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I wish BRR would post on here about how close the races in PA are on every Saturday night since the 50's or 60's.

I live 15 minutes from Fremont and that's where I would have went because I don't want to drive home four hours when I can be home in 15 minutes.

You are making an argument where there is no reason for an argument.

Both shows were highly successful why not focus on that?

It just proves that when a good thing happens you tell 3 people, however when a bad thing happens you tell 10 people...

ok, so long as you can handle the "posse envy" that will likely come from this response.

YES - Posse tracks do have turf wars...and when it flares up, it does get ugly. However, for the most part things have gone pretty smooth here for the last several years with one exception (see below). You have to keep in mind that nearly all the tracks that are considered "Posse Soil" are within 2 hours drive of Williams Grove Speedway - aka the House that Posse Built (thanks to the genius of Jack Gunn).

I would venture to say the Alan Kreitzer is the primary glue that has kept the peace in what could be a damaging turf war if things were ever to go bad here. I do not know the man personally but I hold him in high regard because events that have his guidance are much better for fans and racers than those which do not.

Friday Tracks = about 1 hour drive from each other

Williams Grove Speedway: 410s / 358s

Trailway Speedway: 358s / Thundercars, etc.

Lindas Speedway: Micros

Saturday Tracks = about 2 hours drive from each other

Lincoln: 410s / 358s / Thundercars

Port Royal: 410s / Pro Stocks and / or Late Models

Selinsgrove: 358s / Pro Stocks and / or Late Models

Trailway Speedway: 270 / 600 Micros and Sidewinder 1000s

As you can see, there are choices for the fans that involve 410s, 358s and Micro divisions on any given race night...and not too far away are several Late Model and Modified Tracks - Hagerstown, Big Diamond, Grandview, etc.

Without an race embassador like Alan Kreitzer, the even scheduling in this area could turn ugly real quick.

the one exception - since Suskie returned to action a few years ago, there have been stories that rival the nightmares that go on at county tracks in parts unknown. I used to support the Thurs. 410 schedule but have only been back once this year and missed the entire ASCS 10 year deal that literally went south before a handful of events were run. I do not know Todd Fisher personally, but his tenure does not compare to Alan Kreitzer's years of experience. In his defense, Mr. Fisher has provided a much needed home base for the ARDC Midgets. I have not made it to any of these races, but I understand from friends that these events are well worth the price of admission. I was never much of a 4 cylinder fan, but I must admit that the few ARDC races I have seen in the last 5 years has warmed the plate...and I did enjoy the action.

now for all you jealous fools in parts unknown who have no racing left, go ahead and take your usual mindless shots at me. I stand by my assertion that our racing is better IMO because I have friends who I speak to ever week who have relocated from Cali, Mid West and even Austrailia to join the throng of loyal Posse Fans.

suggestion: if you get a jump start on that cornfield, you might be able to make it to the Grove Open.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Good post, you too JC,

The wife and are heading to Washington D.C. then to Gettysburg on Sunday (9/30).

Goota keep those liberals in check...

The corn looks good...

Thanks PowerSlave, Buck69, Racerman for your support. Most of Buck69's post reflects what I was trying to convey. I've taken the liberty of pasting parts of it below so you don't have to jump back and forth between pages to refresh your mind.

I sure as heck don't see what the big deal is when you have a guy who works his tail off to promote the sport he loves and hates to see all you whine asses make stupid comments about the series he works for. That ain't right. How many of you ever get off your lazy asses and do something for the good of the sport other than sit here with your chests puffed up posting under a fake name with a fake e-mail address. At least this dude doesn't pull any punches and tells it like it is. Too bad some of you just don't like to hear it most of the time. I only wish more people who work for these series were as honest as this guy is about what goes on. Hell I learned a lot about why things are what they are and it makes sense.

You might get sick of reading swamps posts but i get sick of reading this garbage always cutting down the all stars and Guy Webb and whoever. So what if swamp is an official or whatever he is. He can have an opinion too and most times it isn't his opinions that make you all fired up. It is him responding to the junk that gets posted on here and probaly other boards like you said. I would bet that half the officials in these traveling circus shows don't even have a computer let alone know how to post a message on here. Thats probaly why you don't see them posting and telling some of you all to shut it every now and then. You all think you can just post a load of you know what and then get mad when somebody calls you out on it.

Speaking of fake names/e-mail addresses ... KarlRanger is one of those. Private messaged him only to have it returned as undeliverable. Looks like another coward using a fake e-mail address and hiding behind a keyboard.

I think it was Nutbush who referred to Pitgate as Jake's board ... well I'll let you in on a little secret ... Jake has been preoccupied with work and many other things in life for the past year or so and Pitgate wasn't one of them. Trust me, he's been happy as hell to have Swamp and a couple others around to keep the site going.

JC -- I don't think anyone ever posted anywhere that the Fremont race should have been All Star sanctioned. It was the fact that the press releases stated Jim Ford was having this race because he wanted to give back to the racers who've supported him over the years. There are numerous All Star drivers who've supported him religiously the last couple years. Guess they didn't count though ... but I can just about guarantee you that having those drivers racing there regularly most likely had something to do with his attendance being up the last couple years. I'm certain that Brandon Martin, Brock Mayes, Craig Mintz, Greg Wilson, and Dean Jacobs all could have used an extra $15K for their 2008 budget.

With that being said, the date has passed so it's time to move on and focus on the future. Everyone -- tracks, sanctioning bodies, owners, drivers and fans -- working together can only serve to improve the sport we all love.

I got your email "jsfan" about you being curious how I know you are friends with someone. I chose not to answer it. Is "jsfan" the name your parents gave you or are you just "another...coward hiding behind a keboard" too?

Sorry I missed the rule about lurkers not being able to come out of the shadows when someone else is getting out of hand. Did I need to obtain some sore of status like you to speak out?

Some can dish it out, but you should be able to take it too.

For the record I fully support the All Stars. I don't think you should have someone who seems to be dishing it out that much representing your organization. This person's talent is in making a really nice website.

Sorry ranger ... I'm not a coward ... I don't hide behind a keyboard and trash others on an internet message board using an alias name. I've been jsfan for so long (12+ years now) that it wouldn't be fair to those who know me as jsfan to use my real name. Besides ... I'm not the lurker who came out of the shadows to anonymously make my first post like you. Also, I am not afraid to tell fellow racefans who I am. I've met up with some really nice people at various tracks and racing-oriented get togethers all over the country.

Oh ... and I don't have any kind of special status here or anywhere for that matter so don't have a clue what you are referring to with that comment.

I don't recall saying anything about the fans part of it. However, I can tell you there were quite a few of us at Lawrenceburg that more than likely would have gone to Fremont's race too had it been on a different date. Adding up the 5 drivers mentioned along with the folks that follow them and those fans mentioned in the sentence above, would have been an even better outcome in terms of total people at the tracks. So ... not only did 5 drivers get screwed but also the fans who would have gone to both races.

Meanwhile, I agree ... it's over and time to move on. I too am glad everybody saw great racing last weekend.

Why don't you attack the people using aliases that agree with you? Have you ever considered the possibility that you are making an assumption about a person's personality based completely on messages they've posted on a board without ever meeting them in person and getting to know them the very least bit? No, you havn't earned the right to bash regulars on this board. You have made a total of three posts and they are all attacks. You are a forum troll. We are all better off without your "input".

Name: Jason C. Ray

Age: 34

Height: 6'3"

Weight: 245 lbs.

Marital Status: Divorced/no children

Occupation: Engineering Tech.

Race: Pasty white irish lookin' mutt.

Is there anything else you would like to know? Have I exposed myself enough to satisfy? Don't answer that because I could care less one way or the other. We've got alot of people around here that like to bitch but have no answers to the problem. How about trying to find some positives and focus on those? Not so easy for alot of ya' is it?

May I also point out, and I hope that I'm not over stepping myself here, two regular posters who have suffered significant personal tragedy in their personal lives within very recent memory have now been chased out of this forum by some very insignificant idiots over these last couple of months. That isn't what this community is about. The dirt track community is made up of people that stuff that last few dollars that they have until the next pay day into a drivers helmet for some guy that has cancer and sits in the next set of stands every week. We are people that hold out every last hope that some local guy that has nothin' left in the bank account can put it to the big dollar teams that come rollin' into town with their million dollar budgets. WE ARE NOT this garbage that gets dished out on a regular basis on this board. I've been guilty of it and for the most part I apologize for it. For those of you that only come here to stir up shit, we don't need you.

I'm steppin' down off of my soapbox now.

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Message well spoken ... thanks again PowerSlave.