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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: egras on April 02 2026 at 06:35:14 AM
This number might be good when calculating the cost per show when these teams figure out their overall budget, but this is not what a team invests once the car is sitting on the ground in the pits. Fuel, tires, and the average wear and tear on the motor do not come anywhere remotely close to $10-11 thousand dollars. I think the number he threw out was a good number, but it's being used in the wrong context in this example.
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Agree. What's missing is what's fixed versus variable Cost. The $10k estimate is likely "hey it costs $800k to run the WoO tour" divided by 80 race schedule. What we don't know is what it costs to run the 81st race somewhere off the tour. i doubt the budget swells to $810k because you ran an extra show.
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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 02 2026 at 10:40:58 AM
Agree. What's missing is what's fixed versus variable Cost. The $10k estimate is likely "hey it costs $800k to run the WoO tour" divided by 80 race schedule. What we don't know is what it costs to run the 81st race somewhere off the tour. i doubt the budget swells to $810k because you ran an extra show.
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For the competitive team with a shot to win - they are using 4 rear tires a night at $375.00 per rear tire. That is $1,500 just for tires $1,125.00 if there is a right rear rule.
the best teams are rebuilding a motor at 12-15 races so it is averaging about $1,000 a night for rebuild. That is provided one never hurts the valves, valve springs or heaven forbid push a rod out the bottom.
fuel for motor 150-200.
diesel to tow to track at $5.75 currently per gallon say 40 gallons per race average there is another 225 can you imagine the diesel bill for the west coast trips!
5 crew at 45 per pit pass another 220 minimum
just this alone is pushing 3,000 just to drop the trailer door with nothing hurt or busted up or a flat etc.....
so not sure where you need to place to get to $3,000 purse on the traveling series but locally most nights that is second place.
This all is not even adding in the fixed costs....
motors / rig and trailer /chassis /rear ends /wings /spare parts etc
there is no doubt in my mind the top teams are pushing 10,000 and even more per night.
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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: RunWYB on April 02 2026 at 11:24:21 AM
For the competitive team with a shot to win - they are using 4 rear tires a night at $375.00 per rear tire. That is $1,500 just for tires $1,125.00 if there is a right rear rule.
the best teams are rebuilding a motor at 12-15 races so it is averaging about $1,000 a night for rebuild. That is provided one never hurts the valves, valve springs or heaven forbid push a rod out the bottom.
fuel for motor 150-200.
diesel to tow to track at $5.75 currently per gallon say 40 gallons per race average there is another 225 can you imagine the diesel bill for the west coast trips!
5 crew at 45 per pit pass another 220 minimum
just this alone is pushing 3,000 just to drop the trailer door with nothing hurt or busted up or a flat etc.....
so not sure where you need to place to get to $3,000 purse on the traveling series but locally most nights that is second place.
This all is not even adding in the fixed costs....
motors / rig and trailer /chassis /rear ends /wings /spare parts etc
there is no doubt in my mind the top teams are pushing 10,000 and even more per night.
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The argument was not about the racing budget for the year. It was about how the context of the $10,000 per night to run was not accurate. Once the car and crew are there, using your numbers, you're looking at $2500. Still expensive, but not the $10,000 to "drop the gate." The $10,000 per night is estimated at the start of the season, and the budget that's set.
In the context of what brought this argument about, Tanner was not going to spend anywhere near $10,000 to run the remainder of the show. Barring a wrecked car, he was going to need another 1-2 grand. Still expensive, and I don't fault him at all for doing it. I just don't want the numbers skewed so bad that the average Joe believes he was going to spend another $10,000 to stick around. That's just not accurate. He was already there.
I also agree many teams are far exceeding $10,000 per night when you factor everything in. No doubt in my mind. If not for sponsors and rich guys liking to blow money, we'd have nothing to watch. Because purse money sure as hell hasn't paid the bills for the past 30 years.
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April 02, 2026 at
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The argument was not about the racing budget for the year. It was about how the context of the $10,000 per night to run was not accurate. Once the car and crew are there, using your numbers, you're looking at $2500. Still expensive, but not the $10,000 to "drop the gate." The $10,000 per night is estimated at the start of the season, and the budget that's set.
In the context of what brought this argument about, Tanner was not going to spend anywhere near $10,000 to run the remainder of the show. Barring a wrecked car, he was going to need another 1-2 grand. Still expensive, and I don't fault him at all for doing it. I just don't want the numbers skewed so bad that the average Joe believes he was going to spend another $10,000 to stick around. That's just not accurate. He was already there.
I also agree many teams are far exceeding $10,000 per night when you factor everything in. No doubt in my mind. If not for sponsors and rich guys liking to blow money, we'd have nothing to watch. Because purse money sure as hell hasn't paid the bills for the past 30 years.
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I'm smiling with this discussion recalling how our driver viewed it this way - but the owner looked at total cost per night. I can assure you we all had many a math lessons discussing this.....pit speak always said there is only one way to get rid of money quicker than spending it on a race car and that is to simply put a match to it and burn it.
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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: RunWYB on April 02 2026 at 03:35:59 PM
I'm smiling with this discussion recalling how our driver viewed it this way - but the owner looked at total cost per night. I can assure you we all had many a math lessons discussing this.....pit speak always said there is only one way to get rid of money quicker than spending it on a race car and that is to simply put a match to it and burn it.
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Had Tanner stayed He could have been the show. As it was Carson got that honor but the race was so good upfront who got the most coverage was Timms and Kofoid. The HL is off for for a week or so so see if any want to challenge the WOO. HL was great for having races that paid well during the week. Now they are a competing series which is different. The crowds have been better for WOO but racng isnt much different. Look at all the lapped cars in both series . I have no problem with 30 car fields versus 50
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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: RunWYB on April 02 2026 at 03:35:59 PM
I'm smiling with this discussion recalling how our driver viewed it this way - but the owner looked at total cost per night. I can assure you we all had many a math lessons discussing this.....pit speak always said there is only one way to get rid of money quicker than spending it on a race car and that is to simply put a match to it and burn it.
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I promise you, I get it. Just saying, the reason this was brought up was the Tanner situation. It wasn't going to cost that much to stay once the car was already unloaded. All respect to the owners and drivers. Tanner made a business decision and I don't fault him.
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April 02, 2026 at
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Posted By: RunWYB on April 02 2026 at 03:35:59 PM
I'm smiling with this discussion recalling how our driver viewed it this way - but the owner looked at total cost per night. I can assure you we all had many a math lessons discussing this.....pit speak always said there is only one way to get rid of money quicker than spending it on a race car and that is to simply put a match to it and burn it.
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I promise you, I get it. Just saying, the reason this was brought up was the Tanner situation. It wasn't going to cost that much to stay once the car was already unloaded. All respect to the owners and drivers. Tanner made a business decision and I don't fault him.
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April 03, 2026 at
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Posted By: egras on April 02 2026 at 09:31:34 PM
I promise you, I get it. Just saying, the reason this was brought up was the Tanner situation. It wasn't going to cost that much to stay once the car was already unloaded. All respect to the owners and drivers. Tanner made a business decision and I don't fault him.
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Yepper I know and I agree.
Oncd they towed to the track - paid for pit passes - put the car on the track - timed albeit not well by their standards - than decided to pack it up opens up the proverbial perception is reality debate.
Can't speak for the 88 crew members; but, as a former crew guy I would of have preferred the night off from the start. Most likely thoughts of why didn't we stay to fight once we entered the fight may have crept into my thoughts.
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