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cubicdollars
October 06, 2015 at 02:55:36 AM
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Posted By: oswald on October 05 2015 at 10:57:52 PM

Should have = didn't.

If anyone says Schatz should have won it this year you would be losing your mind.



Gravel = Weasel


 

 

 

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Mr. Mac
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Posted By: MSPN on October 05 2015 at 09:06:33 AM

Qualify poorly and start about where you finish in your Heat and you are done.  The most ho-hum National Open of all-time, which is a nice way of saying boring and that has nothing to do with where everybody finished because it looked like hot lap session after hot lap session, most of the night.  Sorry if you paid and went, not many did.  I paid for the PPV and got an education in Buffering, c'est la vie....



I too paid for constant buffering and just shut it off after the C-main. Certainly a great atmosphere for a race but the atmosphere of 2 days of rain hurt the racing. Posse is tough on their turf for sure!



Truth teller
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Posted By: blazer00 on October 05 2015 at 06:34:23 PM

Change the Open into a three or four day points race and we'll see who rises to the top. It may have paid big for the win Sunday night......but face it ....the Williams Grove National Open is nothing more than a one night WoO show.  It's a wanna be race....wanna be as important as the Knoxville Nationals....well sorry, it isn't. Just like at  Williams grove, locals around the country win WoO Features from time to time just like the Posse does. The difference is, the rest of the country's fans handle the situation the same, win or lose. The Posse fans crow when they get a win....and are not to be found when they don't. 



You have to be kidding with the claim that "the rest of the country' fans handle the situation the same, win or lose." The Cali. fans are absolutely awful on here for chest-thumping, then disappearing like Amelia Earhart when the locals don't win.




DustyDevil
October 06, 2015 at 08:48:22 AM
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Posted By: J&J on October 05 2015 at 09:21:40 AM

It was great to see Smith back in victory lane at the grove seeing it only took him another 20 years or so to get there!

considering :

he started up front

races there every week/shiw!!!!!

his car ownre/ crew chief has 100 wins there knows how to set the car up there

seems to me if he didn't Win it he would of looked like an idiot!! With those kind of stats

look at that start up line up you would of thought the podium would of been posse podium 123 

nothink against Stevie he's a fantastic driver!!! at the Grove and deserves a win there after 20 years Hats and BELTS off to him he def deserves last nights W

if you were to put Stevie in the 7 car where do you think he would of finished?????

 



Considering that's the way the Outlaws want it.............everything is about your time trial.  Sux!!  Boring racing.

However, it was a good feature.  There was passing and well I NEVER give any credit to that canadian dude.



MSPN
October 06, 2015 at 09:07:36 AM
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A few Cali fans come on here and get on the Posse Cheerleaders but that's because they win at a lot of different tracks not generally just one (Yeah Lincoln has been your way for a couple of years but the Outlaws owned for the first 25).  They have a right they have produced better racers as far as Outlaw Drivers go.  I have been to dozens and dozens of CA W of O shows and they don't react anywhere near the way the Posse Cheerleaders do, not even close.  They just want to see a good race, unlike the Posseville fan who just wants them to win inspite of how bad the race night is, like Sunday.....Your Welcome...



raybeard
October 06, 2015 at 09:58:14 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on October 06 2015 at 09:07:36 AM

A few Cali fans come on here and get on the Posse Cheerleaders but that's because they win at a lot of different tracks not generally just one (Yeah Lincoln has been your way for a couple of years but the Outlaws owned for the first 25).  They have a right they have produced better racers as far as Outlaw Drivers go.  I have been to dozens and dozens of CA W of O shows and they don't react anywhere near the way the Posse Cheerleaders do, not even close.  They just want to see a good race, unlike the Posseville fan who just wants them to win inspite of how bad the race night is, like Sunday.....Your Welcome...



Can you confirm the years when this 25 year period of time occured?  Sounds like ANOTHER exaggeration on your part.




Johnny Utah
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Posted By: MSPN on October 06 2015 at 09:07:36 AM

A few Cali fans come on here and get on the Posse Cheerleaders but that's because they win at a lot of different tracks not generally just one (Yeah Lincoln has been your way for a couple of years but the Outlaws owned for the first 25).  They have a right they have produced better racers as far as Outlaw Drivers go.  I have been to dozens and dozens of CA W of O shows and they don't react anywhere near the way the Posse Cheerleaders do, not even close.  They just want to see a good race, unlike the Posseville fan who just wants them to win inspite of how bad the race night is, like Sunday.....Your Welcome...



So, the Posse can no longer just win, they have to win with style points?  

Would I rather see a PA guy drive from 15th to win rather than start up front?  Sure.  A win is a win though.  The track and format was the same for all drivers involved.



Johnny Utah
October 06, 2015 at 10:11:22 AM
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Posted By: raybeard on October 06 2015 at 09:58:14 AM

Can you confirm the years when this 25 year period of time occured?  Sounds like ANOTHER exaggeration on your part.



2015 - Greg Hodnett on May 13
2014 - Stevie Smith on May 14, Daryn Pittman on July 17
2013 - Danny Dietrich on May 16
2012 - Danny Dietrich on May 10
1998 - Fred Rahmer on May 30
1997 - Mark Kinser on May 31
1996 - Mark Kinser on June 1
1995 - Steve Kinser on June 3, Dave Blaney on Aug. 6
1994 - Steve Kinser on June 4, Steve Kinser on Aug. 7
1993 - Andy Hillenburg on June 5, Bill Brian Jr. on Aug. 8
1992 - Steve Kinser on May 25
1991 - Sammy Swindell on May 25
1989 - Chris Eash on May 20, Don Kreitz on May 27, Bobby Davis Jr. on July 29
1988 - Sammy Swindell on May 28, Stevie Smith on June 4, Steve Kinser on July 30
1987 - Bobby Allen on May 23, Steve Kinser on May 30, Steve Kinser on Aug. 1
1986 - Bobby Davis Jr. on May 24, Bobby Davis Jr. on May 31, Sammy Swindell on Aug. 2
1985 - Bobby Allen on May 25, Steve Kinser on June 1, Bobby Allen on Aug. 3
1984 - Steve Kinser on May 26, Bobby Davis Jr. on Aug. 4
1983 - Brad Doty on May 30, Steve Kinser on Aug. 6
1981 - Steve Kinser on June 6
1980 - Sammy Swindell on May 17, Steve Kinser on July 19
1979 - Rick Ferkel on July 21
1978 - Steve Smith on June 24, Steve Smith on July 29


oswald
October 06, 2015 at 01:14:02 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 06 2015 at 02:55:36 AM

Gravel = Weasel



But he is holding a $50000 check, not Stevie.

Get over it!




MSPN
October 06, 2015 at 02:45:18 PM
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No exaggeration, never is, facts are what I make fun of the cheerleaders with, sorry your Pom Poms got wet....



kossuth
October 06, 2015 at 03:45:55 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on October 06 2015 at 10:11:22 AM
2015 - Greg Hodnett on May 13
2014 - Stevie Smith on May 14, Daryn Pittman on July 17
2013 - Danny Dietrich on May 16
2012 - Danny Dietrich on May 10
1998 - Fred Rahmer on May 30
1997 - Mark Kinser on May 31
1996 - Mark Kinser on June 1
1995 - Steve Kinser on June 3, Dave Blaney on Aug. 6
1994 - Steve Kinser on June 4, Steve Kinser on Aug. 7
1993 - Andy Hillenburg on June 5, Bill Brian Jr. on Aug. 8
1992 - Steve Kinser on May 25
1991 - Sammy Swindell on May 25
1989 - Chris Eash on May 20, Don Kreitz on May 27, Bobby Davis Jr. on July 29
1988 - Sammy Swindell on May 28, Stevie Smith on June 4, Steve Kinser on July 30
1987 - Bobby Allen on May 23, Steve Kinser on May 30, Steve Kinser on Aug. 1
1986 - Bobby Davis Jr. on May 24, Bobby Davis Jr. on May 31, Sammy Swindell on Aug. 2
1985 - Bobby Allen on May 25, Steve Kinser on June 1, Bobby Allen on Aug. 3
1984 - Steve Kinser on May 26, Bobby Davis Jr. on Aug. 4
1983 - Brad Doty on May 30, Steve Kinser on Aug. 6
1981 - Steve Kinser on June 6
1980 - Sammy Swindell on May 17, Steve Kinser on July 19
1979 - Rick Ferkel on July 21
1978 - Steve Smith on June 24, Steve Smith on July 29


Umm, not 25 years bud. Looks at the number of outlaw shows. spin what you want to spin, but be truthful. 



Johnny Utah
October 06, 2015 at 05:33:17 PM
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Posted By: kossuth on October 06 2015 at 03:45:55 PM

Umm, not 25 years bud. Looks at the number of outlaw shows. spin what you want to spin, but be truthful. 



I was just providing the list.  I figured I would let each person draw their own conclusions.




raybeard
October 06, 2015 at 06:01:32 PM
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Posted By: MSPN on October 06 2015 at 02:45:18 PM

No exaggeration, never is, facts are what I make fun of the cheerleaders with, sorry your Pom Poms got wet....



I'm assuming you used common core math to come up with your 25 year figure.



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October 06, 2015 at 06:25:56 PM
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If you want to take some of the Posse logic on here, it seems to me that the highest finishing local track regular in the field was a Knoxville regular in fourth place. What gives with that?



revjimk
October 06, 2015 at 06:37:53 PM
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I'm a Posse fan but don't take it that seriously, its just fun to root for somebody.

But here's what Bob Trostle (from Iowa & certainly knowledgeable) had to say in his book:

".... he came back from Pennsylvania about midseason. That part of the season he spent out there made a real racer out of him. Thats what you needed to do, go out there & spend a year, cause I tell you what, Central Pennsylvania is definitely the toughest place in the world to race. They have guys out there that you don't even hear of that are so fast its unbelievable. A lot of their back markers can hold their own any place in the country."

OK, he was talking about 1974, but he was saying this when the book was written recently, talking in the present tense. OK, I know Posse hasn't been so great at Nationals....

Go argue with Bob wink

 

 




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October 06, 2015 at 06:38:43 PM
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This message was edited on October 06, 2015 at 07:01:36 PM by PA Posse Fan

Kauffman, Rahmer, Dewease, Pauch, Shaffer, Kreitz, Chesson, Snellbaker, Shepard, Hodnett, Brian Jr., etc. all beat the Outlaws in Posse cars away from the Grove.  That's just off the top of my head, and may or may not have been Outlaw sanctioned but they were there.  Dietrich also because of Lincoln.

Regardless, congrats to the Black Bandit for winning another National Open! Batted .500 at the Grove (6 for 12)! Maybe has 9 or 10 wins there if full-time?  Or challenges Kauffman's season record of 13 wins?  With today's lack of passing, 13 would have been unbelievable!!



MSPN
October 07, 2015 at 08:26:43 AM
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I am sorry, it was 37 years, the 25 number was just an arbritary number that meant that for a LONG TIME THE OUTLAWS OWNED THE POSSE AT LINCOLN FOR THE MOST PART, until recently.  Is that better ladies???  Until the last dozen years they owned the Posse at the Grove also, maybe somebody will post that also.  Let's try and not forget the All-Time Outlaw winners at the Grove are Steve Kinser, Donny Schatz, Mark Kinser and Mr. Samuel Swindell.....What's worse than a Whiny Cheerleader, a nit-pickin' Whiny Cheerleader....



raybeard
October 07, 2015 at 08:41:07 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on October 07 2015 at 08:26:43 AM

I am sorry, it was 37 years, the 25 number was just an arbritary number that meant that for a LONG TIME THE OUTLAWS OWNED THE POSSE AT LINCOLN FOR THE MOST PART, until recently.  Is that better ladies???  Until the last dozen years they owned the Posse at the Grove also, maybe somebody will post that also.  Let's try and not forget the All-Time Outlaw winners at the Grove are Steve Kinser, Donny Schatz, Mark Kinser and Mr. Samuel Swindell.....What's worse than a Whiny Cheerleader, a nit-pickin' Whiny Cheerleader....



Still unable to correctly calculate the number of years from your original statement so you change the statement.  Anger is a typical response to incompetency.




kvaughn48
October 07, 2015 at 08:46:33 AM
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Why was it that Johnson, Madsen, McMahon, Saldana, Allen, Gravel and even Tim Shaffer were all either in the C or B mains on sunday? Is it because theyre just THAT bad or the field of cars was just that tough?

 

Theres multiple WoO wins, All Star wins and All Star championships between those drivers so i dont think theyre THAT bad..



MSPN
October 07, 2015 at 08:55:01 AM
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In case you weren't aware, where you qualified on Sunday determined where you ended up for the most part.  A real race fan would have figured that out already, but most cheerleaders couldn't, which are you, lol?

Beardman, I laugh with every single post, the anger comes from those being made fun of with the real facts.  Who cares how many years it was, other than the last few years the Outlaws DOMINATED Lincoln, don't care how you look at it, not sure why you can't figure it out, did you ride the short bus to school?  Just askin'....





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