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Again I think everyone is making too big of a deal about the whole thing. He will serve his suspension and get another ride. Life goes on and it will eventually be mostly forgotten.

Kind of agree.  But, there are multiple layers and degrees of cheating.

For example: 

1. David Gravel was caught "cheating" last month after he weighed in 6 lbs. under weight.  The rule is the car and the driver must weight 1400 lbs. at the end of the race.  Simple penalty with loss of points/purse, end of story.  No malicious intent, was simply gambling on fuel and weight and lost the gamble.  No reason for suspension.

2. A guy who reads the rule book from front to back and then says "if it's not in the book, it can't get me a penalty" will try anything on a car that there isn't yet a rule about.  Officials see it, outlaw it, and it's not done again.  Examples Sammy Swindell with his independent suspension and Ray Evernham on about every car he built at Hendrick Motorsports.  Sammy and Ray weren't cheating, they just found loopholes in the rules and pushed those loopholes until the rule was re-written.  No cause for suspension here either.  

3.  A guy who attempts to pass a chassis in pre-race inspection at Knoxville in June.  Chassis fails inspection due to thinner than allowed tubing.  At this point, this is not a huge deal.  Chassis is rejected, and driver competes in events using a previously inspected/ok'd chassis.  No reason for suspension.

4.  The guy from example 3 takes that previously rejected chassis out of storage, paints it to hide its true identity, carefully removes a sticker from another accepted chassis, and knowingly places sticker on said rejected chassis-------this is grounds for suspension. 

Cheating is not cheating.  There are many different levels.  

Roth has fired every driver he ever has had.  Aaron just got fired 2 months sooner than he would have.

He will finish the year for RSR and then start next year before burning himself out of that ride as well. It's how he operates, history always repeats itself 

I think car and driver must weigh 1425 this year.  Gravel was not cheating.  Crew and driver know they have to weigh in at end of race.  You have no idea when you go out on track how many yellow flags you will have that burns up feul.  You go out with new tires and come in with worn to bald tirs.  These tires lost weight.  If a driver does not hydrate enough he will lose several pounds of weight.  I have on a hot day lost 3-4 pounds just setting on a chair and watching the crew work.  Gravel did not cheat, crew just needed 1 more gallon of fuel in tank.

I think car and driver must weigh 1425 this year.  Gravel was not cheating.  Crew and driver know they have to weigh in at end of race.  You have no idea when you go out on track how many yellow flags you will have that burns up feul.  You go out with new tires and come in with worn to bald tirs.  These tires lost weight.  If a driver does not hydrate enough he will lose several pounds of weight.  I have on a hot day lost 3-4 pounds just setting on a chair and watching the crew work.  Gravel did not cheat, crew just needed 1 more gallon of fuel in tank.

Again I think everyone is making too big of a deal about the whole thing. He will serve his suspension and get another ride. Life goes on and it will eventually be mostly forgotten.

Not on this Forum it won't be forgotten!! LOL

Being light at the scales isn't cheating, but throwing a 30 lb weight onto  the car before you get to the scales is.

Name someone that threw 30 lbs in car before scales.  Most tracks are smarter then that and do not let crews near  car till after scaled,  

I'm not going to name names, because most hosehead posters would howl in outrage if I did.  I would be labeled a liar and public enemy number one for defamation of character.  A series official was fired for pointing out the offense as it happened..

I'm not going to name names, because most hosehead posters would howl in outrage if I did.  I would be labeled a liar and public enemy number one for defamation of character.  A series official was fired for pointing out the offense as it happened..

They protect their favorites without a doubt ! 
Prime example, last night Kahne jumps the start in the heat race. WoO officials calls it back because they didn't like something. Restart with no jumping penalty for Kahne. 

The only obvious examples of them protecting their own is allowing more time in the work area. A couple of times last year, Sweet was given much more than 2 minutes to make repairs. I've seen many examples of outlaws getting penalized on starts, obviously Gravel losing out on a big payday due to weight, Reutzel getting suspended. 

As has been pointed out numerous times, there is no maximum time in the work area..................................only a guaranteed minimum of 2 minutes during the first half of the race.  There has never been anything stating a maximum amount of time allowed, unless I missed something.  

It's irrelevant whether it's a minimum of maximum, if you give more time to your champ to fix his car than his competitors, it's an advantage. I don't think it happens often; but that's the example I can point to of actual favoritism being shown to platinum guys.

Being light at the scales isn't cheating, but throwing a 30 lb weight onto  the car before you get to the scales is.

It's irrelevant whether it's a minimum of maximum, if you give more time to your champ to fix his car than his competitors, it's an advantage. I don't think it happens often; but that's the example I can point to of actual favoritism being shown to platinum guys.

I'm not going to name names, because most hosehead posters would howl in outrage if I did.  I would be labeled a liar and public enemy number one for defamation of character.  A series official was fired for pointing out the offense as it happened..