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Awesome, Thank you for your service as well.  Yes, 21 years Army myself. 

I guess I don't see it either, so I'm with you.  Even if someone did get "extra" time, there's no such thing as extra time----the rule is a minimum time allowed.  So, when I hear "Sweet gets extra time" I have to ask--extra time added to what?  If the rule was a 2 minute maximum, and he was in the pits for 3, that would be extra time.  But, since there's a minimum time allowed, how can there be extra time added to a minimum? 

I'm very lost 

Now, if the argument is "Sweet gets more time than other drivers" I'd be interested to see the examples and make a comparison.  However, all I've ever heard is "Sweet gets more time than what's allowed"----which makes zero sense.  There is no max time allowed.  

I remember a certain bicycle throwing incident that the WoO used as social media fodder. I wonder why this scuffle didn't get used as such? 

I am normally far from being a conspiracy theorist. After this final post, I'll put my tin foil hat back in the closet where it belongs, LOL! One question though.. please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Outlaws rule that the two minutes in the work area doesn't officially start on the clock until the lineup is set by scoring? It that is correct, could you guys at least say that it's possible that it takes longer to set the line up for some drivers versus others who are in the work area? It just seemed to me watching the recent 3-day show at Husets that there was an extra effort by the Outlaw officials to get one of their cars that has been involved in an accident to the work area lickety split, then a few more minutes went by and then magically the 2 minute clock starts. BTW, the Earth is flat, Bigfoot is real, and there is a Santa Claus.. LOL!

I feel the Sweet conspiracy theory happened back in 2020 after a race at Attica when some moron on here accused WoO of giving him like 8-10mins after he got caught up in a wreck. I even replied as I was there and was sitting just out of turn 4 watching the whole thing. He got to the work area and the crew started working on the car so his 2min MINIMUM clock started. As they worked a couple other cars entered the work area as they needed to be brought in on the hook so the 2min clock for them started even though Sweet's clock had expired and Johnny even said as much. Not to mention the cars were still stopped under red on the track so it was still not even an arguement. I think the person even claimed that they made up the line up not being correct which I also corrected becasue there were 2 cars mid pack pacing side by side prior to the leader choosing his lane. It was at that point that Sweet and a couple others were ready to push out but the push truck had issues with the bar being damaged in the wreck. They said that the work was completed and they were able to push him out I believe before they were even side by side and there were actually cheers from the crowd. 

To add to the the zero sense of the "Sweet gets more time than what's allowed" isn't he on some sort of insane laps completed streak? When is he even in the work area for a considerable amount of time for people to say he gets more time? Outside of Husets a couple of weeks ago, and back in 2020 when he had his string of bad luck, a majority of those were tires being cut which does not take 2mins to change, or engine failures which he did go to the trailer. The Sweet gets more time is just a replacement for all the people that previously said "Schatz gets more time than what's allowed," which that was most likely a newer version of "Kinser gets more time than what's allowed." 

Actually, I really do believe Bigfoot is real. Don't hate.... appreciate!

Probably because it was between two drivers, which many fans find entertaining.   I'm sure when it comes to one of their officials attacking someone they'd rather sweep that one under the rug...

Your conspiracy theory at Husets holds true---------if, and only if, there's a maximum time allowed and he surpased it.  There's not a maximum time allowed.  And, I believe a previous poster is correct.  The clock does not start when the car hits the pits.  

The great thing for me as a fan is this:  I get to sit in the stands and enjoy the races.  The officials are paid to figure this all out so I don't have to worry about it. 

Saying Sweet gets more time in the work area is like saying Walter Payton got the benefit of the doubt when he fumbled the football.  It doesn't/didn't happen often.  And when he is in the work area, I have yet to see a rule broken to get him back on the track.  If so, someone please point out the rule that was broken.  

I like the fact that the Outlaws try to keep all of the cars on the track if possible.  It creates excitement, gives everyone a chance to root for their car, and rarely does a car coming from the work area have an effect on the podium.  

Kudos to you for ref'n. It's not an easy job and you're constantly getting criticized from either team, which I think a lack of respect is why there's a shortage of refs, even pre cooovid. 

I reffed a youth basketball tournament, which were kids around 12 if I remember correctly. After that I had a newfound respect for refs and umpires. The parents are horrible, which translates down to the kids behavior. 

Keep It Real

If the crew guy had a problem with it that gives him no right to talk whatever crap he said to the official. F that guy. What gives him the right to talk bs to the official, and the official is just supposed to take it. It's called respect and the punk crew guy has none so f him.

Next time push that car the "correct" way to the pit area. In this case haud wouldn't have made it back out.

And no way that official should be fired. That's everybody's answer now. 

The offical is supposed to take it.  He can say his peace and then drop it just like the crew member did.  In no way should the offical have attacked the crew member.  That is where he crossed the line.  When was the last time you ever saw an offical in any sport attack anyone on the field of play?  That offical should be FIRED immediately if not before!! 

The offical is supposed to keep the peace....not start a fight.   Sorry you are wrong he needs FIRED!!

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Wrong. This disrespect is exactly what's wrong anymore.

Maybe the official told punk crew guy to get off the track since it was still hot and under caution, not under red. Then punk crew guy got all hurt and blew off the mouth.

There is a saying don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash. Case in point.

Where is it written as an official you have to put up with disrespectful assholes. And as a crew you can disrespect any official is they hurt your feelings.

Work area clock starts as soon as the car reaches the work area as Johnny has said many times. If another car enters the work area at any other time then their two minute clock starts so the first car in work area does have a benefit of getting the second car's 2mins as well which has always been the case. All drivers have benefited from this going off of memory including David Gravel, Jacob Allen, Logan Schuchart, Kraig Kinser, and the more impressive one that I have seen was Paul McMahon when his car was destroyed at Williams Grove one year. I have even seen All Star drivers benefit from it with their rule as well with multiple cars involved in a crash.

Line up  wise getting straight keeping in mind if it is red, the crash scene has to be cleaned up, safety crew off the track, all cars pushed off, push trucks off the track, put pace truck on the track, get the cars in order single file, then the leader deciding which line they choose. At that point if all 2min clocks have expired they can continue to work until the 1 to go signal is posted. At that point they cannot rejoin unless there is a caution/red flag on the ensuing restart. If a car in the work area has anytime left in their 2 minutes once the line up is correct and the cars are double file then they essentially get until the time is up then the 1 to go is posted. So if the field comes off of 4 double file and 1 car has 30secs remaining but 2 other cars have had time expired and have been in the work area, they still have that car's 30seconds to work. It is a possiblity that the car with time left does not get out but 2 cars that were in prior do get out which tosses out the conspiracy theory that tow truck drivers play favorites on who they pull up to first. Which if we are talking about Sweet specifically he was taken last to the work area in 2020 at Knoxville which did not give him enough time to get repaired and cost him the point lead that night. He recovered obviously and I believe it happened at Port Royal later that year but they were able to piece it back together and get him out there well before the 2 min clock expired. And again, he's not in there enough given his streak to even prove there is favortism

Or maybe you don't know what happened because you weren't there? You talk about shooting off your mouth, isn't that what you're doing right now? If the roles were reversed and the pit guy attacked an official, would you feel the same way?

You are wrong on this, words are words.  Actions speak louder than words.  Actions also get you in a lot more trouble than words do.  The offical needs FIRED.  If he can't handle a few nasty words he shouldn't be in that position!

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

There wouldnt be any one from #41 JJR team that i know of working for TSR.  Only sponsors that have kids that are in the pits are from out east and were not at that race.  Dont even think he has any association with JJR.

2 minutes is maximum time, not minimum. If it was the minimum time, then what would be the point of having any time limit at all? If there's a long red or multiple cars being towed off the track, then of course you can get a lot more than 2 minutes. If it's just one car, then they get 2 minutes maximum once the car gets to the work area and the clock starts. Personally I think other than a flat tire, you should get zero. They shouldn't hold the show up for a couple minutes for anyone due to mecahincal failure or an accident. If you get it fixed before the field is lined up and ready to go green, fine. If not, thems the breaks. Fans are there to see racing, not sit around all night waiting for teams to repair their cars.   

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It is a minimum for the first guy in a a maximum for the last guy in. If just one guy in, its 2 minutes max. Pit is closed 2 minutes after the last car enters.

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