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I have no idea what you think you have debunked, or what you think my talking points are. I've given you my own personal thoughts from observing how the reds have done everything in there power to make Obama look bad to the detriment of us all.....This is my quote, no talking points and I stand by it... "I'll vote for him again, and with a little luck maybe the reds will actually help pass some bills to get this show on the road again, instead of voting down every job creating bill that comes before them; even if it originally was their own idea! The agenda of the reds is not to create jobs or improve the economy, it's to make Obama look as bad as possible. Their whole agenda has been to crush everything within their power that might help this administration do it's job, and to hell with helping us. It's borderline treason in my opinion"

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Never hit stationary objects!

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They need to get the average joe workin, I seen this comin along time ago. Didn't vote for along time & now that I do what the hell changed, They talk good shit, Some people bite & for a 2nd & 3rd time even. This is the mentality of our Government, If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bullshit. I feel sorry for peoples kids & grandkids, What is in this for them. I don't have to worry about that because the name stops with me. I bust on union people & I know some, They are great if ya get that union job but what about the little people that have 10 or 11 dollar an hr job or less. The owner of the place has to charge more for your 20 to 22 dollars an hr + a lttle more for inventory, etc. When ya get into teachers, city, state & federal government it is totaly on the taxpayer & if ya don't have them then eventually you are not going to have teachers, firemen & police because the money is not there for them but yet they do not see this. They had firemen coming door to door here & I didn't see them, I would have asked them why are they not lobbying for the average joe instead of looking out for yourselves, If the average joe was working & paying taxes this deal would be a non issue. Get our jobs back in the USA. Republicans & Demorcrats both need to stop doing stupid shit.

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Maybe I didn't say it properly, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if it is a repub or a dem if they don't change the way this country is being run it won't matter, you can not continue to spend more than you make without serious consequences. It was in the day that people went to congress to serve the people but they have made it now that they go there to get rich and it has to change, dem or repub, the law they passed that exempts all of them from insider trading should show all of America what we are dealing with, crooks. You can think that all the woderful dems are on your side if you want to,but I would recomend putting a little bit of thought to it.

Grady

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Absolutely. I read a report a few weeks ago that claimed that the average congress critter's portfolio has increased by 25% since 2008. They don't live like the rest of us and never will. They've assumed too much power and it needs to be taken from them.

Libertarians have been screaming this from the mountain tops for a very long time now. It's about time that every body else wakes up and sees it as well.

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This kid has it made, I work for the reds! Whoops, I mean I basically work for the red state of AZ... Even though I only work in facilities at a large community college, I reap all the benefits that our long time (ask Grady) red run state government has put in place for themselves. Lets see, insurance? Not a problem, and since I'm single I get the top of the line in all category's for free, with just a measly $300 deductible, and low co-payments. Retirement? Hell yes, and I was vested after only 5 years! Lets see, with pay I get a week off for spring break just like the students, and two weeks for Christmas too, and 3 days to eat a Turkey; plus numerous other "holidays". Oh, and three weeks vacation just in case that's not enough time off at the taxpayers expense. Unions! Who in the hell needs a union when you work for a red run state that takes care of themselves, and to hell with the peons.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

if spending and wars and tax cuts are your problem let me remind you that obama has spent as much or more in 3 years as bush did in 8. he has also continued the same wars and got us involved in others. he has also pushed for the payroll deduction tax cuts that have resulted in less revenue. as far as the jobs coming, i doubt that will happen until this government can stop making business out to be the bad guy. the president has been waging war on the business community and they have no sense of security as long as he is in charge. he is making enemies of the very people he is trying to look to for help and it is starting to show as contributions to him by them are plummeting. he thinks he can create a new business community over night in the "green" sector that will be more favorable to him. the thing is, it isn't going to happen. the public is getting wise to his funneling money to "green" causes at their expense. ethanol as a viable alternative to gasoline is a joke. we in the racing community know you get half the fuel mileage on ethanol or methanol and with the government continuing to mandate more fuel mileage that doesn't make sense. also engines don't perform well in cold or wet conditions with ethanol and you can't store it in the ground or in your tank long because it conducts moisture.

the electric cars are a joke as well as most of the fuel to get the electricity comes from coal and natural gas. besides, isn't our national electric grid barely able to handle the use we are putting on it now? what will happen when a bunch of cars get plugged in? the chevy volt was supposed to save america. with its battery packs made in korea, its transmission made in japan, its gas engine made in austria and its electric motors made in mexico i wonder who it is really saving. well i doubt it is saving anyone because no one is buying it. also recent tests show that it is the environmentally friendly equivalent to the ford pinto as the battery has shown to catch fire in collisions.

i got a little off track, but i had a point to pass on. i wanted to say if spending and wars and tax cuts bother you, they should bother you no matter who does them.

by the way i hope you have a great holiday season and you make sure to give a shout when you are out this way.

to indy and beyond!!

Are you really serious? Barak saved NASCAR?? Bigfish, ask yourself WHY Obama bailed out GM & Chrysler?? Was it to save GM & Chrysler or was it pandering to the union voters? Remember, I believe that part of the "reoraginzation" of both companies was to add more union voice to the board of directors and give the "workers" more say in how GM & Chrysler do business. Giving the union more say in how ANY company is managed is a death wish. I predict that one or both of these companies will be bought out, go bankrupt or be nationalized within 10 years.

Obama bailed out GM and Chrysler because they needed help and fast. The Dem's have always had union support, and you should know that. The bottom line is that it worked, and as far as how it would have effected NASCAR if they had had failed is debatable, and why I'd put up that quote I'd found. It is a provocative thought, is it not?... Looking for them to fail within ten years is a nice idea, if you're unamerican.

In case you don't remember, or care to, Bush gave them money without much thought at all.

December 19, 2008: 2:48 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- President Bush announced a rescue plan for General Motors and Chrysler LLC Friday morning that will make $13.4 billion in federal loans available almost immediately.

BUSH>>>"Government has a responsibility to safeguard the broader health and stability of our economy," he said. "If we were to allow the free market to take its course now, it would almost certainly lead to disorderly bankruptcy and liquidation for the automakers."

"In the midst of a financial crisis and a recession, allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action," Bush added.".....http://money.cnn.com/2008/12/19/news/companies/auto_crisis/index.htm

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

bush might have made loans available, but he didn't have anything to do with how the "restructuring" was done. bush was not the one who screwed secured bond holders out of their money or allowed the unions to be the favored party in the deal. the companies in effect went through government assisted BK. most economists and other financial experts say they would have been better off to go through normal BK. the thing that was putting the most financial burden on them was union retirement and benefit packages. how do you end up giving more control to the people who are dragging you down? your comment that it worked is yet to be seen. GM keeps saying they have paid back their loan. that may be true in a sense. the thing is, they borrowed from the tax payers to pay the loan back. that is kind of like me borrowing money from you and you give it to me from one account, then i borrow money from you and you give it to me from another account, and i give it back to you to put in the first account. i still owe you money.

to indy and beyond!!

Never hit stationary objects!

Good deal, buy a Ford and then trade it for a real car.

You'll love this, and as I understand it, it's one of your big hopes for our future.

Ford received $5.9 Billion in loans from the Department Of Energy and I want to stress that this is not a "Bailout" this program was initiated in 2007 under the Bush administration and the appropriations were made in 2008 before the industry meltdown.

This money will be used to further develop more fuel efficient cars, including Battery Electric and Plug In Hybrids.

So what do you think, should Bush have been giving that kind of money to Ford knowing,(or didn't he) the trouble our economy was in and with the debt was that he's already ran up. Do you think Ford was accountable for it?

Ford, BMW, Toyota Took Secret Government Money..... This here is a very interesting read.http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Want to save the government some money? Very few brave "extremists" from either party have mentioned how much we could save by not invading & occupying all these countries. Why do we need bases in Europe, Japan, even CUBA??!!??

Keep up the good fight, Bigfish.... I'm kind of like you, gave up welding when I hit 50, now a sub teacher. Only thing is I don't get all those benefits like you. Subs are essentially day laborers, no insurance, can't even get UE in the summer... I'm broke by Labor Day every year

Never hit stationary objects!

" pandering to the union voters?" Isn't that also called "saving jobs"?

"the electric cars are a joke as well as most of the fuel to get the electricity comes from coal and natural gas" Can't argue with that one...... maybe hybrids would help if they were affordable. I like more research on cellulose based ethanol, uses waste products, not potential food crops which drives up worldwide food prices.

Whats methanol made from?

Never hit stationary objects!