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Wow, don't blame me because I'm right. I guess I need to appologize because I stayed awake in school...

Just as I am sure that the financial "greats" at DIRT could care less if I couldn't control my spending and had to file for bankruptcy, yeah, I could care less what happens to DIRT. I didn't twist their arm and make them buy all of the tracks and other sanctions, thus driving them to over $60,000,000 in debt. It was their choice to be the "only game in town". Face it, they made their bed and now they have to lie in it.

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Yeah, I'm not blaming you for being right. I'm telling you that it's pathetic that you would put your ego and the need to be right over the health of sprint car racing.

No matter what happens there will still be a group of drivers out there that will pound the Posse about every time they leave the porch and most of the time on the porch. They don't need a name either, talent wins out and most of it is on the road like it always has been, sorry about your luck BRR, Cobra and Cubic and wannabe Posse boy Hawker. Some things ain't ever gonna change and some won't ever deal with it, lmao. I still go to watch my old high school team play football but I don't pretend they're the NFL either, nothing wrong with watching locals race if that's your deal either, to each his own, enjoy. I bring this up because it's relevant with the naysayers in this posting who are mostly Posse fans and wannabee Posse fans, Take It Easy.....

PS The VAST majority of fans that leave Outlaw shows are pleased, MOST of the time in spite of what naysayers like a few in this forum would want you to believe. I watched it happen for years and hundreds and hundreds of times in more places than the three stooges have seen them race combined. I need to look up that email from Hawk a long time ago telling me how the NST were gonna put the Outlaws out of business, you remember that one Pat, lmao.....

You have to be awake both times to prove that

Its been a couple months they should be voting in another one soon

Not to change the subject.. but can anyone actually show me a release that says the NST is out of business????

Hiatus....maybe??....this just might be the biggest and baddest move in the history of motorsport...take the competitions $$$ and TV exposure, and then pick up the pieces for free..

My origional post was only a FYI for the fans that might be considering investing their hard earned $$ into a sport they love..nothing more, nothing less, and definately not a Posse v's Mulligan post so try to get over that Mike !

 

 

It it costs DIRT $1,000 to make $1 in return they don't know what they are doing, or aren't in a profitable market. If the touring WoO end then we will have 10-12 or more great races across the nation like the Nationals, Kings Royal, etc..and Sprint car racing will continue to be mainly regional like it has been for years.

What I would do?

I would only own 1 sprint car sanction. I would not go out an buy every doorbanger sanction I could find or a bunch of tracks. I would focus the business on SPRINT CARS, nothing else. I would only have a staff of approximatly 13 people; The Owner, a Competition Director, 2 other track officials, 2 tech men, 1 Pit Steward, 1 Announcer, a Secretary, a PR person and 3 people in the merchandise trailer. That is all you need. TJ did quite well with the business for many years without a COO or CFO making a combined $300,000 a year.

Face it, the racing isn't what it was. 99% of all heats and dashes are freight trains. If there is passing, it is usually during the "A", after the track has slicked off. Most newcomers to the sport, do not like dry dusty tracks. So, there needs to be a REAL set of rules in place to promote passing. I would mandate VERY hard tires and not just on the right rear. Both rear tires would be bricks and you would have to run them both all night. I would also mandate a one engine per WEEK rule. If you blow an engine and have to switch, you start from scratch in all events until the next week. No open reds, no matter what. No fuel stops, no matter what. I would even have to take a hard look at allowing provisionals. If I did allow them, you wouldn't get near as many as what they're getting now. Shows over by 10:30pm.

If you put the "racing" back into the program to where it is no longer just a speed exhibition, the fans will come in droves and with that will also have the promoters lining up.

Sponsors will never support something that is on the verge of financial ruin. Right now, name recognition killing the WoO sponsor wise. Every potential sponsor will look at your financial performance, when they see quarter after quarter of negative cash flow, they won't even think about investing.

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My point exactly Daryl29. Any racing fan with a lick of common sense wouldn't take delight in witnessing the demise of any series from the World of Outlaws all the way down to your local Bomber class. That is of course, unless they've got a death wish for short track racing.

We just had a beautiful track in southwest Wisconsin shut their gates on the remaining weekly racing schedule. The Fox Ridge Speedway in Arcadia couldn't have been more than ten years old and it's a nice facility that hosted a WoO race back in 2003. The Ridge plans on opening up for their annual fall season ending race "Thunder at the Ridge" but they're not making a go of it with their weekly show in spite of having Chris Stepan, one of the best young racing promoters and announcers in the upper Midwest working there.

My favorite class is the Sprints and I'm 3 1/2 hours from the Ridge so I don't get there often but I still take no delight in the demise of any track or series. No real racing fan would jump on any negative racing press.

I'm concerned about the amount of management this organization has and the track purchases and other series being lumped together with the Sprints but I'll leave those issues to the people in charge and continue to support them. Regardless of where you're located or what series is your favorite the demise of the WoO would have a ripple effect through all short track racing.

Stan Meissner

It's not about ego or any "need". It is about looking at what a company is doing and being able to actually see what is happening. You people are acting like it is my fault, just because I saw through the smoke and mirrors. If DIRT is the current barometer of the health of sprint car racing, God help us all. But the fact is this. Sprint cars did quite fine and was able to support quite a number of "outlaws" before the WoO came along, and the sport will do just fine if or when they're gone.

Member of this message board since 1997

Ted weathered many storms as World of Outlaws president, though none so formidable as the deadly disease. Once detected, people prepared for the inevitable but Ted, true to his nature, did not go gently. He lost a lung, yet won three previous bouts. Racers joked how he was just too mean to die. He proved them wrong one more time.

Johnson was voted Most Influential Person by an impromptu poll in 1991 and every year through 2001, when he began accelerating sale of his empire.

It was born in 1978, though he made deals before that. Initially, the former china saleman was to serve as something of an agent to wandering rogues like Bobby Allen and Rick Ferkel, negotiating appearance fees, or selling T-shirts as that business began.

In 1976 and ’77, Johnson leased Louisiana’s Boothill Speedway for March weekends. April ’77 saw him do likewise with Lincoln Speedway in the heart of what was unofficially, the world of outlaws.

During that ’77 season, any given Saturday saw Allen and Steve Smith from Florida; an encore by Kansas City’s Kenny Weld; Jim Edwards of Los Angeles; and Steve Siegel, who was the new kid that had followed Dub and Van May in from El Paso.

I was 13 when dad took me to Ted’s momentous Lincoln program. It was unclear to me how he had done it, but this Ted Johnson coaxed South Dakota’s Doug Wolfgang, Tennessee’s Sammy Swindell, Oklahoma’s Shane Carson, Chuck Amati of Illinois, and Robert Smith up from Florida. We had never seen any of these people.

That was the night Ohio’s Fred Linder told my father that he did not hesitate to travel anywhere that was less than 15 hours away. “Anything more than that,” Fred said, “and we really do have to think about it.” Father was floored.

Johnson’s program at Lincoln listed Friday qualifying and Saturday races: first with wings, and then without. Either way, track regulars kicked outlaw ass, beginning the “Us v.s Them” attitude that prevails in Pennsylvania today.

"Death of a Saleman"

 
 
 
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I need to look up that email from Hawk a long time ago telling me how the NST were gonna put the Outlaws out of business, you remember that one Pat, lmao.....

Yes, I was wrong. The WoO do not need the NST to put them out of business, they're doing a fine job of it on their own. BUT, you can sure help them by going out and supporting them by purchasing some of that $1.00 stock!

Member of this message board since 1997

keep parroting your candian mascot...every one of my achievements have generated positive cash flow...as opposed daily operating shortfalls mounting in the millions.

the Canadian HS team may not have beaten the NFL...but the POSSE has swept the WoO podium...and certain Posse fans have swept gypsies and vagabonds across the border.

nothing new under the sun...check out Hoseheads recent article about the sore subject of locals beating the outlaws....OUCH!

2 weeks ago nelligan claimed to be having "visions"...now it has turned to "delusions".

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

I, along with most others get NO satisfaction out of seeing something that has been the benchmark of sprint car racing (winged variety) fail, no matter what the name is or will be. This organization has provided more memories for more sprint car fans for more years the numbers are too great to count. Wishing them failure or gloating over a potential demise reflects more on a pathetic person than on the organization itself. Is it anger or jealousy by the nay sayers, I think it's pretty obvious. Every ladder needs a top rung and a top draw and the sprint car world will suffer if there is not a top notch series, trust me.

I doubt all is not lost and I am sure there are more than one group ready to put down some nice $$$$$ to maintain the norm. I hope for everyone's sake that things continue along, there is a lot of hopes and dreams along with jobs tied up among 25 or so wandering minstrels so to speak, I wish them all well. Take It Easy......

its neither...it is a reasonable reading of their own federal filings. reasonable is something that may be foreign to you...

satifaction could result from a responsible party in charge. responsibility is something that may be foreign to you...

success could possibly result from a sound business plan with profit anywhere on the horizon.

i heard a rumor that media types were offered stock at a insider meeting at Kville when Ted sold the farm. who bought in at the initial offering price? how is the new stock price working out for you?

MSPN gloats in this very thread over the cessation of activity by the NST...the very top name drivers who were needed to return the series to a full field. back pedal away...

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

so if the woo folds and is no more would that make you happy. do you keep tabs on universal studios and king entertainment or paramount pictures or any other of your entertainment venues, tracking their every dollar to evaluate their financial situation. do you keep tabs on the local tv stations and movie theaters? do you check the stock of the amusement park before you buy a ticket? the americam auto makers are in deep crap but people continue to rush out and buy their cars.the airlines are in trouble yet people buy their tickets.and if the woo does flop then maybe we can finally have the kind of local racing in other areas of the country that PA now braggs about. remember.. there were sprintcar outlaws long before there were outlaw sprint cars. rest assured, we will race.

The absurdity is, the World of Outlaws sprint cars on track have never been stronger. 26 cars travelling, big purses, good competition (and once and for all, passing 11 cars at the Grove for the lead is not the same as passing even 5 cars on the Outlaw trail). Not sure what pointing out financial news does for you, unless you have a business model that works better? I doubt it, but it was worth a shot.

makes those two boys feel like grown men lol lol lol

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My own concerns are for the tracks !!

There are a lot of tracks across the USA that NEED a WOO show to show a profit for the year.

Now suppose they have already paid a sanction fee for this year...the WOO folds and they are left with nothing ??? What then ??? They can't afford another sanction fee for a revamped NST....What will happen to the weekly racers if this happens ??

Wake up people.... as sad as this sounds...and I hope I am wrong...This has the potential to hurt a lot of people.

I will not shut my eyes to it, click my heals three times and hope it all turns out OK like some people. Facts are facts...bullshit is bullshit and negative working capital sinks companies !

i have more faith in the drivers than any of these organizations that have bled the sport for decades.

if you (duane, mulligan and resident peanut gallery) want to shoot the messenger...maybe you could get your head out of each others butts and take aim at the systematic nonsense that has prepetuated the slide to the current condition.

keep in mind these documents are not computer generated images or blurry legacy photos stuck into $3 frames from walmart...they are the direct byproduct of the people "leading the sport" as you say.

basic reading and comprehension skills are at an alltime low here...led by the usual suspects.

btw: 2 NASCRAP drivers roll into the Grove and wreck their 360s on Lap 1 in front of a crowd almost equal to a full price sanctioned WoO race in May...parity or parody...you make the call.

John K: we are waiting to hear your solution. post it here...i am too busy going to races right now to wait for radio shows.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

and by splashing this info all over our computor screens you serve what purpose? the answer to that appears to be an onslought of negativity by those who have their own agenda to propagate. the financial workings of Dirt are not a highly guarded secret. it is not like you are bringing up something that is an unknown. we have too many Paul Revears running around sounding the alarm as it is. so instead of letting the people who's job it is handle the situation, people like you take it upon themselves to sound the gong and cry "look here look here". i know this is a sprint forum and the post is by all means sprint related, and may even be of importance. the thing is the post just gives the same people that look for a chance to slam the series and rock on their heels and crow more of a reason to do so. like they really need the encouragement. wtf....? got to go. my soapbox is starting to collapse. lol.