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So much of the stuff in this thread is a regurgitated talking point of anything and everything Sean Hannity/Bill O'Reilly/Fox News.

as opposed to the opposition that is a bunch of repeatedly debunked bull crap.

you must spend a bunch of time watching sean, bill and fox news to know so much about them.

to indy and beyond!!

you are really going to cite the KOS as a fair example of rebuttal against fox news? also Fairleigh Dickinson tends to be left leaning and not very unbiased.

also the article cherry picked one topic and made it sound like that was an across the board representation.

i am sure there are some msnbc viewers who still think that a white guy with a gun was out side a presidential rally. how dumb are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb523cCtHAI

also just to be fair the survey says msnbc viewers were more likely to identify occupy wall street protesters as predominantly republican. now why would msnbc want people to think the dirty, crapping, rioting, peace disturbing protesters were republican?

to indy and beyond!!

You'll love this..LOL..Poll: Fox News Makes You Stupid

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

This is how they fool the fools, BUZZ

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

I watch all of it at times. Right, left, in between. How could anyone possibly be informed or make intelligent decisions if they don't watch/listen to viewpoints from all sides of the spectrum? Don't really regurgitate any of it as a talking point. Even as someone that just occasionally watches Fox News, I have seen just about every point and argument on here be used as a Fox News talking point in recent months.

So I take it you only watch Fox News or right wing media outlsets?

what is your excuse for being fooled by obama?

again, you cite one little question that some people in new jersey were seemingly lacking in knowledge.

also it was true taxes were going to go up and obama wanted to do nothing to prevent it. tell us how that is untrue.

you can keep trying to post stuff that you think will fool most people into thinking you have some credibility or that you actually know something. the thing is, most of the stuff you come up with can be easily debunked. keep it coming, i have a free day.

like i said before, the left has nothing positive to run on or to add to the debate, so they just revert to attacks and diversion. anything to avoid the real issues.

to indy and beyond!!

if you are going to lecture me on the idiocy of forming an opinion on just one point of view, why would you assume i would subscribe to it?

i am free to base my opinion on what ever i feel. and i do that after trying to get as much info from various sources as possible. the thing is after looking at various sources and taking note of what they tell me and then letting some time pass to see who has been correct in their predictions and given me info that turns out to be correct and valid, it seems the conservative point of view is the less likely to be faulty.

no one is perfect and no one is always correct, but at this point in time the progressive point of view seems to be the most damaging.

by the way, if the other cable news outlets would spend as much time trying to produce quality informative programming that gives more than just one opinion, rather than spend so much time trying to bad mouth fox news, they might actually be able to compete with them.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/05/20/poll-fox-oreilly-most-trusted-news-sources

to indy and beyond!!

also it was true taxes were going to go up and obama wanted to do nothing to prevent it. tell us how that is untrue.

The truth is that the taxes are going to be going back to where they were before Bush lowered them in a time of war, a unpresidented move. And by the way Buzz, they were set to go back to the preveous rate by the Bush, and not the Obama administation. Most of us would like to see the taxes rolled back to the preveouse rate on the one%, with no changes for the middle class, but the reds won't even consider that.

-- In 1961 the percentage of corporate profits paid in taxes was nearly forty-one; now it is less than eleven.

-- Seventy-five percent of the increase in corporate profit margins since 2001 has come from depressed wages.

If I had a buck for every self made man I've met while working for and with successful people that really inherited or married into the seed money, I'd be watching Fox news and whining about the ungrateful peasants too. LOL

By the way: It's glaring on how you just overlook the deliberate way Fox misleads everyone in that clip, and that's just one of many examples on how they do it..

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

you can spin it any way you want. the truth is taxes were going to go up and obama was for it. after he said it was not wise to raise taxes in a recession.

that is the problem with people on the left, they can't win a debate based on truth, so they misrepresent and mislead and use double speak. if taxes were higher before, and taxes were going to be rolled back to that time, that means that taxes would be raised. the reason the tax rate was set to set to expire was because the libs would only agree to a limited time of tax reduction. when the time came to decide whether to continue that tax reduction, the libs didn't want to extend it. therefore putting taxes in a position to be increased.

i don't expect an ideologue like your self to admit the truth, but there are other people out there who deserve to know the stuff you spout has been debunked.

keep going, i have more time to show how misinformed you are.

as far as your obsession with fox news. that is what the left does when they have little left to point to or to substantiate their claims, they start trying to discredit them and make fun of them. fox is just one little news station that drives the left crazy because they tell people both sides of the story for the most part. i am not going to say they don't have their point of view and that at times some personalities there don't use questionable tactics. but for the most part they are fair. a lot more fair than the other news stations.

so since you can't seem to gain an edge on me in a debate, you go ahead and attack fox news.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/05/20/poll-fox-oreilly-most-trusted-news-sources

to indy and beyond!!

Never hit stationary objects!

i don't expect an ideologue like your self to admit the truth, but there are other people out there who deserve to know the stuff you spout has been debunked.

You live in a fantasy wold because you didn't debunk a damn thing. What I posted is how it came down; and as far as you winning a debate, what a hoot. You're just like Fox news I guess, if you say it's true enough times, it must be..LOL If you think the tax structure is fine with the rich not pulling their own weight at this time OK, fine, but most of us no matter what party we belong to see just how far out of balance it is.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

you seem to be the one thinking if you say things enough that you can make others believe you.

taxes were going to be RAISED.

you have been reduced to the last liberal tactics here, misrepresentation, picking on fox news and trying to switch the discussion. at no point were we talking about who the tax structure might benefit. as far as the rich pulling their own weight, you seem to be puking the progressive party line talking points.

you just keep picking on people with money and see just how far that gets us. we don't need to take more money from people, we need more people paying taxes. we need to get people to work. we need to get more people that make less money paying taxes by finding a way to employ them. that would create more tax revenue than your class warfare idea. we also need to stop spending so much money on entitlements. if we get more people to work, we can solve both problems. we can create more revenue and decrease social services at the same time. the idea that "rich" people aren't pulling their weight is a made up fallacy of lazy progressives who don't do a damn thing but bitch because they can't compete.

as i said, i am not going to do or say anything that will ever change your opinion or your mind. what i can do is show others how mislead and misinformed you are. and how unable you are to prove your progressive talking points are anything but that.

you seem to be running out of stuff to continue a valid debate. you have reduced your self to slamming fox news and repeating points that have been debunked. you say i haven't debunked anything. well show me something that positively refutes anything i have said. take your time.

to indy and beyond!!

For the first two years of this presidency the dems controlled the senate, the house and the white house they could have done and did do everything they wanted to do and where are we now? $15 trillion in debt, thats $100,000 for every tax payer and going higher, why would we want to keep on this stupid course? There is no one that can continue to spend more than they take in and not expect to go broke so the dems answer is raise taxes on the rich, the problem is that if you raised taxes on people that make over a million a year to 100% you would only have enough money for three months. The fix is to bite the bullet and get rid of some of the rite offs and lower spending, until then it is all a mute point no matter who is running this monster we call our government. You say "Congress came right out and told America" thats not quite true the dems still control half of that body the senate and even some of the dems in the senate do not agree with the way this country is headed. So I would say that telling the dems NO is in fact putting this country on the right track.

Grady

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So, the information provided in the clip was wrong or do you just dismiss it because of the source? If it's because of the source then you're using the same tactic that the people on the left that critisize fox news.

Information should be judged on it's merits and it's source. If you can find legitimate reasons to doubt a source then so be it. If you're disregarding Mr. Stewart simply because he's on a comedy network then I hope that you do the same with Glenn Beck's network that is having a conservative version of the daily show called "BS of A" that started showing in October.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/glenn_becks_network_attempts_conservative_daily_sh.php?ref=fpnewsfeed

Do you see the dichotomy? I hope so.

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Never hit stationary objects!

See, here's part of your problem. Since I made a case for the Daily Show, you automatically assumed that I used it as a source. While I do enjoy watching Stewart and Colbert for a good laugh, even if I did choose to use them as my main information source there's too much going on in the world for it to be covered in a 30 minute show. However, what Mr. Stewart focuses on is pointing out the hipocracy in our government and our media. Nobody does it as good as he can and it doesn't hurt to have a laugh while being informed.

Also, don't make the mistake that I'm a liberal because I make a case for that show. I'm very much to the right (and further so than most) on many issues than just about anyone else that posts in this forum.

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Never hit stationary objects!

i seem to recall someone saying that obama saved nascar by bailing out the auto industry.

just remember to run when you hear; "i am from the government and i am here to help".

please government, stop helping: http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/25/business/chevy-volt-investigation/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories

to indy and beyond!!

Your position of simply being contrary has been noted. If you would like to elaborate in regards to what was actualy shown by Stuart, please feel free to do so. I'd be entertained by your tap dance.

There is no question that Fox edited that piece to misrepresent what our president said about tax's, no matter who brought it to light; and though I use a variety of sources for my information, Fox news is not one of them because of their blatant dishonesty.

"Remember that just because you hold a certain belief, does not mean that everyone else holds the mirror opposite belief. I think if you stop and look at what the "typical liberal" believes in, it's wildly different from the caricature created by right wing media".

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.