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So you're saying that once the special graphics scheme has run it's course, undamaged body panels, wings etc......are then useless? I don't buy that. New scheme/old scheme.....wouldn't matter....the body panels and wings are on the car regardless. I would think also, with the competitive nature of the companies doing the graphics, any design charge would be dropped or reduced by the company who's design is used, provided that company does the application.  

no definitely Not useless, but it’s about $8,000 in cash flow teams are putting into new wings and tail tanks and bodies when they probably have 5 of each sitting around that are already lettered for the regular scheme just because they can be useful after the fact doesn’t mean they don’t cost money in the present. regardless of how much is useful after nationals It stilk Could easily cost 8K To get a nationals special scheme completed. 

Come on now, if you think "sponsors" just means cash in someones hand you are mistaken. 

You guys can argue this all you want but if you arent the one paying the bill then you don't know what it costs. 

If you disagree that's fine. 

Correct, that doesn't mean that this stuff is now useless. If a guy kept the actual body color all the same but just changed the wrap, you could use something new that you already have. ( I say new, because those that are using a special scheme for nationals is going for the best appearing car award, so they are definitely putting new stuff on.) However, my figures do not include any other changes. How many times have we seen someone show up with wheels anodized/powedered a different color? Madsen last year, as well as the BWW white car, that you didn't see them use ever again unless they run that color scheme again, which typically isn't too often in most cases. To do that deal right, you need to have at least 3 lr wheels, and a spare front wheel for each side done up that color, I do not mention RR because you can get away with a bead lock and cover that color on that side. With front wheels at around $200 and Lr wheels at about $490 ish right now, thats not a cheap expense either. Not accounting for any other small pieces that are changed either. 

Correct, whether you use it again or not, it still costs what it costs either way. Bottom line is nobody with a new scheme for Knoxville is bolting on used cosmetic pieces.

What are you saying? I'm pretty sure special schemes make money and that's why they are done. How many fans buy a t-shirt with the special scheme on it? Probably enough to pay for the cost. How many special schemes are due to additional sponsorship? Probably enough to pay for the additional cost. I'm guessing most team owners know what they're doing.

As for telling that guy to stfu, he should. His opinion was, I have money, you fans should be grateful and shut up. It doesn't work that way. 

I would guess most top-tier teams are putting together a brand new car anyways for Nationals, so you already have the fixed costs of wings/paneling there, so you'd specifically be looking at the costs for design/application, which may vary from their normal scheme, but I don't think the relative costs are nearly as much as some as saying here. The true cost out of pocket might be the same, but I think it's probably a safe bet they were going to do it anyways.

It really depends. Back when we were racing, our motto was never bring a brand new car to a big race, bring something you know works. I would imagine that more than half the field is bringing a car and motor that they have run a time or two already this year.

I'd agree with bringing a car they may have previously run. But its my guess (and maybe I'm wrong) these WoO teams trust their motor programs enough that they are bringing the freshest, baddest motor possible to a $150k-to-win race. I'd think they run a test session on the motor and thats about it.

Back to the Nationals paint scheme topics....Donnys car will be easy to see

Stupid question, but can you wrap over a wrap?  Worst case you could peel the "special" wrap off and put on the regular one.  Also for things like different colored wheels, it wouldn't be like you were throwing them away.  If you didn't wreck them I'm sure they would have some value used.

You could wrap over a wrap but it's not ideal as the wrap on there to be "wrapped over" may have nicks, chips, etc. thus affecting adhesion with a wrap over. More likely scenario is pulling old wrap off and attaching new one. 

I didn't use the word cash, but I don't think fo a minute that the teams are shelling as much money out of pocket for those schemes as stated. And I know the difference in what Tony Stewart and the other top teams are getting in the form of sponsorship, compared to what the rest are getting. That's why most of the rest don't run special schemes. We don't have to know what it costs to figure out who's footing the bill, or at least the biggest chunk of it in the case of Special schemes for the Nationals. And if you are spending your own money for special schemes, I'd say quit doing it. If there's nothing in it for you spend the money elsewhere.

Do the fans vote for most attractive scheme at the Nationals or the car owners? Don't answer! Damn right we are entitled to our opinions.....on whatever we choose. Oh and, be careful, the fans provide a lot of their own hard earned money to support the sport, but then maybe some owners such as yourself think you're doing that all by yourself, too.

An awkwardly cropped photo of Terry McCarl's scheme

Logan Schuchart

Clyde Knipp