car racing to the area. A decent first year point fund was paid out at a nice banquet in STL. Over 130 differeent teams competed in the series events. Give Webb some credit...he was looking after the drivers, finding them places to race, treating them like the professionals they are. This wasn't happening prior to last year.

Webb made sure the whole purse was paid each night....even when he didn't collect the full amount from tracks who were hurting. He was giving sprint car racing in the area and identity and focus. Now, there are tracks in the region that want to run sprint cars and attract the guys who benefitted from last year's series, by promising more money for a few races. Where were those tracks last year? Why didn't they step up then?

In a way, the Midwest All Star teams are sort of a union...binding together for better conditions and to provide a better product for all concerned. It's easy to see why some people want to kill it for their own cheap and lack of vision reasons.

It looks like a great 2008 schedule! It should be fun to watch this series develope over the next few years. Looking forward to attending events at Bloomington and Union. When are we going to get some All Star dates at Kokomo or I-69? They must be to loyal with the non-wing cars.

Since when is one person you guys. I just saw the schedule and there is only one track within hours of here. Would you please correct my grammer. It will not look good for a teacher to have bad grammer.I had a account a long time ago.I do not post unless i see a reason to. I love sprint car racing and i will not stand by and let someone say they are going to put the hurt on a race track because they will not run their series.NOT HEARSAY----JUST FACTS!!!!

GOOD POST !!!This is what racing is about.I hope struggling tracks such as Benton get some new race fans and i hope they are very prosperous. Some of the drivers listed above are running farmington.

If someone opens a track across the road from any track with the right attitude,i'll sure try it out.If he opens the track to put another track out of business,SHAME ON HIM!!!

This is a rumor i would love to know the answer to. Did a or some drivers who did not run mass for points get paid extra money to show up. Some drivers who ran mass last year say yes they did. That could be a union buster. I don't know if Guy gets on here or not but i would love to hear his response.

The sentence "Would you please correct my grammer." should have a question mark not a period.

The sentence "I had a account a long time ago." should say "I had an account a long time ago."

The statement "i will not stand by and let someone say they are going to put the hurt on a race track because they will not run their series.NOT HEARSAY----JUST FACTS!!!!" should begin with a capital I. The statement could also be defined as defamation unless you can actually prove it. Also, I hope that a teacher that can't properly construct a sentence would work at a private school. The thought of honest working people paying taxes to support one who can't GIVES ME THE URGE TO VOMIT.

Thank you. Have a nice day. :)

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no they don't. thats a very stupid and self centered rule. wouldn't be suprised if ASCS ends up scheduling one for that night (the 20th).

hey why no Farmington on MASS schedule? I think some are laughin' at me askin that - but I don't know what the deal is.

and lastly - why aren't the MASS associated with the All Stars "Thunder Through the Plains" - in late July. It's actually a shorter drive for them than the main tour guys from Ohio right? so why no point association for that deal.

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As for paying certain drivers to show up at certain races, where ya been? I have no idea about this particular incident, but I'd be willing to bet that every series that has ever run a race has done that at some point in time. It is a common practice, nothing new here.

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Mr. Right Turns - I know where your ties and loyalty lies and you can try to spin whatever conspiracy theory you want into this. The fact of the matter is that the Midwest series has released their schedule and there are plenty of guys who will look to run all the races, get tow money to travel, get a little variety and experience by competing at new tracks while having some fun, and they will share in a points fund at the end of the season. Will that hurt Farmington? I doubt it. Will it increase awareness for 410 winged sprint car racing in these areas? Of course it will. Will it increase the exposure of these drivers? Without question it will. Will they get that same exposure racing the same track week in and week out? Not likely. Feel free to ask any of them why they choose not to run at Farmington every week. The All Stars have not forced anyone to run the series schedule. We only provide an opportunity for more cars to make a better paycheck each week by increasing the number of higher paying shows. You can believe whatever "facts" you want to, but I know for a "fact" that this is why we started this deal and I never heard anything negative mentioned regarding Farmington in the process and planning of this new series until the Farmington people started raising hell about it.

By the way - it is "grammar"...not "grammer". Apparently you are not an English teacher, but who cares. I'm not here to grade your paper.

Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
Group. Currently just another fan in the stands.

I recently updated my earlier post to reflect the higher purse ($2,000 to win) that Farmington will pay on four of the eight nights that they are going head to head with MASS.

Well there ya go...the Midwest All Stars have already forced another track to have to pay what the drivers deserve to be paid. See how this game works? It's the American way...

Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
Group. Currently just another fan in the stands.

Okay ! My gramitication is awful!!!!My spelling is usually not too bad. My agenda is simple.Go to as many races as i can, Be a friend to as many drivers as i can and be supportive of other tracks and series. I know some of the drivers that ran mass last year will be back at Farmington.But i also know that some are considering mass. That's racing! More power to them. I choose not to support mass.I base that decision by talking to and listening to Mr. Webb talk to others.He has talked to me several times.He was not happy with the last conversation i overheard.I also was not happy.Enough of that for now. I was messing with someone with gramitication.I couldn't resist. My teaching was with boys who were in trouble with the law or life in general.Grammar was the least of my and their worries.There are a lot of messed up teens out there.I pray i've helped some of them.God be with them. amen.

That's a true statement. It would bother me support a series by racing it and know a racer who doesn't support it got 1000 dollars for showing up.Salt would be in the wound if that driver won and the series supporter got 2nd. But a driver can race where he chooses. Fans can go where they chose.Guy will run the series as he chooses.

From information I have, Tommy Worley, Jr. and Brad Greer, who are two of Farmington's top guns, have both signed up as of today with the Midwest All Stars. This is in addition to the teams who were with them last year when the series made its triumphant debut.

Webb's about to announce five more race dates for the series as well....

See what happens when you get him all fired up? Good work, Mr. Right Turns.

I respect the work that you did with the troubled teens. I mean no disrespect to you personally - but you jabbed and I jabbed back. Its all part of these evil message boards. You may have had a bad experience and you left unhappy. It happens in this sport and I know plenty of promoters, drivers, crew chiefs, wives, owners, etc who have had me a little angry a time or two, but I don't get on here bad mouthing them (unless they really deserve it...LOL). I am a self-proclaimed prick and I don't deny that, but my passion for this sport and the All Stars is what drives me to put up with all the BS. All things considered I haven't met many racing folk that I don't like, but there are some who make it real hard to be friendly to. I'm not here to make friends - and I probably haven't made many - and I'm okay with that. My marching orders are to spread the word of what we're doing, defend against the attacks with corrections and facts, and enjoy the racing. Nobody is intentionally trying to destroy Farmington because that would defeat the purpose of why this series was formed. Now if Farmington chooses not to participate and to fight us instead of trying to work together, then that is their choice. The Midwest All Stars cannot be expected to roll over and die because Farmington doesn't want to book any of our races. We'll roll on with or without them...but it's a shame that there is no cooperation there.

Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
Group. Currently just another fan in the stands.

"From information I have, Tommy Worley, Jr. and Brad Greer, who are two of Farmington's top guns, have both signed up as of today with the Midwest All Stars." John Katich

St. Francois County Raceway

FINAL POINT STANDINGS FOR 2007
Sprints:
1. Joey Montgomery 950
2. Tommy Worley Jr 924
3. Jason Hunt 792
4. Bryan Matthews 766
5. Tom Dickerman 726
6. Keith Burch 684
7. Steve Short 658
8. AJ Bruns 610
9. Jimmy Hurley 546
10. Timmy Montgomery 532
11. Joey Boyd 514
12. Bob Thoman 450
13. Jason Keith 394
14. Brad Greer 364
15. Matt Dotson 298
16. Wade Seiler 280
17. Cory Bruns 264
18. Doc Sloan 260
19. Danny Long 228
20. Rod Crabdree 218

Brad Greer is hardly a "top gun", he finished 14th in the points. I will check later what his top finish was in 2007. He is a decent young driver, but has not yet shown any star quality. Worley, on the other hand, is bad fast. He has turned the fasted laps that I have clocked at Farmington. That being said, he should have won the championship last year but was black flagged a couple of times for attempted slide jobs gone bad and has had a history of them throughout his career. I have heard he has a new ride this year but that is not confirmed. Good luck to all of the drivers, but the tire stores and gas stations are going to be busy keeping those haulers on the road for all of the miles on the MASS schedule.