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October 25, 2023 at
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Posted By: tenter on October 25 2023 at 02:42:37 PM
The attendance has dropped A LOT. I know there are other reasons too, but the big reason is because people stay at home or go to local bars to watch instead of going in person . The are a few local bars within 5 miles of the track that show the races live . They have GAINED customers that used to actually go to the track . Many more locals stay at home and watch. Within a one hour radius , it would be many , many more people that do the same.
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You are correct. I know of about 15 people who I know personally, work with etc. I can count off the top of my head who were regular/semi regular attendees 3-5 years ago who don't go at all anymore. Haven't been to one all year this year and some even didn't go at all last year. Their reasons are all basically the same, late nights with the kids and cost. Flo is cheaper and when it runs late, the kids can just to bed. A lot of it is definitely self inflicted but the affordability and convenience of Flo is tough to compete with too. Especially when attending a race requires you to be there and no where else whereas with Flo, you can watch on your phone while sitting along the river fishing or while out to dinner at the bar with friends & family. If they could lower prices I think some of the people I know would go back based on that alone. It's definitely a rock and a hard place.
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October 25, 2023 at
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They can shut off one address at a time. If they could not once people subscribed they would never have to pay another dime. They know how many locations are streaming but not how many folks are watching if any at each location obviously. The cable and satelite companies can also turn on/off individual channels real time. They also know how many receivers are tuned into a satelite channel and recording it for possible viewing later. Over the air broadcasters do not know much about viewers.
I prefer being in the stands vs streaming racing at 1/2 mile and shorter tracks. I have made a comfortable living working in the sports broadcasting business for a long time. Dollars limit the level of coverage i.e. the number of cameras and replay devices.
One thing that I do not understand is why tracks do not have a system like TrackTune which allows people to listen to the PA on thier smart phones. It is a free APP. Ear buds and noise cancelling headphones make it work best. Since it uses the internet a good cell signal is needed. Kind of like MyRacePass needs one.
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October 26, 2023 at
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The 4th post by egras on page one is 100% on the money.
Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL - NYC, Detroit, Chicago,
Seattle, LA Who the H runs those cities.
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: egras on October 25 2023 at 03:00:40 PM
I have brought this up before, but don't know if it's possible. Does anyone know if it would be possible to "blackout" within a certain radius of a track? TV used to do this for the NFL for example. Is it possible with streaming? I know this would be tough on certain people, especially those unable to attend the races due to age or physical issues. Just wondering if it's even possible.
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Yes , there is a way around it . I don't know everything about it , but I think it's called a VPN , where as it doesnt show your true location.
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: tenter on October 26 2023 at 04:28:28 AM
Yes , there is a way around it . I don't know everything about it , but I think it's called a VPN , where as it doesnt show your true location.
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We use a VPN at work. I can work from home but the computer server is in another area 50 miles away. It will show where the server is not your home address.
Let's go Sprint Car Racing!
Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!
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October 26, 2023 at
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: tenter on October 26 2023 at 04:28:28 AM
Yes , there is a way around it . I don't know everything about it , but I think it's called a VPN , where as it doesnt show your true location.
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There is a way for Apps to not work if going through a VPN also where if you are logged in through a VPN the app will not allow you in.
NFL uses a 75 mile rule for their blackout policy I believe. I think 120 blackout on races would be a good start.
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October 26, 2023 at
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I'm curious as to how this purchase equates to "they are gonna take on the Outlaws". We can assume the ASCOC had a successful business model. We can assume High Limit also has a successful business model. So why would you, as a successful business buy another successful business and immediately change the business models of the businesses? I see this as a big nothingburger as far as the infrastructure of the "state of spring car racing". High Limit will probably still run weekday high paying shows and ASCOC will probably still run as a regional series, at least next year.
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: Joe V on October 26 2023 at 08:07:11 AM
I'm curious as to how this purchase equates to "they are gonna take on the Outlaws". We can assume the ASCOC had a successful business model. We can assume High Limit also has a successful business model. So why would you, as a successful business buy another successful business and immediately change the business models of the businesses? I see this as a big nothingburger as far as the infrastructure of the "state of spring car racing". High Limit will probably still run weekday high paying shows and ASCOC will probably still run as a regional series, at least next year.
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Boy I wish you are right, but I think it is wishful thinking. This is all about FLO and their streaming content. They are throwing their money behind this venture to take on Dirtvision. I do not see this as "Let's all place nice" for the good of the sport.
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: egras on August 16 2023 at 07:35:54 PM
Correct, you don't. But a series like that will not dethrone the Outlaws then. A series like that does not directly compete with a series that has all of those perks. I don't disagree a series like this wouldn't be great. However, in the terms you are suggesting, it will not be a direct threat to a tour that races 70-90 times per year, and pays tow and points money to its members.
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who said they would dethrone the WOO-ZERS anyway. they are washed up with how many full time regulars, 15 or so? Larson #1, has the dinero, #2 has the talent and business sense #3 flo is a partner, #4 its time for a change IMO...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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Posted By: Murphy on August 16 2023 at 09:25:35 PM
How 'bout something from left field? What would happen if you had a sanctioning body that didn't have to play all the money games? Let's just say you didn't pay tow money. You didn't have a big points fund. Suppose, instead of feeling you had to force racers to tow the line or lose out on all that money they might get, you put all that money into the purse? Then you work on lowering the cost to race. Stay in the center part of the country, east of the Rockies. Work in a big circle perhaps. Don't go back and forth accross the country. Have a tire rule that doesn't pay off a certain manufacturer. Why not any tire that meets a certain hardness test? If you made this the series where racers could make a living easier and have less stress, you should be able to pull in the cream of the crop.
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Do you know who the vast majority of fans are who come to an Outlaw show? It's not the hard core HH members worried about purses and tow money. It's families who go every year and see or hear that the Outlaws are coming to town and round up the wife and kids and go to the races. The Outlaws came out on top the last two times because of their name recognitio. When thy WoO rolls into town the way it stands now we know we're going to see Schatz, Sweet, Gravel and Haud. The kids are excited because they want to meet their favorites. That's the purpose of signing on with the series. Life wasn't that way prior to 1978, you never knew who the hell was going to show up.
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October 26, 2023 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on October 25 2023 at 04:02:19 PM
You are correct. I know of about 15 people who I know personally, work with etc. I can count off the top of my head who were regular/semi regular attendees 3-5 years ago who don't go at all anymore. Haven't been to one all year this year and some even didn't go at all last year. Their reasons are all basically the same, late nights with the kids and cost. Flo is cheaper and when it runs late, the kids can just to bed. A lot of it is definitely self inflicted but the affordability and convenience of Flo is tough to compete with too. Especially when attending a race requires you to be there and no where else whereas with Flo, you can watch on your phone while sitting along the river fishing or while out to dinner at the bar with friends & family. If they could lower prices I think some of the people I know would go back based on that alone. It's definitely a rock and a hard place.
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Never judge reality about attending races based on that hundred or so hard core fans who would drive 1,000 miles to see a race. They're the ones that are still single at 80 because nobody wanted to do just one thing for the rest of their lives. 
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Maybe Brad and Kyle simply plan to continue what Tony was doing, a mostly regional series. Maybe they'll continue with their mid-week deal, or maybe they won't. We'll find out when the 2024 schedule is published.
Given Brad and Kyle have Cali roots (and they promote Chico), it will be interesting to see if they decide to take the All Stars that far west. I will be very surprised if that happens.
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Posted By: armyduke on October 26 2023 at 07:33:58 AM
There is a way for Apps to not work if going through a VPN also where if you are logged in through a VPN the app will not allow you in.
NFL uses a 75 mile rule for their blackout policy I believe. I think 120 blackout on races would be a good start.
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50 to 75 miles would probably be ok.
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Outllaws had 13 cars and All Stars had 6 cars follow the group all year. Where are all these hig quality cars and drivers coming from to support the series?
Pennsylvania had to import drivers from other states just to run Pa based cars on a local level.
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People that think you can fool the streamers I wish you luck. They may permit it now but there are ways to limit access every where except broadcast over the air television.
TV can make a lot of money and thus afford to pay a lot of money. Look at what the networks have been paying for the broadcast rights to many "sports" including NASCAR. During the pandemic major league "sports" survived on the TV money. They needed fans in the seats to make a profit though. Once they figured out that they could charge more for parking, drinks, food, etc. the cost of going to an event in person went way up.
True Sprint Car fans will go to the races when they are able to.
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Posted By: PeteP on October 26 2023 at 05:30:13 PM
People that think you can fool the streamers I wish you luck. They may permit it now but there are ways to limit access every where except broadcast over the air television.
TV can make a lot of money and thus afford to pay a lot of money. Look at what the networks have been paying for the broadcast rights to many "sports" including NASCAR. During the pandemic major league "sports" survived on the TV money. They needed fans in the seats to make a profit though. Once they figured out that they could charge more for parking, drinks, food, etc. the cost of going to an event in person went way up.
True Sprint Car fans will go to the races when they are able to.
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I don't know enough to agree or disagreel with your post. I do know I've attended 3 Chili Bowls. In recent years I've relied on Flo. Whether I'm there, or not, those stands are full, especially later in the week. Streaming lets those of us that can't attend see the action. Maybe some of us will attend a future event. I think the same situation is true with the Knoxville Nationals. Full stands but many thousand more watching online. Traveling series can use streaming to entice people to come to an event near them. Flo is a bargain and I expect to see an increase in the annual fee sometime soon. DirVision is way too expensive for me so I completely miss at WoO events. I don't see the value, especially compared to Flo.
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Hopefully Larson and Sweet are truly trying to help racers, but I highly doubt it! Long live the Outlaws if it comes down to that! I respect what the WoO has don e for almost 50 years to help the sport! Hell without them over the years I'm not even sure we would even have sprintcars to watch. we'll see what happens but I got a feeling Larson and Sweet are looking to pick a fight and that ain't good for the sport.
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Posted By: Murphy on August 17 2023 at 12:44:46 PM
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I'm not advocating putting all that money upfront for anything like a winner take all race. Take all that money that would be paid out to keep 12 drivers racing at only your races, and spread it over the field. Would guys like Marks be more willing to show up if every spot in the feature paid $1000 more.
Tires- somebody plase explain that to me. If you checked that the tire was a certain hardness before the race, and then checked again after the race, would that tell you if someone doped the tire?.
For sprint car racing, I think we are in the cycle of "it eas the best of times and it was the worst of times". I think i saw somewhere that something like 1700 people have raced in a sprint car in the USA so far this year. And yet, the sport is ruled by one company that controls the 12 best and best financed race teams putting on a "show" for the people where the fastest (and best financed) teams that can buy all the same high dollar equipment race in a program that rewards being fast byt not neccisarily passing anyone. I don't know if that's healthy in the long run.
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Great post Murph, hammerdown, don't let up...
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
Life is good...
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Posted By: &C fan on October 27 2023 at 08:25:26 AM
Hopefully Larson and Sweet are truly trying to help racers, but I highly doubt it! Long live the Outlaws if it comes down to that! I respect what the WoO has don e for almost 50 years to help the sport! Hell without them over the years I'm not even sure we would even have sprintcars to watch. we'll see what happens but I got a feeling Larson and Sweet are looking to pick a fight and that ain't good for the sport.
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I agree 100%.....and I am a huge Kyle Larson fan. He is the only reason I tune into NASCAR races on Sunday. I try to watch every time he races on dirt in a sprint car or DLM on FLO & Dirtvision. That being said, I am worried about whether this is good for the sport.
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Posted By: StanM on October 26 2023 at 10:04:31 AM
Do you know who the vast majority of fans are who come to an Outlaw show? It's not the hard core HH members worried about purses and tow money. It's families who go every year and see or hear that the Outlaws are coming to town and round up the wife and kids and go to the races. The Outlaws came out on top the last two times because of their name recognitio. When thy WoO rolls into town the way it stands now we know we're going to see Schatz, Sweet, Gravel and Haud. The kids are excited because they want to meet their favorites. That's the purpose of signing on with the series. Life wasn't that way prior to 1978, you never knew who the hell was going to show up.
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I'm not advocating for either series here, but your post made me think of a couple things...
About who goes to WoO races- Are you also describing the people that go to monster truck shows and professional wrestling? In that case, isn't it all about the promotion? Wouldn't HL promote the same way to appeal to the same demographic? In 5 years, won't one or both WoO and HL have a different set of fast guys?
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